Gay rights advocates to protest SC date violence bill

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COLUMBIA — Gay rights advocates are protesting the exclusion of gay and lesbian relationships from a South Carolina bill meant to curb teen dating violence.

Democratic Reps. Gilda Cobb-Hunter of Orangeburg and Ken Kennedy of Greeleyville are among those criticizing last week's vote in the House to bar any mention of gays from the proposed program for middle and high school students.

They plan to join members of the South Carolina Progressive Network and the local chapter of Parents, Family and Friends of Lesbians and Gays on Tuesday to protest the amended bill. It requires another vote before moving to the Senate.

Republican Greg Delleney of Chester said he pushed for the change because he believes it would lead to school officials teaching children about same-sex relationships.

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APiratesLife4Me
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APiratesLife4Me 05/19/09 - 08:52 am
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Greg Delleney deserves a

Greg Delleney deserves a medal for his work. THANKS Greg !! Kids have a tough time in school as it is. They don't need nor deserve this warped up lifestyle being forced on them.

BarstoolDreamer
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BarstoolDreamer 05/19/09 - 08:56 am
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If they are gay it is not

If they are gay it is not being "forced" on them.

Frank I
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Frank I 05/19/09 - 09:11 am
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the fact that it

the fact that it discriminates against gay and lesbian relationships not only "exposes" the children to those types of relationships, it teaches them to segregate them as second class citizens.. I've got a great idea, let's not expose them to same sex relationships, let's teach them how to be bigots

TakeAstand
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TakeAstand 05/19/09 - 09:24 am
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I second part of that last

I second part of that last sentence Frank! And totally agree with APirate. Not condoning is not the same as hating. The stupidest thing I have ever heard was a few years back when they were trying to get a required gay acceptance class in the elementary schools. I don't have to teach my kids hate to teach them we believe something is wrong or immoral. Just like if you have a family member on drugs, you can teach your kids thats not the right thing to do but they can still love that person. And we shouldnt have to explain and make excuses to our 5 year old as to why 2 men are kissing in the park!! Keep it at home if you do not want the negative attention!! I'll tell my kids its wrong until the day I die, but if they become gay, I'll accept it and love them just as much, just as I will tell them drugs are wrong to the day I die but if they become an addict I'll still love them just as much. You can disapprove or be intolerant of something and not want to be exposed to it without hatrid!!! Just as they should have the right to be gay, we should have the right choose not to expose our children to it without being condemned for it!!

HotFoot
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HotFoot 05/19/09 - 09:33 am
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TakeAstand, why shouldn't you

TakeAstand, why shouldn't you have to explain why two men are kissing in the park...I'm sure you've got to explain the same thing for a straight couple engaged in a PSA. What if you see someone wearing a turban and bowing to Mecca...or a yarmulke and peyas...or a monk's robe...don't you feel the need to explain THAT? The fact is, you DO NOT HAVE THE "RIGHT" to choose not to "expose" your children to cultures that differ from your own--not if that means infringing on others' right to simply "be" and live as you live (kissing in the park and all).

Frank I
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Frank I 05/19/09 - 09:34 am
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this bill is not about

this bill is not about exposing children to to same-sex relationships, but instead about protecting children.. to exclude those people from those same protections against violence as hetero relationships is in fact a bigotted point of view.. "bigot: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices ; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance"

HotFoot
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HotFoot 05/19/09 - 09:36 am
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Since the same people who are

Since the same people who are anti-Gay tend to be anti-Muslim (and thus can possibly grasp the parallel) let me ask you: If you don't want your children "exposed" to the EXISTENCE of Islam (because you believe otherwise) does it make sense to pass a bill protecting the rights of all religious believers to wear symbols of their religion (e.g., crosses) except Islam?

Frank I
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Frank I 05/19/09 - 09:38 am
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except that the baptists and

except that the baptists and catholics don't believe the same..

