Killing us with 'kindness'

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Democrats may come off looking like Santa Claus. Republicans may come off like the Grinch.

But neither party has covered itself in glory in recent decades, and particularly in this stampede to create a new health-care entitlement at a time when we can't even pay for what we already have.

The truth is, the massive federal takeover of health care would simply be the latest -- and one of the biggest -- plundering of the national Treasury on our supposed behalf.

They are killing us with what passes for kindness in government, immorally using our descendants' money to do so, and putting our republic and its paper currency on life support in the process.

This is not about health care. At bottom, it's about our leaders' ability to raid our national Treasury -- and their inability to resist doing it.

Latching on to health care is no doubt a brilliant strategy by leftists who have utter disdain for this country's freedoms -- and who surely realize the power they are grasping by creating unprecedented new dependency on the government.

Such dependency is like crack cocaine, and the "dealers" in Washington are using our money to get us addicted.

Yet, as much power as Washington grabs, we will always have the upper hand -- as long as we have the Constitution. It provides us ways to amend it to stop the kind of out-of-control government we're seeing today. We direct your attention to Article V.

Absent a constitutional convention, it may be too late to stop this slide into socialism. But we have to continue trying -- through the legislative process as this health-care "reform" continues in Congress, through next year's elections and likely through the courts -- for, even if Republicans take over Congress next year, it won't be by a veto-proof majority. That means whatever President Obama gets now, he can probably hold onto with his veto pen in hand.

When details of the Democratic health care proposals finally emerge, it's probable that we'll find, tucked into the thousands of pages of fine print, that health care "reform" will be the most destructive force ever to American liberty.

The more power that flows to Washington, the less you have.

With the loss of liberty comes the loss of personal responsibility. When someone else is responsible for your life, you take less responsibility for it yourself.

What is so sad is that this great country could find ways to make health insurance more affordable and available without turning the entire system -- one-sixth of the economy -- on its head; without the government dictating health-care terms and conditions to us all; without bankrupting future generations; and without doing inestimable and perhaps irreparable injury to the U.S. Constitution and the freedoms it was supposed to ensure.

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BadBoyd 12/28/09 - 08:52 am
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Pelosi has previously stated

Pelosi has previously stated she will not allow any legislation to pass that did not contain the public option, so by this flip-flop she has proved she is a deceitful liar once again. Pres Obama has vowed to veto any legislation that does not contain it. I expect him to sign it since his list of lies and broken promises is approaching the length of this bill. What difference will one more make to his "legacy"? Once you hit rock bottom, there is nowhere else to go.....

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robaroo 12/28/09 - 08:52 am
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Sorry, but both the

Sorry, but both the Republicans and the Democrats are the problem. The D's like to spend more money, but neither party is willing to raise taxes enough to pay for the programs. It may be too late to "let future generations" pay for the debt - the US is already teetering on bankruptcy. After bankruptcy, we will get an American version of Hitler or Stalin who will make the hard decisions for us.

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RIPAmerica 12/28/09 - 08:53 am
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Not on this thread, SeenitB4.

Not on this thread, SeenitB4. I also noticed I did the same thing that "newscasters" have done: Instead of asking q's, I was indeed using "tell us". Thanks for the correction. I have re-edited and re-posted my questions in a much more polite manner.

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ron_rlw 12/28/09 - 08:53 am
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John ... Cain ... If the US

John ... Cain ... If the US cannot afford health care reform at this time ... then why push it. Why not push Obama into keeping his campaign promises to get us out of the wars. That is since he has decided not to attempt to actually win the wars.

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Irish 12/28/09 - 08:56 am
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The problem is too many

The problem is too many people gamble on their health playing russian roulette until they develope an illness and then they think they should be able to purchase hospitalization and insurance. Medicare and medicaid have for years determined what is and what is not covered and now the great society wants the government to ruin it for everyone.

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RIPAmerica 12/28/09 - 08:58 am
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I would believe, after the

I would believe, after the rushed passage of the stimulus bill proved to be a bad call, that more people would be more suspicious of these quick legislative actions. The devil's in the details folks, and to support this health care legislation without knowing why makes one part of the problem.

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seenitB4 12/28/09 - 08:58 am
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Ron Some on here are

Ron Some on here are putting words in my mouth,,, This isn't the best plan,, but again I will say ,,,Why didn't the Reps. do something when they wre in power..I would like to see good health reform done with both sides working together.. But just like these posts everybody has an opinion & very seldom do we all agree..I give up guys ,,, ya'll can have your way,, I have to clean house & wash clothes..Women work you know..Have a great day,,

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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 12/28/09 - 08:59 am
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ron rlw, I did not "push"

ron rlw, I did not "push" health care reform. I have been for universal health care since 1972 and for a single payer system since 1992. Health care from is no higher than number 4 on my priority list. Number one is ending our costly, counterproductive war. Number two is addressing man-made global climate change in a direct and effective way. Number three is creating a sustainable economy with high paying jobs. Number 4 is health care reform and I problem should move it down to number 5 behind educational reform. I am HIGHLY critical of liberals for pushing health care reform before demanding this country end the wars that are sinking us into an unrecoverable state and dividing this country more deeply than the Vietnam war did.

