11 in custody after officers respond to fight at Josey High

Wednesday, Jan. 6, 2010 11:29 AM
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Richmond County Board of Education officers responded this morning to a fight between 17 students at Josey High School that resulted in one student receiving minor injuries.

The fight began at about 9:30 a.m. and was brought under control before 10 a.m. Eleven students age 17 or older were arrested and will be charged with disorderly conduct, said school spokesman Louis Svehla. Officials have said other charges are pending an investigation.

Six juveniles also were charged in the fight and released to their parents. They'll later face a tribunal as will the older students arrested.

Josey Principal Ronald Wiggins said another five to six students who were watching the fight and helping escalate matters will be suspended and possibly face a tribunal. The one student injured was punched in the face and was treated at the school.

Dr. Wiggins said the fight occurred based on an argument among two groups of students over a previous incident in which someone put chalk on a female student's clothes. He said it stemmed from outside the school setting, noting that overall for the school year today's incident was the only fight involving several students.

He said the fight shouldn't cast a bad light on Josey, adding that in the past two years discipline cases there have dropped dramatically. In December, he said, the school received a commendation from the Georgia Department of Education for keeping such cases down in the past year and a half.

"Incidents such as this, while not truly indicative of the quality of our students and staff, persist and spring from community-related events," Dr. Wiggins said, adding "...this is an isolated incident."

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Asitisinaug
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Asitisinaug 01/06/10 - 06:14 pm
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Of course discipline cases

Of course discipline cases have dropped within the school. When the administration chooses to ignore the obvious problems and fails to properly document incidnets until they reach this magnitude they actually haven't declined just the reporting and properly handling of them have.

Roeschen
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Roeschen 01/06/10 - 06:15 pm
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lilrowe - Only in Richmond

lilrowe - Only in Richmond County would you be graduating with distinction. Your command of English is deplorable. "african american SENiOR at Josey that" - do you mean who will be graduating? However, I expect nothing more from the students in Richmond County. Most cannot pronounce the word "the".

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Fiat_Lux 01/06/10 - 06:49 pm
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Give it break guys. This is

Give it break guys. This is just a waste of time. Kids are stupid and those full of testosterone have to really work hard to think with the head on their shoulders. It's too bad they didn't use more restraint, but posturing and the demands to be respected in the RB public high school population pretty much assures things like this are going to happen sometimes. It's to the great credit of faculty and administrators at Josey that this has become so rare an event. It would be wonderful if all our schools were like Westminster, Augusta Christian and Augusta Prep, but for a significant number of parents in Augusta, their kids education is just not their priority. And even for those who care deeply and do all they can while being forced to send their kids to tough schools, it's an up-hill battle to protect their children's hearts and minds, not to mention their purity. God bless and protect them all, for that's what they need.

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Dan White 01/06/10 - 07:21 pm
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You gotta love the spin the

You gotta love the spin the principal put on this riot. "Incidents such as this, while not truly indicative of the quality of our students and staff, persist and spring from community-related events," Dr. Wiggins said, adding "...this is an isolated incident." Yea, right! I bet these kids involved had disciplinary referrals in their records coming out the wazoo.

coolchic
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coolchic 01/06/10 - 07:26 pm
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Well, bottom line is that I

Well, bottom line is that I hope that the kids who have behavioral problems such as fights, violence, etc get help before the offenses escalate into criminal behavior. I've seen kids do very well in the Youth Challenge program at Fort Gordon. I like the expression "listen to the whisper before you get a brick in the head". But if it takes the brick, hopefully it will straighten you out!

JustMe
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JustMe 01/06/10 - 07:34 pm
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LLR...you just don't get it.

LLR...you just don't get it. You seem so worried about your tax money. Well, take those same kids, put them in jail and you nwill be paying 4 to 8 times more for them. I would much rather pay less and try to help the troubled ones become productive adults. Make parents be parents??? Do you want the job of going to their house and making them be parents. Unfortunately there is no way to make parents be parents.

KSL
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KSL 01/06/10 - 07:38 pm
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Just curious, why did this

Just curious, why did this incident happen at 9:30 AM? Admittedly it has been a long time since I had kids in school. But who has time to start a riot during class change? And of course the fight shouldn't cast a bad light on Josey. It should only cast a bad light on the parents of the students involved and the students themselves.