TakeAstand
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TakeAstand 05/19/09 - 09:47 am
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At 5 years old I think

At 5 years old I think explaining why a mommy and daddy are kissing is completely different than 2 men and explaining why we don't do that. I tell my son boys dont kiss other boys and thats all he needs to know at that age. See what I mean, because I am honest with how I feel, you people get your panties all in a wad and show your anger towards me, just becuase someone disagrees with you you want to be hateful yourselves, otherwise you wouldnt use all those CAPS!!! I can tolerate them in the park but when they hear me tell my son that boys don't kiss other boys when he asks and for him not to do it, the gays shouldn't be offended. If they don't want to hear it, dont do it in public. All I'm saying is it shouldn't be forced on straight people, it should be thier choice to accept it or put thier kid in a class where the teacher teaches its acceptance! especially at a young age. I know this isnt what this bill is about, but the is where the REP is scared it is going and opening the door to. Just like once upon a time a foreign language was an elective, now its mandatory. It shouldn't be forced on anyone and those who choose to opt out shouldn't be assumed to be and considered bigots.

Frank I
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Frank I 05/19/09 - 09:56 am
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here's a simple reversal..

here's a simple reversal.. have you EVER kissed your significant other in public? if so, how can you think it's ok for you and not for them? as far as the foreign language thing, there's no comparison.. the US is FAR behind other countries in educational standards, in fact most european nations have been teaching their native tongue, English (Queens English, not "American") and a third language for at least as long as I've been alive..

HotFoot
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HotFoot 05/19/09 - 10:08 am
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So, you're a xenophobe as

So, you're a xenophobe as well as a homophobe. Ok, how about this: When I see proselytizers in the park hawking their religion like bootleg CDs, I guess you won't think me rude if I stand next to them and explain to my kids in a loud voice that what they're doing is WRONG (oops, sorry if my caps offended your delicate sensibilities) and Mommy and Daddy don't believe in making something that is private public.

HotFoot
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HotFoot 05/19/09 - 10:10 am
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BTW, people who opt out of

BTW, people who opt out of foreign language instruction aren't seen as bigots, only poorly educated and unprepared for college. And foreign language has been required by selective colleges for at least 40 years.

BarstoolDreamer
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BarstoolDreamer 05/19/09 - 10:14 am
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I think the best thing to do

I think the best thing to do is just shelter your kids. Never let them out of the house. Don't let them travel at all and see how other cultures around the world are. I mean if you can't handle diversity in the park the best thing to do is cover your eyes and ears and pray REALLY hard, maybe it will all go away.

TakeAstand
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TakeAstand 05/19/09 - 10:22 am
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Didn't I just explain that?

Didn't I just explain that? It's choice. They can do it, but dont get all bent out of shape when the parents tell thier kids it is wrong. Other than a peck that chit should be kept out of public anyway from gays and heteros. But if you put it out there, my response to my son for heteros may be be becuase they are in love, but they shouldnt do it in public, my response for gays is that is inappropriate in public and boys shouldnt kiss boys and girls shouldnt kiss girls like that. And that's my right as a parent. All I'm saying is it works both ways, we can teach the limits on tolerance and acceptance without condoning at home where it should be not in school, the other ide also has to tolerate and accept the fact that not everyone condones the lifestyle, it doesnt mean the are hateful bigot [filtered word]'s which is what they think if someone doesnt condone being gay and thats not right its hypocritical!! You people prove my point!!! =)

HotFoot
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HotFoot 05/19/09 - 10:23 am
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Yep, BarstoolDreamer, that'll

Yep, BarstoolDreamer, that'll work. And don't forget to homeschool them. Wouldn't want them exposed against your will to ideas you haven't vetted. Better to chew their food for them, too, mother bird style.

HotFoot
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HotFoot 05/19/09 - 10:25 am
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And why shouldn't your

And why shouldn't your explanation about two guys kissing be the same: It's because they're IN LOVE. I agree that PSAs are obnoxious altogether, but I'd rather see someone making nice than someone espousing hatred.

TakeAstand
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TakeAstand 05/19/09 - 10:31 am
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The reason is because I don't

The reason is because I don't teach my son men kiss other men period, in love or not and thats my choice!!!I tell him drugs are bad too, should I tell him they are ok just not to offend someone who has an addiction they can't help? Has nothing to do with hate, just personal morals, which everyone has thier own right to feel. It goes both ways! My son doesn't need to be sheltered, but I won't teach him what I think is wrong is ok just to spare others feelings. Trying to discourage behavior you feel is inappropriate doesn't always mean hate, something you people obviously can not grasp.