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ron_rlw 12/28/09 - 08:59 am
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robaroo ... The most pressing

robaroo ... The most pressing problem we have in this nation today is that of the ecomony. Increasing the the taxes will not help the ecomony ... however helping the ecomony will increase the amount of taxes that are being collected. Therefore, right now it is more important to get the ecomony on track than to continue to increase the cost of business by increasing taxes.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 12/28/09 - 09:03 am
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(corrected version) ron rlw,

(corrected version) ron rlw, I did not "push" health care reform. I have been for universal health care since 1972 and for a single payer system since 1992. Health care reform is no higher than number 4 on my priority list. Number one is ending our costly, counterproductive wars. Number two is addressing man-made global climate change in a direct and effective way. Number three is creating a sustainable economy with high paying jobs. Number 4 is health care reform. and I problem should move it down to number 5 behind reform of the education system. I am HIGHLY critical of liberals for pushing health care reform before demanding this country end the wars that are sinking us into an unrecoverable state and dividing this country more deeply than the Vietnam war did.

Posted by JohnRandolphHardisonCain on Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:59 AM

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ron_rlw 12/28/09 - 09:04 am
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John ... Cain - Then the best

John ... Cain - Then the best thing to do is to kill the current health care bill and work on more important things. Your number 3 item ... the economy ... is what I consider the number 1 problem. Since Obama has decided not to win the wars ... then I would say that ending the wars would be number 2. Everything else can wait.

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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 12/28/09 - 09:05 am
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(2nd corrected version)

(2nd corrected version) (corrected version) ron rlw, I did not "push" health care reform. I have been for universal health care since 1972 and for a single payer system since 1992. Health care reform is no higher than number 4 on my priority list. Number one is ending our costly, counterproductive wars. Number two is addressing man-made global climate change in a direct and effective way. Number three is creating a sustainable economy with high paying jobs. Number 4 is health care reform. and I probably should move it down to number 5 behind reform of the education system. I am HIGHLY critical of liberals for pushing health care reform before demanding this country end the wars that are sinking us into an unrecoverable state and dividing this country more deeply than the Vietnam war did.

Posted by JohnRandolphHardisonCain on Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:59 AM

Posted by JohnRandolphHardisonCain on Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:03 AM

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ron_rlw 12/28/09 - 09:08 am
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seenitB4 &#0133 The reps did

seenitB4 &#0133 The reps did increase the public provided health care while they were in power. My mother pays $40 a month for her drugs &#0133 which would have cost her quite a bit more if it wasn't for the government drug plan &#0133 created and passed under a republican administration.

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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 12/28/09 - 09:11 am
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ron rlw, Obama CANNOT "win"

ron rlw, Obama CANNOT "win" these wars militarily. Even Gen. David Petraeus says as much. The COIN war in Afghanistan that Gen. McChrystal invisions will last at least 10 years. YOU ADD UP THE COSTS. 30,000 additional U.S. troops will not make a difference except for adding another $30 billion every day to the fiscal costs of war in Afghanistan. It would take between 480,000 and 640,000 troops on the ground a decade or more to "win" a counterinsurgency war. Besides, today the news reports that the central front of the war on terror - at least as far as Al Qaeda is concerned - is Yemen not even Pakistan and certainly not Afghanistan. Great powers repeated exhaust themselves in ill-advised, costly, military adventures. War and neglect our domestic economy will spell the downfall of this country.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 12/28/09 - 09:13 am
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(corrected version) ron rlw,

(corrected version) ron rlw, Obama CANNOT "win" these wars militarily. Even Gen. David Petraeus says as much. The COIN war in Afghanistan that Gen. McChrystal invisions will last at least 10 years. YOU ADD UP THE COSTS. 30,000 additional U.S. troops will not make a difference except for adding another $30 billion every YEAR to the fiscal costs of war in Afghanistan. It would take between 480,000 and 640,000 troops on the ground a decade or more to "win" a counterinsurgency war. Besides, today the news reports that the central front of the war on terror - at least as far as Al Qaeda is concerned - is Yemen not even Pakistan and certainly not Afghanistan. Great powers repeatedly exhaust themselves in ill-advised, costly, military adventures. War and neglect our domestic economy will spell the downfall of this country.

Posted by JohnRandolphHardisonCain on Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:11 AM

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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 12/28/09 - 09:15 am
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(2nd corrected version)

(2nd corrected version) (corrected version) ron rlw, Obama CANNOT "win" these wars militarily. Even Gen. David Petraeus says as much. The COIN war in Afghanistan that Gen. McChrystal invisions will last at least 10 years. YOU ADD UP THE COSTS. 30,000 additional U.S. troops will not make a difference except for adding another $30 billion every YEAR to the fiscal costs of war in Afghanistan. It would take between 480,000 and 640,000 troops on the ground a decade or more to "win" a counterinsurgency war. Besides, today the news reports that the central front of the war on terror - at least as far as Al Qaeda is concerned - is Yemen not even Pakistan and certainly not Afghanistan. Great powers repeatedly exhaust themselves in ill-advised, costly, military adventures. War and neglect of our domestic economy will spell the downfall of this country. Posted by JohnRandolphHardisonCain on Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:11 AM
Posted by JohnRandolphHardisonCain on Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:13 AM

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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 12/28/09 - 09:16 am
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Maybe if we all submit enough

Maybe if we all submit enough "corrected versions" of our post the administrators of Reader Comments will fix the edit function.

