Warren Co. schools to lose accreditation

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The Warren County School System has received notice it will lose its accreditation from the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Council on Accreditation and School Improvement.

School Superintendent Carol Jean Carey was unavailable for an interview, but confirmed the news via telephone.

Jennifer Oliver, SACS vice president of communications, said a four-member team visited Warren County in June, 2009 to investigate complaints of the governance and leadership of the Warren County Board of Education.

Prior to their arrival in Warrenton, the team had requested and viewed copies of minutes and videos of the school board meetings.

The school system was put on probation as a result of that investigation, and given nine recommendations "to resolve and make significant progress on" by November, when another team would return for a follow-up visit.

"The team that visited them in November felt that they had not made significant progress, and in some cases, they made no progress," Ms. Oliver said. "So the team felt the school system should not retain their accreditation."

The date of the dropped accreditation is delayed until July 30, 2010, Ms. Oliver said, so that students set to graduate at the end of this school year will not be affected.

Ms. Oliver said accreditation is voluntary among schools and systems.

"What I can tell you is there are many, many great schools around the country that are non-accredited simply because they haven’t chosen to go through the process," she said. "In the state of Georgia, it’s slightly different because the Hope Scholarship is tied to students graduating form an accredited school. So, there’s more of an emphasis in Georgia for schools to be accredited."

Ms. Oliver said she doesn’t have a scientific break-down of numbers, but some colleges and universities require students to come from an accredited school, some use it as a criteria but not a requirement, and others don’t even have it listed in their application process at all.

"So, students just really need to assess where they want to attend college, because every one of them is different."

The accreditation is being removed from Warren County, not because of academic standards, but because the school board members failed to follow policies of the district, refused to sign the district’s ethics pledge, disregarded the requirement to use Roberts Rules of Order, failed to follow the district’s charter and micromanaged the school system.

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elisavit
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elisavit 01/07/10 - 11:15 pm
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Now read this sentence

Now read this sentence carefully: "I know of a couple of those "terrible" teachers you talk about, who got fired and they were some of the best teachers I have ever seen teach....in all my years of teaching!" Does anyone here REALLY want the person who made this statement teaching his or her child??? To the author of this sentence: Were you at a loss for words or what? Who taught YOU??

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WheresTheFire 01/08/10 - 12:04 am
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"What I can tell you is there

"What I can tell you is there are many, many great schools around the country that are non-accredited simply because they haven’t chosen to go through the process," she said. "In the state of Georgia, it’s slightly different because the Hope Scholarship is tied to students graduating form an accredited school. So, there’s more of an emphasis in Georgia for schools to be accredited." .....this paragraph outlines much of what is at the center of the real issue; justification of failures rather than strong attempts to overcome them. Some things just don't attach to crap, no matter how much of a positive spin you try to give them.

alycias
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alycias 01/08/10 - 01:11 am
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To elisavit: I did not teach

To elisavit: I did not teach in the mainstream "normal" classroom for one thing, and am retired now, so you do have to worry about me "teaching" YOUR kids. If they are anything like YOU, I am glad I am retired.

alycias
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alycias 01/08/10 - 01:18 am
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The writer who said the

The writer who said the teachers are "terrible" was saying they were fired because of things they did. THEY used that term "terrible". not me. I was saying they were great teachers. I was quoting her calling them "terrible". Maybe YOU need to "read the sentence carefully" before you comment. Thank-You.

a_WCHS_Student
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a_WCHS_Student 01/08/10 - 01:41 am
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I know who you are now!! Is

I know who you are now!! Is this Miss Liberity or the AD's wife? LOL.

brin
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brin 01/08/10 - 03:49 am
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This message board should

This message board should show all of us what the real problem. That instead of Warren County looking for solutions they only want to take sides and point fingers. And the isn't a trait the is held by any particuliar race. All of them are wrong on all sides, this cannot be blamed on anyone solely because if either side would have gave in then this would not have happened. And if not for bias "newspapers" such as the "Warrenton Clipper" all the facts would be on the table. I have to call my college media relations professor's and tell them they were right bad media does destory civilizations. They were wrong now what will they do to make it right.