Farfromhome
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Farfromhome 01/06/10 - 07:39 pm
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a) Lifelong I am a doctoral

a) Lifelong I am a doctoral student in education at a tier 1 university. So my blame is definitely not on "the man". The entire educational system is broken.

b) Do you know how illegal it would be for all PUBLIC schools to give a test to kids to go to the program?

c) Behavioral contracting is great, but the way you are looking at it is from a view point where kids would be kicked out for violating the rules. Why have a reactionary view of education and discipline? Why not be proactive? Your view of discipline is pretty antiquated, like I said instead of researching numbers and comparing them to a homogeneous educational group go look up the actual current primary literature on FIXING the problem. Davidson/Johnson are always going to be high achieving schools because of the TEST to get in. Additionally the parents are going to be more involved, who do you think encourages the kids to take the test?

d) As for throwing money at a problem, those costs could be cut from other areas (other than sports) if you look hard enough.

KSL
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KSL 01/06/10 - 07:40 pm
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Stop paying for teenagers to

Stop paying for teenagers to procreate. In today's society, they are not ready for parenting.

KSL
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KSL 01/06/10 - 07:43 pm
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So exactly how to you propose

So exactly how to you propose to "fix" the problem?

Discussionstarter
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Discussionstarter 01/06/10 - 07:46 pm
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Everyone of these kids should

Everyone of these kids should be sentenced to community service [i.e. picking up trash, etc] for the next 26 weekends.

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corgimom 01/06/10 - 08:01 pm
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When 22-23 students are

When 22-23 students are arrested, I don't call that a fight, I call that a riot.

Fiat_Lux
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Fiat_Lux 01/06/10 - 08:04 pm
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I agree, corgi.

I agree, corgi.

KSL
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KSL 01/06/10 - 08:10 pm
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Those students definitely

Those students definitely need to feel a pinch. They need to know that kind of behavior will not be tolerated.

naturehazard
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naturehazard 01/06/10 - 08:39 pm
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The article says eleven were

The article says eleven were arrested.

scoobynews
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scoobynews 01/06/10 - 08:49 pm
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First of all to pirate -

First of all to pirate - Social promation is not supported by many of the teachers I know. That is an administrative call and a BOE call. Many of us are not for it and thinks it does nothing but give children a false sense of security. Just like the nothing below a 60 report card farce. The logic behind that is they will have nothing to work or no hope if their average the first semester is below a 40. Well then maybe you should have done some work and your average would not be a 40. To all the English Teachers in Training - GIVE IT A REST! This is an INFORMAL place were people come to post their thoughts. Many of us have a very good command of the English language both orally and written but do not feel like we should have to be "graded" or "degraded" because you have some kind of RED pen fetish - get over it already! Loosen up and take the corn cob out for a change!

KSL
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KSL 01/06/10 - 09:22 pm
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scooby, it does always help

scooby, it does always help your credibility here if you sound somewhat literate and can express yourself that way. We all make typos because we type faster than our brains allow us to type correctly. But we can at least expect to see some corrections of egregious mistakes. If not, how do we evaluate the comments? Are they made by illiterates? I came along when 3 typos made on a typewriter immediately took your grade down from an A to a B. Typos. We lived with it, survived and excelled.

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Patty-P 01/06/10 - 09:36 pm
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Teachers and parents are

Teachers and parents are equally responsible for the education of students. The schools who havn't met AYP have definitely lowered standards in this county.

sassygirl12
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sassygirl12 01/06/10 - 09:38 pm
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let the fools fight it out.i

let the fools fight it out.i be darn if i would be breaking up any kind of fight between anyone..to dangerous..its not fists anymore. its guns. knives, and whatever else they find fit to pull out..let em battle it out and let the best man win. or should i say " gang "

alycias
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alycias 01/06/10 - 10:10 pm
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I agree with "99 problems".

