Remember a pair of Southern heroes

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In the month of January, we have the birthdays of two Southern icons.

They fought in a tumultuous war over our country's future. Some historians have made efforts to demean their places in our history. Their unquestionable character has stood the test of time against these attacks. They were devout Christians who fought for their beloved Virginia. It was their belief that whatever outcome that prevailed was God's will.

In their days, the state's sovereignty was considered equal to or greater than the limited powers of the federal government. When President Lincoln ordered the invasion of Virginia and other Southern states, Virginians responded against this calamity. Their secession was provoked by his order.

Many sons of Virginia stepped up to defend her borders. Robert E. Lee and Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson had no other choice.

Neither man believed in forced servitude. Gen. Lee freed his family's slaves in 1857. Gen. Jackson bought and freed a young black man who worked with him at Virginia Military Institute.

They fought to maintain their state's liberty. Virginians knew what the Constitution meant. They wrote it.

Gen. Robert E. Lee was born Jan. 21, 1807. He was called the greatest American general by Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson was born Jan. 19, 1824.

Robert L. Gordon

North Augusta, S.C.

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Nativeson1
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Nativeson1 01/15/10 - 06:04 am
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" It was their belief that

" It was their belief that whatever outcome that prevailed was God's will".....That is good, I just wish they could convience some of the people to adopt that philosophy today...Whether we are talking about the Civil War or the 2008 election, there are some folks who claim to believe God is in control but the can't accept it when God moves in a direction they personally didn't want to go....

overburdened_taxpayer
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overburdened_taxpayer 01/15/10 - 06:10 am
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God hasn't taken free will

God hasn't taken free will from us. We all have the ability to make our own decisions so I don't think that the 2008 election was God's will. All throughout the Bible God is for personal freedoms so I don't think it was "God's will" that we have a socialist seeking President.

Irish
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Irish 01/15/10 - 07:22 am
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God gave man free will which

God gave man free will which has probably been part of the fall and decline of civilization for years. Free will and Gods will are not always the same..However it seems as a gentleman God doesn't intervene on our will but forgives our mistakes....I don't believe our Current administration falls under Gods will but more free will from a society of voters looking for a handout....

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Notreally 01/15/10 - 07:28 am
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First of all are any of you

First of all are any of you in Gods will? is it the will of God to HATE Obama THAT MUCH? HLS I know the HATE and RACIST groups has trippled in the last year and will ONLY increase.

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genbartow 01/15/10 - 07:32 am
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Nativeson - What God allows

Nativeson - What God allows and what God desires are often two different things.
God desires that our nation obey his precepts such as "thou shall not murder". So if a murderer is elected to a high office,it is something that God has allowed, not desired. And the nation that elected him will be judged for doing so.

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 01/15/10 - 07:34 am
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Notreally, God does hate. He

Notreally, God does hate. He hates sin. He loves us all, and wants us all to come to Him, but He has a powerful hatred for all things contrary to His nature. If anyone, including the president, speaks or acts contrary to God's will, then God hates that.

overburdened_taxpayer
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overburdened_taxpayer 01/15/10 - 07:47 am
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Notreally - I'm in God's

Notreally - I'm in God's will. You know the line "Whoever so believeth in me..." So yes I'm in God's will. Whether I get there or not is entirely up to me but God has included me as well as everyone else in his will.

Mr. Thackeray
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Mr. Thackeray 01/15/10 - 08:01 am
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"They fought to maintain

"They fought to maintain their state's liberty. Virginians knew what the Constitution meant. They wrote it."

WRONG! Where did you learn your history? The Constitution was hammered out through compromise: Big state vs Small, North vs South. Just because James Madison was from VA does not mean they wrote it! Finally, please remember, those of you who constantly tout the Southern Constitutional cause; when the declared their independence the DID NOT create another constitutional government but rather in the image of the Article of Confederation which is contrary to the Constitution!

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ron_rlw 01/15/10 - 08:02 am
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Whether we are talking about

Whether we are talking about the civil war or the 2008 election we won't know for sure whether God intervened in the outcome or not until we can ask Him. As we go through the Bible you can noticed that in almost all cases God allowed the people to chose to follow Him or not follow Him ... in either case consequences followed, sometimes immediate and sometimes years later. But in all cases the people were given the chance to correct their sin at the point the sin was first introduced. ========= But if I'm not mistaken this was not the topic of this Letter to the Editor. While most of my forefathers fought for the North &#0133 both Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson did remarkable well defending the south with the limited resources they had available to them. For those of you that believe that these men shouldn't be remembered &#0133 I say to you that if we don't appreciate our history and teach it to our children &#0133 we will be doomed to repeat all of our mistakes.