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RIPAmerica 12/28/09 - 09:18 am
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There is not one single poll

There is not one single poll that indicates the American public considers health care reform a higher priority than getting people back to work and improving our economy. I wish we had leaders in DC who listened to the people.

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ron_rlw 12/28/09 - 09:18 am
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John ... Cain - You're point

John ... Cain - You're point about the wars make sense and since Obama has admitted that he will not push for the win then we have no more business there. We should pull out and abandon those that have depended on us for the last 8 years, since any more waste of lives or other resouces is unnecessary to obtain our stated goals. I don't believe we disagree on this ... however just because we are currently wasting money in one place doesn't justify wasting it in another place. If health care reform is more important than the ecomony ... then lets do it right. If as we both agree the ecomony is more important then let's not destroy the ecomony in am effort to pass a bad health care reform bill.

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ron_rlw 12/28/09 - 09:20 am
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John...Cain - It is working

John...Cain - It is working better than it did the other day when I tried to submit a corrected version and nothing happened.

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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 12/28/09 - 09:24 am
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I do not support health care

I do not support health care reform at this time.

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ron_rlw 12/28/09 - 09:25 am
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RIPAnerica ... about your

RIPAnerica ... about your polls ... there is two polls that say that healthcare is much more important than putting the American workers back to work ... one is on the floor of the House and the other is on the floor of the senate. Any right now they seem to be the only polls that count.

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southernguy08 12/28/09 - 09:25 am
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SEEIT, we agree on the need
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SEEIT, we agree on the need for congress to be voted out and start with fresh faces. According to the latest polls, we will be seeing a lot of new congressional faces in a year. That's "change" I can believe in. Of course, libs that believe this Dem congress does no wrong have suddenly stopped believing in the polls. Funny, they sure believed in them when they had Obama in the lead.

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southernguy08 12/28/09 - 09:27 am
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RIP, your 8:42 post was right
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RIP, your 8:42 post was right on. Unfortunately, it is wasted space on the millions of leeches who want others to pay for their healtcare.

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RIPAmerica 12/28/09 - 09:29 am
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Ron: yes, those are the polls

Ron: yes, those are the polls which really matter, unfortunately. A national strike is the only resort of the taxpaying public. It's what people in socialist countries do to protest the actions of the dictators.

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RIPAmerica 12/28/09 - 09:32 am
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If unemployment soars due to

If unemployment soars due to passage of this legislation (as most economists fear), economic historians predict unemployment will not reach "normal levels" (5.5 to 6%) before 2021. In my opinioin, business owners and corporations are not going to "eat" their costs, but cut jobs to maintain profitability, prices will rise, and the poor (who already are provided coverage mind you) will suffer tremendously. All of this just to FORCE unwilling customers into buying health insurance.

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ron_rlw 12/28/09 - 09:33 am
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John...Cain - I went back and

John...Cain - I went back and re-read your post and I see what you are talking about ... sorry for the missunderstanding. Please joint us in contacting your Congressmen to defeat this bill and then once we get our ecomony back on track we can tackle the health care again. Actually I believe that significate improvements can be made in the current health care system without the need to bend the Constitution or break the bank and we can start on these rigth away.

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RIPAmerica 12/28/09 - 09:34 am
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I foresee taxpayer revolt,

I foresee taxpayer revolt, national strikes, Obama using the chaos to suspend elections, and so on and so on and scooby dooby dooo.... buy gold folks, buy lots of gold.

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ron_rlw 12/28/09 - 09:35 am
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RIP ... The poor are always

RIP ... The poor are always the ones that suffer due to well intentioned folks that are short sighted.

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RIPAmerica 12/28/09 - 09:42 am
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Simple easy healthcare

Simple easy healthcare reform: #1: All subsidy receivers will get free Doctor's visits, free meds, and free hospitalization. They will earn this by passing drug tests, and committing to healthy lifestyles. It will be their choice. #2: Tort reform. Much of the current cost of healthcare is due to Doctor's who will perform every test possible to avoid making a mistake. They do this not out of care for the patient, but to avoid the huge lawsuit. Limiting medical malpractice awards will reduce insurance premiums for doctors and hospitals, reduce unnecessary tests, and SAVE money. #3: Fat Taxes. America is obese. Taxes on ALL items and goods which contribute to the obesity epidemic. #4: Higher sin taxes on alcohol and tobacco. (I drink and smoke btw). #5: Remove interstate restrictions on the sale of health insurance. This will create more competition, which any capitalist knows improves service and cuts costs. Five simple, unobtrusive ways to reform health care without the 180+ new federal agencies. As for denying pre-existing conditions? Buy insurance BEFORE you need it, millions of Americans have done so for generations.

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