I agree with "99 problems". ..and "lifelong resident". As a previous teacher in Richmond County-worked there for over 4 yrs, and lastly as a tutor at Josey--for some of those students you all are talking about: MY personal experience are that these students are no different than most of the other students I have been around, I taught at a high school elsewhere and also several middle schools. The Josey students I encountered were very polite, tried hard, most were eager to learn, and I was proud of them. I also did not ever see any fighting among any of them. They were respectful good kids. And friendly on the grounds outside the school as well as inside in the halls--always smiling and saying hello. And not that it makes any difference to ME, ( may be surprising to some others out there)- but the majority there were black and I am white.

fd1962
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fd1962 01/06/10 - 10:11 pm
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Right, sassy. You have to
Unpublished

Right, sassy. You have to ask yourself, "What would Crocodile Dundee have done?"

alycias
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alycias 01/06/10 - 10:14 pm
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P.S. Aside from what some of

P.S. Aside from what some of you out there think, Josey and all of Richmond County Schools has some very good, very dedicated teachers! I worked with them and I saw first hand. I also have a child of my own who attended Richmond Academy and I can tell you that is also an excellent school with excellent dedicated teachers who love the kids!!

Farfromhome
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Farfromhome 01/06/10 - 10:16 pm
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KSL: There are successful

KSL: There are successful programs like Positive Behavior Intervention Systems (PBIS) that have been shown to be effective at reducing school related problems. PALS and Direct Instruction for improving reading proficiency. While they aren't necessarily the be all end all they do have a fair amount of scientific support and are worth a try. They aren't touchy feely strategies and do require a fair amount of work to implement,They are more proactive strategies than expulsion or corporal punishment. Why wait for a problem to happen when you could potentially prevent it instead.

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jaschild 01/06/10 - 10:31 pm
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there have been fights at

there have been fights at schools since the advent of public education. i think white / black / rich / poor will inevitably find a reason to show muscle from time-to-time (even if chalk on an outfit seems ridiculous). stupid to do it at school now since the sheriffs get involved.

mieshel
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mieshel 01/06/10 - 10:37 pm
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WOW! Great job alycias!!!!!!

WOW! Great job alycias!!!!!!

alycias
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alycias 01/06/10 - 10:38 pm
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You have to consider where a

You have to consider where a lot of these students in that area ( of Josey) are coming from and how some or many are living--the home and family conditions etc. The teachers may need to be a little more understanding and work a little harder to help some of these students. It can be dangerous in some areas--but for teachers who really want to help and make a difference in the kids lives, ( and after all, thats why most teachers go into teaching in the first place!), the possibility of violence happening is not so scary compared to the joy of seeing the students learn and grow! Yes, I too have seen some behavior programs used that did help greatly, though they do take a lot of effort and time to implement. They end up being well worth it! But the families have to work very closely with the schools and be there for their kids. Absent parents only make the whole problem worse! It can take several yrs. for the programs to work sucessfully. But schools can make an about face and change considerably for the better!

alycias
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alycias 01/06/10 - 10:53 pm
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Fiat Lux: WE all know that

Fiat Lux: WE all know that some parents don't make their child's education a priority, but you know, honestly ...as a previous teacher, what I saw over the 10 yrs. I taught was that approximately 80-90% of the parents DID show that they cared! And probably many of the the other 10-20% were very busy working just to keep a roof over their heads-( which you have to give them a lot of credit for). Some of THOSE 10-20% would call me or come by and say they wanted badly to be at the meeting or to help more with their child's homework, but they had to work 2 jobs or were a single parent, or the child's real parent was not living, etc...sometimes the child lived with a relative and they were elderly and couldn't help much. And please remember that not many families have the money to put the kids in private schools. My brother has been very fortunate to keep all 4 of his in private schools, but struggles to do so, financially. I never had the money to even consider that an alternative with my own children.

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 01/06/10 - 11:23 pm
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Political Correctness has

Political Correctness has destroyed our educational system the same way our government and country has been destroyed. Face the truth and bring back the ruler of the 40's & 50's. All comments, opinions and recommendations are doing nothing but falling on deaf ears.

Martinez
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Martinez 01/06/10 - 11:28 pm
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My child attended an inner

My child attended an inner city school and came home with daily reports of fights, not one, not two, often a half dozen or more. It was nothing to have the lunch room cleared or be on lock down while incidents such as these were resolved. He is now in a CC school. He has not seen a single fight in the last year and only heard of 3 small incidents that were quickly resolved and involved only two people each time. No tolerance policies seems to be the biggest difference. First offense provides 5 days in school, 5 days out of school suspension. Second offense, alternative school. The other difference, kids with actively involved parents who set clear expectations about education and themselves resolve conflicts peacefully are less likely to risk expulsion for a temper tantrum.

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