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augustadog 01/15/10 - 08:26 am
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There is an old saying that

There is an old saying that the victors get to write the history of the war and the War between the States is an excellent example. The history books have never accurately protrayed the reasons for the war, or the many atrocities committed by the North, especially Shermans march to the sea. I guess Mr. Thackeray believes the many inaccurate accountings of this time. And yes, the majority of the Constitution was written by Southern leaders, many from Virginia.

States Rights is more of an issue today than it ever was. Wake up and let yourself be heard!

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LCC0256 01/15/10 - 08:29 am
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Eloquently stated and with a

Eloquently stated and with a brilliant analysis ron rlw... Is it any wonder to you or other rational truth oriented citizens that they would have a completely FALSE view of these men or their contributions to U S History? The reason is (unfortunately) the simple majority of people in this country are a product of the public education system... The TRUTH IS that public "education" is grossly inadequate, corrupt & propaganda oriented towards anti- American rhetoric. The public education establishment along with the quasi-fascist/socialist now in FULL POWER of the US Government are moving into high gear. Their minions have controlled the education bureaucracy for many years on the Federal & State level. Now they have the full force of the US House of Representatives, the US Senate & Executive Branch behind them. As soon as the Supreme Court is over run by these egocentric & extremely evil savages this once great republic will be totally lost. The ONLY solution at this point is to home school, support current private schools or start one in your community. Second is to vote for ONLY THOSE who offer themselves for public office that will IN TRUTH PROTECT & DEFEND the US Constitution

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LaTwon 01/15/10 - 08:34 am
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a link to the Confederate

a link to the Confederate Constitution that was the basis for their Constitutional form of govt. nearly identical to the U.S.
Constitution. http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/csaconst.htm

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terry67 01/15/10 - 08:39 am
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If you care about the way our

If you care about the way our Country is heading, Please circulate this to remind every voter that the "cesspools" MUST be pumped out when we go to the polls in November, 2010.

ron_rlw
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ron_rlw 01/15/10 - 08:51 am
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LCC ... Thanks ... But home

LCC ... Thanks ... But home schools isn't the only solution. I have used both private and public schools with my kids. The answer is in getting involved with your kid's education. Work with them while they are doing their homework ... ask questions about what they are studing ... fill-in details that seem to be missing ... explain your views to them ... talk to your kids teachers ... don't be afraid to go talk to the adminstration. You won't win many friends in the school system ... but your kids get a better education and actually know you care.

Mr. Thackeray
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Mr. Thackeray 01/15/10 - 09:18 am
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"The history books have never

"The history books have never accurately protrayed the reasons for the war, or the many atrocities committed by the North, especially Shermans march to the sea. I guess Mr. Thackeray believes the many inaccurate accountings of this time." And just how many textbooks have you seen? I have reviewed EVERY US History textbook from the major suppliers in the last20 years.

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Mr. Thackeray 01/15/10 - 09:21 am
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LaTown, sorry you are way off

LaTown, sorry you are way off here. That site says:

"The Permanent Constitution of the Confederate States Constitution was nearly identical to the United States Constitution. This file allows a comparison of the two documents. "

That is simply not true. Look into the power of the states within the CSA. Davis was driven nuts by states like Texas that refused to fully support a war outside their borders. Financially it was identical to the Articles (you are familiar with the Article of Confederation, yes?). WOW, look at the title and compare it to the title of the Southern nation...hmmmmmm

themaninthemirror
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themaninthemirror 01/15/10 - 09:21 am
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Only one logistical error

Only one logistical error kept Robert E. Lee from possibly winning the civil war. However, losing the civil war was not necessarily a bad thing for the south. The south's main industry at that time was the cotton industry. There were no major manufacturing plants to provide employment for the majority of the citizens of the south. Robert E. Lee was a feared general and no one wanted to go up against him in war. No one should take the south lightly or make fun of southern heritage. Abraham Lincoln was hesitant to go to war, and spent many sleepless nights pondering decisions that would change history. The emancipated slaves, however, did not have an easy road ahead of them. Instead of providing for their education, they were like a wild animal that had been raised in domestication. They were just simply freed into the wilderness with no idea of what would face them. They did know how to work and produce food, but they had no business acumen to secure housing,land, and funding to get on with their life. And that leads us to a whole different part of history.

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Rhetor 01/15/10 - 10:15 am
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Contrary to popular belief,

Contrary to popular belief, the Lee family did not free their slaves. The 1857 Custis will provided for emancipation over a 5-year period, but Lee held slaves until forced out of Arlington by the war.