corgimom
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corgimom 01/08/10 - 09:57 am
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Oh, I get it, poor teachers

Oh, I get it, poor teachers are supposed to be guaranteed a job for life. "A rotten trick"? How about "adults are responsible for their own actions" and "do your job or find another job"- like everybody else? Alycias, please explore how newspaper reporters do their job. It's called "going to the courthouse" and "looking at what cases have been filed".

willienelson
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willienelson 01/08/10 - 10:32 am
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Man, it certainly is obvious

Man, it certainly is obvious by the posts here that Warren County Education is not doing a good job. Words mean things and grammar is a very helpful tool in making one's point.

thankgodforaugusta
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thankgodforaugusta 01/08/10 - 04:11 pm
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the problem is anybody who is

the problem is anybody who is worth a dam at anything does it for a living those who are either to stupid or to lazy to do anything teach which leaves the children very little chance
those who can do
those who can't teach

kab0511
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kab0511 01/08/10 - 05:02 pm
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You could have seen this

You could have seen this coming from a mile away. The Superintendent is not the issue at all. It is the school board who are slackers. They didnt do there job. Hopefully they will be REMOVED ASAP. Whats even worse is that they were warned and still sat around and did nothing. Yes they were elected but many more PEOPLE for some strange reason showed up to vote. I wonder why??????? If the Superintendent had a school board worth a dang to work with none of this would have happened. THANK YOU to the person who stated they would rather see a black child fail than have a white superintendent hit the nail on the head!!!!!!!!! They'll get whats coming to them. Maybe the Gov.

justiceforall4
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justiceforall4 01/08/10 - 05:23 pm
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This is just crazy. Everyone

This is just crazy. Everyone who has any common sense at all know that the board of Education is elected to make policies and the Superintendent is hired to put procedures in place based on the policies put in place by the BOE. The code of ethnics is a POLICY and should be put in the place by the Board of Education NOT the Superintendent. I do not blame the board one bit for not signing a policy (giving the Superintendent too much power) that was put in place by the prior board. You guys need to learn the fact and then speak your mind. Maybe thankgodforaugusta is too ignorant to research fact or maybe he just listened to kab0511.

standup
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standup 01/08/10 - 05:29 pm
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These are facts: Prior to

These are facts: Prior to Mrs. Carey becoming Superintendent, the school system was led by one of these new board members. It was failing school system operating in the red with minimal certified teachers. Under her leadership, the school received numerous awards, began operating in the black, have certified teachers, was recognized on national TV shows, obtained numerous grants including $3million to develop a Career Academy in the County. These new board members are causing the following: loss of the Career Academy for students, loss of dual enrollment classes for students, loss of students receiving HOPE, and having no accreditation.

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ccwc4 01/08/10 - 05:59 pm
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Have any of you posting here

Have any of you posting here actually read the SACS report? If so, you would realize exactly why this system is loosing accreditation. It is very clearly stated. The Board members violated the rules. They know this from seeing the meetings, reading the minutes, and personal interviews with Board and community members. Please get your facts straight. This is a thriving school system that has seen gains in student achievement under Ms. Carey and the current, and recently former, teachers. It is even stated in the report that this is not a reflection of the teachers or the students.

You can also be assured that the teachers in the Warren County school system are outraged. The teachers do not feel that it is appropriate to punish the students for the actions of a few board members. However, because they are in violation of the rules, this is what has, or will, happen.