Frank I
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Frank I 05/19/09 - 10:37 am
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addiction is a disease..

addiction is a disease.. homosexuality is not.. you're comparing teaching your child about apples to teaching them about beef..

BarstoolDreamer
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BarstoolDreamer 05/19/09 - 10:39 am
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When he ask you "Why is that

When he ask you "Why is that person so fat" do you say because they are are a sinner and chose to live a lifesyle of gluttony and we dont think they are appropriate?

TakeAstand
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TakeAstand 05/19/09 - 10:47 am
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No I say that is what happens

No I say that is what happens when you don't eat healthy and exercise. So if you don't want to be that way, take steps to not get there!! duhh

themaninthemirror
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themaninthemirror 05/19/09 - 10:51 am
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If Adam and Steve or Betty

If Adam and Steve or Betty and Beth want to slap each other around in the privacy of their own home, let themhave at it. If they want to kiss and hold hands in public that is totally different.

TakeAstand
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TakeAstand 05/19/09 - 10:51 am
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report me for a little slang,

report me for a little slang, did I hurt your wittle feelings, thats the only way you can get at me?????

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aaa 05/19/09 - 10:52 am
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Homosexuality is a behavioral

Homosexuality is a behavioral choice, not a "birth right". As per our Constitution, we are all endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights - rights - not choices. It is the choices in life we make that determine who we become. Homosexuality is not natural nor is it normal. God bless those afflicted by the confusion of the disease. We can only pray for their recovery. But we can also oppose their agenda in order to restrict the spread of their disease. Time to fight back folks and take back the definition of family and marriage.

HotFoot
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HotFoot 05/19/09 - 11:08 am
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Who reported you for "slang",

Who reported you for "slang", TakeAstand? Not I. And StandingTall (on the backs of others, no doubt), you can't say that homosexuality is BOTH a "disease" and a "choice". It is clearly neither, but that's beside the point--your argument is flawed. You know, a small percentage of people are born with red hair versus brown. Is red hair a "disease"? A "choice"? Should red-headed people dye their hair brown so they can pass? Why don't you just admit that for religious reasons, you hate gay people and want to restrict their right to live as you do? Oh, and maninthemirror, you use as your example gay couples slapping each other around. Nice. BTW, I think S/m is OK as long as consensual, too..... (Now I'll stand back and let the invective begin.)

BarstoolDreamer
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BarstoolDreamer 05/19/09 - 11:09 am
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thanks for YOUR opinion that

thanks for YOUR opinion that it is a choice...you know the saying about opinion though...

Frank I
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Frank I 05/19/09 - 11:10 am
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"life, liberty, and the

"life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness"- United States Declaration of Independence listed this as "inalienable rights endowed by their Creator".. now, if a homosexual chooses to persue a relationship with someone of the same sex in the same manner as a heterosexual chooses to persue a relationship with someone of the opposite sex, is this not guaranteed by the basis of our government to be protected?.. btw, no where in the definition of family is sexuality even mentioned..

1941
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1941 05/19/09 - 11:10 am
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Gays are born that way!!! It

Gays are born that way!!! It is not a lifestyle!!!

TakeAstand
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TakeAstand 05/19/09 - 11:12 am
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See why is it you say anyone

See why is it you say anyone who doesn't approve hates??????? That's the point you do not get!!!!! I don't hate and have gay friends, but they respect us enough to not blatently flaunt it in front of us, hit on us, or try to influence my son on it!!! Personally I don't find red heads attractive and wouldn't date one, but they are in my family, does that mean I hate all redheaded people??? Give me a break.... and you think our minds are closed!!!!!!!

Frank I
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Frank I 05/19/09 - 11:14 am
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you expect them to respect

you expect them to respect you when you don't return the favor? you support legislation that prevents them from living their lives as you and you expect them to respect you?

Grasshopper
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Grasshopper 05/19/09 - 11:16 am
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I agree 1941 it is a mental

I agree 1941 it is a mental disorder that should be treated, like other born mental illnesses.

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