AsItIs
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AsItIs 01/15/10 - 11:01 am
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I believe Robert E. Lee

I believe Robert E. Lee continues to be the only person who ever graduated from west point with ZERO demerits. Happy Birthday, General~!

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LaTwon 01/15/10 - 11:01 am
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the confederate states had a

the confederate states had a constitution and was a constitutional form of govt. you can blather your b s all you want but that is how it was set up.

LaTwon
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LaTwon 01/15/10 - 11:04 am
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The Southern leaders met in

The Southern leaders met in Montgomery, Alabama, to write their constitution. Much of the Confederate States Constitution replicated the United States Constitution verbatim, but it contained several explicit protections of the institution of slavery, though it maintained the existing ban on international slave-trading. In certain areas, the Confederate Constitution gave greater powers to the states (or curtailed the powers of the central government more) than the U.S. Constitution of the time did, but in other areas, the states actually lost rights they had under the U.S. Constitution. Although the Confederate Constitution, like the U.S. Constitution, contained a commerce clause, the Confederate version prohibited the central government from using revenues collected in one state for funding internal improvements in another state. The Confederate Constitution's equivalent to the U.S. Constitution's general welfare clause prohibited protective tariffs (but allowed tariffs for providing domestic revenue), and spoke of "carry[ing] on the Government of the Confederate States" rather than providing for the "general welfare".

LaTwon
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LaTwon 01/15/10 - 11:46 am
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you said " when the declared

you said " when the declared their independence the DID NOT create another constitutional government but rather in the image of the Article of Confederation which is contrary to the Constitution!" you write tripe like this and you review textbooks? clearly a tax feeder that thrives off of the welfare state and centralization. no wonder our kids know nothing.

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RichmondCountyResident1 01/15/10 - 01:04 pm
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It's appalling that the

It's appalling that the Chronicle would publish this piece of rubbish on MLK's birthday. Today is the real birthdate of MLK. It shows the level of disrespect and hate coming form that crowd. Of all days, why today? Probably because they thought we would be too stupid to make the connection. These guys played an important part in American history and it should be noted. But, their images are further tarnished by those who continually perpetuate hate in their names. If you want others to respect your heritage, learn respect for other folks heritage. Shame on you Augusta Chronicle!!!

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AGR354 01/15/10 - 01:14 pm
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Asltls quote your source,

Asltls quote your source, that only happen once, but
i believe it was in the twentith century

ron_rlw
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ron_rlw 01/15/10 - 01:20 pm
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If MLK's dream means anything

If MLK's dream means anything ... why would it matter. They all had brithdays in this month. Let get past race since it should be the criteria for anything.

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nofanofobama 01/15/10 - 01:28 pm
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i was born in Minnesota and

i was born in Minnesota and my family fought on the north side.. i moved to the south and raised my family in the south. and i was fairly certain the civil war was about slavery. however a few years ago i visited Gettysburg battle fields walked the path of Pickett's charge and changed my mind..98 percent or so of the southern soilders didnt even have shoes which is why lee invaded Pennsylvania that and food..those soldiers did not face that certain death over slavery they were on most parts just as poor but not enslaved..it was something else IT WAS STATES RIGHTS i believe this is what LEE and JACKSON believed in also..slavery was awful but was soon to be replaced by technology. IT WAS DIFFERENT TIME AND ON SLAVERY THEY WERE DEAD WRONG BUT STILL GREAT AMERICANS..

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Boogaloo 01/15/10 - 01:30 pm
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When I first read the

When I first read the headline, and knowing it is MLK's birthday, I thought they were going to give due recognition to Medgar Evers and James Chaney. You know, two innocent men who were murdered for the cause of civil rights. Civil rights are far more important than state's rights.

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Rhetor 01/15/10 - 01:49 pm
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On a realistic note, let's

On a realistic note, let's keep in mind that a Northern victory was inevitable. The North had a larger population and vastly more industry and better transportation. Lee and Jackson streteched out the war longer by their brilliant tactics, but the end result was never in doubt. Let us also keep in mind that the end of slavery resulted in the rise of the KKK, Jim Crow laws, and many other horrifying evils. Only within my own lifetime has the Southern economy turned away from wickedness.

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UncleBill 01/15/10 - 01:50 pm
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They were traitors, having

They were traitors, having previously taken an oath of alegiance to the United States.

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confederate american 01/15/10 - 02:05 pm
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uncle bill please explain

uncle bill please explain that traitor crap to me.

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