Finally, the fact is that regardless of race, education level, gender, or age a few Board members have hurt the futures of the students of Warren County. Thankfully, SACS was kind enough to delay the loss of accreditation so the class of 2010 will not be hurt.

justiceforall4
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justiceforall4 01/08/10 - 07:20 pm
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I'm sorry if I offended you

I'm sorry if I offended you guys but after researching the facts, Warren County is currently operating out of a deficit. They have recently lost the 21st century grant and no schools made Adequate Yearly progress (AYP). So I do not know where your information is coming from but this information is on the Georgia Department of Education webpage (AYP Report) and the Department of Audit website (Financial Statements and Audit Report). Also Warren County High School hasn't made AYP since Ms Carey became Superintendent. Again I say please research the facts first.

ccwc4
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ccwc4 01/08/10 - 08:06 pm
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The Warren County system does

The Warren County system does have the 21st century grant again this year. The grant ran out at the end of the 07/08 school year, and the system received it back this year. As for making AYP, the only WC school that has not made AYP is the high school. The elementary school has made it for the past seven years. I have personal ties with the school systems in this area, and I have had children who attended WC schools.

furiousmother
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furiousmother 01/08/10 - 08:17 pm
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Any Superintendent who puts

Any Superintendent who puts our children education in jeopardy, to have her way should be fired immediately.

Parents get the facts before jumping to conclusion.

Let this be an wake up call that we need to be involved in our children education.

justiceforall4
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justiceforall4 01/08/10 - 10:54 pm
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I also have ties with the

I also have ties with the GADOE and have kids in the school system, the 21st century grant is awards for three years and the grant did not run out it was miss managed therefore it was awarded to another school system according to state auditors. Also if you can read I said Warren County High School has not made AYP since Ms. Carey became Superintendent. Again thanks for twisting the facts.

ccwc4
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ccwc4 01/09/10 - 11:43 am
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To justiceforall4, please

To justiceforall4, please read the quote from your post below.

"They have recently lost the 21st century grant and no schools made Adequate Yearly progress (AYP)."

Therefore, you twisted the facts, not me. Again, to everyone posting here, please actually READ the SACS report. Most of the conversations on here are based on personal opinions and agendas, not the facts. This is there very thing that caused this problem to begin with.

justiceforall4
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justiceforall4 01/09/10 - 12:47 pm
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To ccwc4 what Superintendent

To ccwc4 what Superintendent in their right mind that actually care about the students of Warren County Schools would call SACS in just because they can't have their way they use to with the old board. Because remember this is all about the boys and girls of Warren County not the Superintendent or the BOE. This conflict should have stayed between the walls of Warren County not the state of GA. But I forgot she is close to retiring so she just came to Warren to kill, steal, and destroy and then go back to Columbia County with her family and friends and laugh about this along with yourself. Now these all the true facts LOOK THEM UP DUMMY!

corgimom
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corgimom 01/09/10 - 07:32 pm
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Maybe because the

Maybe because the Superintendent isn't about to get blamed for other people's behavior? Maybe because it's required? Maybe adults are responsible for what they do, and the Board of Education members are responsible for what they do? If they weren't doing anything wrong, then they wouldn't lose accreditation, would they? Maybe she has legal responsibilities as the Superintendent? And I question the intelligence of someone who would publicly accuse someone of killing and stealing- when there is no evidence of that. Guess what, school boards are bound by the laws of the State of Georgia, its not a fiefdom.

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ynkyrnr 01/10/10 - 12:50 pm
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I worked there....years

I worked there....years ago...the majority of students and faculty are more concerned about their future and not this petty "gotcha" mentality. Race is often used as a tool to push the agenda sadly by those caught up in the past. Those kids deserve better. All the gains made are at risk by this nonsense. Drop the egos (everyone) and focus on making what I still know to be a wonderful school system evern better...for everyone. Learn from the past...don't repeat it!!!!!!! Go Scream'n Devils!!!

jaschild
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jaschild 01/10/10 - 05:24 pm
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i remember when Carol Jean

i remember when Carol Jean Carey worked for the Columbia COunty School System, does anyone else?

justiceforall4
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justiceforall4 01/10/10 - 10:39 pm
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To corgimom, maybe it's

To corgimom, maybe it's because she is a selfish, proudful, devishless women who just wanted her way so she called SACS in no matter what the consequences would be. Because no matter how you try to defend her both her and the BOE should have put their EGOS aside because this hurted the boys and girls of WC.

