Killing us with 'kindness'

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Democrats may come off looking like Santa Claus. Republicans may come off like the Grinch.

But neither party has covered itself in glory in recent decades, and particularly in this stampede to create a new health-care entitlement at a time when we can't even pay for what we already have.

The truth is, the massive federal takeover of health care would simply be the latest -- and one of the biggest -- plundering of the national Treasury on our supposed behalf.

They are killing us with what passes for kindness in government, immorally using our descendants' money to do so, and putting our republic and its paper currency on life support in the process.

This is not about health care. At bottom, it's about our leaders' ability to raid our national Treasury -- and their inability to resist doing it.

Latching on to health care is no doubt a brilliant strategy by leftists who have utter disdain for this country's freedoms -- and who surely realize the power they are grasping by creating unprecedented new dependency on the government.

Such dependency is like crack cocaine, and the "dealers" in Washington are using our money to get us addicted.

Yet, as much power as Washington grabs, we will always have the upper hand -- as long as we have the Constitution. It provides us ways to amend it to stop the kind of out-of-control government we're seeing today. We direct your attention to Article V.

Absent a constitutional convention, it may be too late to stop this slide into socialism. But we have to continue trying -- through the legislative process as this health-care "reform" continues in Congress, through next year's elections and likely through the courts -- for, even if Republicans take over Congress next year, it won't be by a veto-proof majority. That means whatever President Obama gets now, he can probably hold onto with his veto pen in hand.

When details of the Democratic health care proposals finally emerge, it's probable that we'll find, tucked into the thousands of pages of fine print, that health care "reform" will be the most destructive force ever to American liberty.

The more power that flows to Washington, the less you have.

With the loss of liberty comes the loss of personal responsibility. When someone else is responsible for your life, you take less responsibility for it yourself.

What is so sad is that this great country could find ways to make health insurance more affordable and available without turning the entire system -- one-sixth of the economy -- on its head; without the government dictating health-care terms and conditions to us all; without bankrupting future generations; and without doing inestimable and perhaps irreparable injury to the U.S. Constitution and the freedoms it was supposed to ensure.

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GGpap
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GGpap 12/28/09 - 04:47 am
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And, as the liberals have SO

And, as the liberals have SO MANY times been challenged, cite your sources for your doom and gloom predictions AC editorial staff. Opinions are just THAT, no more valid than mine; and I must opine that you are really spewing the most gross and putrid sort of feces! BUT, thank goodness, this IS an opinion thread and not a research and debate site. You express your opinions and I'll express mine...Hooray for the health care bill; may it even be more "socialistic" that it is perceived to be by the right! LOL! GGpap

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 12/28/09 - 05:49 am
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I love how the liberals are

I love how the liberals are so charitable with OTHER PEOPLE's money.

seenitB4
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seenitB4 12/28/09 - 06:19 am
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Let's be honest here TTT,,,,

Let's be honest here TTT,,,, We needed good health reform,,Reps. had 2 Pres terms with 2 Bushes & did nothing..So now we get what the Dems. want to put through..So who is to blame?? I have been tired of the ins. co. making decisions on my health care for years,dropping folks when they got sick,,SO WHY DIDN'T THE REPS. DO SOMETHING? It is what it is..

1941
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1941 12/28/09 - 06:23 am
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As long as the republicans

As long as the republicans have been in office, they have never thought about health care for the people, that could not afford it. Now there will be something to help a lot of people, and all you can think about is 'COST'!!! You should have been thinking about cost, when you people decided to invade Iraq!!Lets just see how things work, before doing what you people do, kill it before it get,s off the ground.Tigger, you repugnets, are not the only one who pay taxes!!! The government have been spending all of our taxes, since there have been taxes,What are you whinning about? You have never had a say as how they were to be spent!!! Get a life!!!

johnston.cliff
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johnston.cliff 12/28/09 - 06:48 am
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The welfare version of the

The welfare version of the current "obamacare" being offered is one thousand times worse than taking no action. The cost of health care won't go down, it'll go up as 50 million more people are covered by our current medicare system. (the 30 million current "uncovered citizens" and the 20 million "new" Americans) As the costs are revealed in real life, taxes will increase. Currently, the fed. tax rate is estimated to reach 77% just to try to cover the costs. There are a couple of Dem senators knocking on death's door. There's the courts, but only after a law has been passed. Times have never looked so grim for this country. The horrible experiment may well be this country's death knell.

seenitB4
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seenitB4 12/28/09 - 06:53 am
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Clif This is what happens

Clif This is what happens when no action is taken,,, now the next decision will be about illegals here .. Again that will ticked everybody off,,, but again it will come because no action was taken with Reps....sooo no action doesn't work...never has..

carcraft
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carcraft 12/28/09 - 06:55 am
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GGpap on Mon Dec 28, 2009

GGpap on Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:47 AM There will be a HUGH deficit from this "health care" here is one source- thehill.com/.../73487-senate-health-bill-poised-for-christmas-eve-passage. These clowns counted 140 billion dollars they are striping from medicare twice! It is true that liberals are very generous with other peoles mone as Tiger pointed out! This bill is one of the worst ever written and the drug companies are going to make money from it-online.wsj.com/article/SB125590875879693189.html- but who cares it's free right...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

GGpap
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GGpap 12/28/09 - 07:27 am
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caecraft, as I posted

caecraft, as I posted earlier, this is an opinion column. I choose to accept the opinions of many sources that lean left; your right wing "sources" are only expressing the unproven "OPINIONS" you choose to beleive. Have a great day! GGpap.