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danny_boy 01/11/10 - 02:34 pm
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I worked in the Warren County

I worked in the Warren County School System for 23 years, as a high school teacher, high school administrator, and system administrator. I have seen many changes--good, bad, and ugly--take place over that time period. I too thought things would improve under Carey as superintendent, but boy was I wrong. She couldn't wait to get rid of those who wouldn't kowtow to her and replace them with cronies from Columbia County. Her salary is obscene--over $110,000 which works out to $167 per student. She insists on keeping 2 part-time assistant superintendents when 1 full-time would be so much more cost effective. When appointed, she promised the board she would not recommend personnel who did not have proper certification. It didn't take her long to break that promise so she could hire a elementary teacher as assistant principal and a former high school principal as librarian. Since the board members who at one time were wrapped around her finger are gone, she has butted heads with the current board over a number of issues. I think the community needs to recall the entire board, seek Carey's resignation, and start from scratch. Maybe the state can come in and take over.

danny_boy
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danny_boy 01/11/10 - 02:45 pm
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I firmly believe that the

I firmly believe that the level of degree a person holds has nothing at all to do with their competence as an educator. I have worked with many teachers who had "only" a Bachelor's and they were some of the best and most effective teachers I have seen. I have also worked with teachers and administrators who had the alphabet strung after their name and they were boring and ineffective drones who had no place trying to teach children or run an education system. One teacher that was loved by the children had a doctorate from a foreign country and was one of the worst teachers in the system. He couldn't communicate the subject matter in a way the students could understand and his classroom management was a joke. The students "loved" him because no one failed his classes. His grades were seemingly drawn at random from numbers in a sock. Some very effective teachers were not given the support they needed and left Warren County to become Teacher of the Year in other systems. The community cries "Why can't we get local people hired to teach our children?" It's called certification, people--without it no system should hire you!

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danny_boy 01/11/10 - 02:53 pm
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What it boils down to is the

What it boils down to is the voters of Warren County have no one to blame but themselves for the loss of certification. Granted they are presented with a limited slate of BOE candidates, but to elect the 3 they did in the last election was the making of a disaster. A former superintendent who ran the system into the ground academically and financially during his tenure; a former high school teacher who couldn't stand having lower achieving students in her classes and is a racist (yes, Virginia, there is such a thing as a black racist); a former elementary teacher who couldn't hack it in the classroom; put them together as a majority on the board and what do you expect? My hat is off to Gwen Tucker, former Board chair, for hanging in there all these years, trying her hardest to go against the tide and fight for what is right. Why would Board members not want to sign on to and abide by a code of ethics? Is it because certain ones know they would be the ones called out by failing to do so? Why do they protect each other at the cost of the students? Are their personal agendas so precious that they would destroy the school system just to have their own way?

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gadawg87 01/14/10 - 02:02 am
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danny_boy
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danny_boy 01/14/10 - 12:22 pm
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An Atlanta

An Atlanta Journal-Constitution blog page--yes sir, that's a real source of "facts". "We can't send a reporter to Warren County because it's two hours away." Gee, that's almost the other side of the planet! Who cares what the people in Atlanta think; they have their own mess with the Clayton County situation.

danny_boy
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danny_boy 01/14/10 - 12:39 pm
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One of the biggest problems

One of the biggest problems is that Carey bit off more than she could chew in terms of accreditation. Until her arrival, Warren County was accredited by the Georgia Accrediting Commission (http://www.coe.uga.edu/gac/). This wasn't good enough for her, and she wanted SACS accreditation. In her mind, GAC is like a blue ribbon and SACS is like a gold star. The only problem is SACS has much more strict requirements that it should have been obvious there was no way the Warren County BOE could live up to them. Maybe it's time to drop back and punt, and try for GAC accreditation again. Perhaps that will help regain some type of accreditation in time for next school year.

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ynkyrnr 01/14/10 - 02:27 pm
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the system needs to focus on

the system needs to focus on the kids not the gotcha stuff it seems to always fall back into......when mcdonald was at the h.s. things were heading in the right direction....what happened after he left?

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