PatrickDanicant
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PatrickDanicant 12/28/09 - 07:35 am
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Thank you, GGpap for proving

Thank you, GGpap for proving Da Nile is more than just a river in Egypt. I'll give you a semi-pass for being in your twilight years, you are probably past the point where this bill will affect you monetarily or care wise if it ever takes effect.

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jb5365 12/28/09 - 07:35 am
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Last I heard OUR treasury

Last I heard OUR treasury comes from ALL. It`s about time it served ALL. CC I doubt you have any clue about the health care program; just parotting what you`ve heard on Faux News. Let`s give this thing a chance before condeming it. You just may be surprised that liberals could do as much good as conservatives have done for themselves...

ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts
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ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts 12/28/09 - 07:38 am
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GGpap, what carcraft has

GGpap, what carcraft has posted is fact, not opinion. Just check the congressional budget office on that. Those are the people that put that out, not an opinion! Pull your head out of your waste evacuation orifice and check it for yourself!

gaspringwater
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gaspringwater 12/28/09 - 07:38 am
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Republicans are the answer to

Republicans are the answer to nothing but tax cuts that mostly benefit the upper class, championing unbridled capitalism ( Reaganomics ), and squandering money on defense. American needs healthcare for all and they're just obstructionists. Thank you House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid.

johnston.cliff
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johnston.cliff 12/28/09 - 07:51 am
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We are now reaping the

We are now reaping the benefits of the "dumbing down of America" program ... the most successful ever initiated by the Dems. At this point, Marx's 200 year plan is way ahead of schedule. This effort has only been going on since the early 1900's.

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Notreally 12/28/09 - 07:52 am
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*Yawns* this editorial board

*Yawns* this editorial board is a hot mess... ooooh the hate to early in the morning.

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Brad Owens 12/28/09 - 08:13 am
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Well, it seems that they will

Well, it seems that they will get it no matter what anyone says. If taxes go up, who cares? Certian groups of people willnever be producers in our society and so they have no problem accepting the fruits of other people's labors. The problem we will have is how do we pay for this? At some point we will not be able to do it and the old system will have been destroyed. It seems this is more about gaining paower by controlling healthcare than helping people who don't have it. This will hurt the Democratic Party at the polls this coming year and I don't see how it cannot.

ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts
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ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts 12/28/09 - 08:39 am
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Brad, I have to agree with

Brad, I have to agree with you, but, not only will taxes go up but so will everything else you use. Groceries, gasoline, electricity, rent, cell phones, everything. It's the only way they'll be able to pay for it and guess who will pay? The very people they claim to help with this bill!

SoonerorLater
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SoonerorLater 12/28/09 - 08:40 am
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"Last I heard our treasury

"Last I heard our treasury comes from all, it is about time it served all" by JB at 635am. Our treasure does NOT come from all, it comes from those who make a decent income and must PAY taxes, not take from the treasury. It is already serving those that are less well off in the form of the Earned Income Credit (what a stupid name). Thus, it allows someone to take more money from the Treasury than they pay in, while others have to pay in and get nothing in return (can you say income redistribution). Dems keep power by making the government all powerful so that citizens have to rely on the government, that is why most welfare recipients are democrats and voted for Hussein.

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ron_rlw 12/28/09 - 08:40 am
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jb5365 ... no ... our

jb5365 ... no ... our treasury does not come from all the people. The fact is each year it seems to be from a smaller and smaller percentage of the people. And the percentage of those that actually use more of the treasury than they are contributing continues to grow also. You want us to give the health care takeover a chance. However to do so will interfere with healthcare of 85% of the people, just to fix a problem with the 15% of the folks that need better health insurance &#0133 all this for a cost of more than a trillion dollars. But the 15% don't seem to mind the extremely high cost for their benefit, simply because they won't have to pay for it &#0133 again the 85% of the folks that have adequate health care will end up paying for not only our own health care by also those that get theirs through government subsidizes. But the biggest reason why we should not just go along with the health care take over, is that ObamaCare doesn't address the root cause of the problem and waste not only resources but also time that could be used to fix the problem for the 15% that don't have insurance much cheaper and in a way that would actually create more jobs and thus reduce the need for the gover

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 12/28/09 - 08:41 am
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The English pound is about to

The English pound is about to drop to parity with the Euro. This isn't because Great Britain is spending itself bankrupt on its National Health System. France has socialized medicine. So does Germany. Their economies are much stronger than Britain's. What is driving Britain's & United States' deficits through the ceiling are their ongoing wars in Iraq & Afghanistan. The British people by more than a 2/3 margin have never approved of waging war in Iraq. Just like United States their nation's foreign policy was influenced by well-funded private interests & really had nothing to do with protecting Britain from any imminent threat. Unnecessary wars of choice that are endless & unwinnable are what are driving both Britain & United States into bankruptcy. I agree that healthcare reform is not the top priority at this point. The top priority is ending our disastrous wars. President Obama has blundered massively by escalating the U.S./NATO war in Afghanistan. Addressing man-made global climate change is our 2nd highest after peace & may be our highest priority. Economic recover precedes healthcare reform in importance. What happens when China decides to quite lending us money? ~~~contd~~~

SoonerorLater
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SoonerorLater 12/28/09 - 08:42 am
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The health care bill requires

The health care bill requires payment starting in a few weeks after the bill is passed, but no benefits are realized until 2014. Thus, it takes 10 years of payments to get 6 years of benefits (as projected in the first decade). What will happen to the four years worth of tax increases in the meantime?

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 12/28/09 - 08:45 am
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~~~contd~~~ The current

~~~contd~~~ The current healthcare reform legislation is said to cost roughly $1 trillion over the next ten years. United States has already spent nearly $1 trillion in upfront costs for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. According to Joseph Stiglitz and Linda Bilmer, the ongoing cost over the next 10 to 15 years including taking care of wounded soldiers will likely top $3 trillion and may go as high as $7 trillion. That makes the cost of healthcare reform pale by comparison. Nevertheless, United States cannot at their time afford either these unnecessary, unwinnable war of choice nor a massive overhaul of the healthcare system. And when we have peace and can afford to address healthcare refrom it must be a single payer system that includes a public option. But not now while our wars rage on.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 12/28/09 - 08:48 am
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~~~contd~~~(CORRECTED) The

~~~contd~~~(CORRECTED) The current health care reform legislation is said to cost roughly $1 trillion over the next ten years. United States has already spent nearly $1 trillion in upfront costs for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. According to Joseph Stiglitz and Linda Bilmer, the ongoing cost over the next 10 to 15 years including taking care of wounded soldiers will likely top $3 trillion and may go as high as $7 trillion. That makes the cost of health care reform pale by comparison. Nevertheless, United States cannot at this time afford neither these unnecessary, unwinnable wars of choice nor a massive overhaul of the health care system. And when we do finally have peace and can afford to address health care reform it must be a single payer system that includes a public option. But not now while our wars rage on.

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johnston.cliff 12/28/09 - 08:51 am
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Great, the cowardly Cain

Great, the cowardly Cain continues to justify his cowardice with partial truths and out right lies. Just what we need. Thanks Cain, but I think we already know you'd rather destroy this country than support national defense.

ron_rlw
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ron_rlw 12/28/09 - 08:53 am
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John...Cain .. So are you

John...Cain .. So are you telling us since we have wasted a trillion dollars on wars ... we should waste another trillion dollars on a health care plan that won't work?

seenitB4
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seenitB4 12/28/09 - 08:53 am
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I see the holidays made Cain

I see the holidays made Cain fresh & bushytailed this am...& so much energy.. Cain THEY WANT TO KILL US,, just this week we had another attack on a plane,,What do U suggest we do??

johnston.cliff
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johnston.cliff 12/28/09 - 08:55 am
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The illegal and

The illegal and unconstitutional surge toward total dominance by the federal government continues with this power grab poorly disguised as "obamacare". We've seen this exact scenario just recently with Chavez "saving" the people now trapped in the socialist paradise of Venezuela.

BadBoyd
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BadBoyd 12/28/09 - 08:55 am
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It must be sad when your only

It must be sad when your only thoughts are regurgitated cut and pastes from the archives of your own blog which were copied from other sites....how pathetic is that?

HollyHoly
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HollyHoly 12/28/09 - 09:14 am
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CBBP..everything goes up

CBBP..everything goes up anyways, regardless, that is the American way..that is old news. Good post GGpap and 1941,cain,springwater..

carcraft
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carcraft 12/28/09 - 09:16 am
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GGpap on Mon Dec 28, 2009

GGpap on Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:27 AM The CBO does not make it's estimates from opinion! This bill is horrible and Reid has "paid" senators from Nelson to Dodd to Landrau to vote for it with my tax dollars, even the Mafia couldn't get a deal that good, bribing government officials with government money!! Reid has probly spent a billion on pork barrel to get tis bill passed, but that's OK it is FREE...

RIPAmerica
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RIPAmerica 12/28/09 - 09:18 am
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Since it's a new thread....

Since it's a new thread.... Would any supporter of this health care legislation please share the improvements that will result if passed? Would they share how they will benefit from this if passed? Will they provide us with facts that support their claims? Would they care to respond to the fact of these "30 million uninsured" exactly ZERO live in poverty? Would some supporter please tell us why it is 20 million of the above mentioned 30 million are under age 26 and don't even WANT insurance? Please, oh healthcare legislation supporters, do tell us why you are so in love with the bill and save the "GOP did nothing" because it simply is NOT relevant. I have studied this, please tell me what I'm not seeing that should make me in favor of this legislation.

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