What part of 'no' don 't they get?

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Not even the facts will convince diehard liberals that Americans are knowingly rejecting the Democrats' horrific health-care bill.

A Quinnipiac University poll this week showed Americans oppose the Democrat bill 53 to 36 percent. A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll a day earlier put the opposition at 56 percent.

And that's before all the outrages in the bill become known. Example: The bill is said to single out the home-building industry for greater, crippling, obligations for health care than others. Why?

Yet, when reminded by conservative columnist George Will on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos that an amalgam of polls shows support for the Democrat bill hovers at a dismal 30 percent, liberal columnist Cokie Roberts seemed to indicate it's just a matter of a lack of communication.

"I think the Democrats lost control of the argument and of the message. And that's why the polls are as they are," she said.

What color Kool-Aid is she drinking? Democrats have control of the White House, the Senate, the House of Representatives -- and have lots of friends in most major news media -- and they've been unable to get their message out ?

That's just delusional. And an insult to Americans, who apparently are just so in the dark, according to Roberts -- after endless months of presidential speeches and TV appearances, town hall meetings and wall-to-wall congressional press conferences.

It's just not possible, in Cokie Roberts' world, that Americans could be truly informed if they're against the Democrats' takeover of health care. It just can't possibly be on the merits. Just pat us on the head, Cokie, and reassure us, "If only you knew that you're in such good hands!"

We know whose hands we're about to have our health care placed: The same hands that have rung up a $12 trillion deficit and promised us the moon with Social Security and Medicare -- and have proceeded to run those programs into the ground financially. The same hands that are selling their votes like hookers to get bigger shares of our national Treasury to give away as they like.

This is among the most disgraceful acts of any Congress in U.S. history.

Yet, if we're so supposedly ignorant about the magnificence of this bill, maybe the U.S. Senate is too. Otherwise, as George Will asked Sunday, "Why else ... did Sen. (Harry) Reid have to use the entire taxing and borrowing power of the federal government, plus a glorious absence of principle, to cobble together 60 votes ... ?"

Facts are facts. The fact is, Americans aren't children who must blindly trust the government or the media. And they have shown for months that they don't want this bill. Polls show the more they learn about the Democrats' proposals, the less they like them.

Not coincidentally, President Obama's approval rating has taken a historic swoon: A new Rasmussen Reports poll gives Obama a 56 percent disapproval rating.

What part of "no" don't these people understand?

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Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 12/24/09 - 11:53 am
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That's ONE...what about the

That's ONE...what about the NUMEROUS other polls we provided for you? And how can you support a bill that is drafted in secret and requires bribes to pass?

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corgimom 12/24/09 - 12:21 pm
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TTT, sure, I want to read the

TTT, sure, I want to read the bill. Where can I find it? You haven't read it either. Medicare is going broke. That is an undisputable fact. What are your ideas to keep it funded? You keep talking about how it's going to get cut, but what are your plans to keep it solvent? You don't have any? Well, you must. I'm interested. "More old people can die"? What was your plan for them, TTT, to live forever? What did people do before Medicare?

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 12/24/09 - 12:30 pm
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Have you read HR3200? I have.

Have you read HR3200? I have. What is YOUR plan?

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 12/24/09 - 12:33 pm
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What did people do before

What did people do before medicare....damn good question. They took care of their OWN medical needs. It was the socialist Government that started confiscating our money to pay for the medical needs of those who didn't plan for their future. I said it before....I will gladly opt out of ANY medicare benefit in exchange for a refund of all that I payed into it.

CorporalGripweed
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CorporalGripweed 12/24/09 - 12:37 pm
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This is a grand vote buying

This is a grand vote buying scheme aimed at insuring leftist control of the government for generations to come. If you think ANY of these people care about YOUR healthcare, you are delusional.

dinohntr
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dinohntr 12/24/09 - 12:43 pm
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Reform is needed, but not

Reform is needed, but not this type of reform.

So, say goodby to the America you know. Unless this bill crashes and burns before it is signed ito law, our only hope will be for people to challenge its constitutionality.

I understand that part of this bill will require most Americans to buy healthcare (if you are poor and needy, there will be government subsidies to assist.) What happens if one chooses to not buy health care insurance? - pay a penalty, go to jail? Since when is it constitutional to force people to buy insurance. And don't bring up auto insurance - it is on a state level and if you do not own a motor vehicle, you do not need to buy auto insurance.

Your children and grandchildren will be paying the bill for this travesty.

CorporalGripweed
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CorporalGripweed 12/24/09 - 01:31 pm
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No where in the constitution

No where in the constitution is Congress given the power to force you to buy a particular product.Insurance is clearly a product. Hopefully this will be declared unconstitutional and illegal and the Fascist Democratic Party of America will be resoundingly defeated in 2010 and 2012.

KSL
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KSL 12/24/09 - 01:42 pm
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Corgi, I can't believe you

Corgi, I can't believe you are not afraid for you and your son.

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 12/24/09 - 02:20 pm
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How constitutional is it for

How constitutional is it for the federal government to treat each state differently? This bill, if passed will NEVER stand up to a constitutional challenge.

TheFederalist
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TheFederalist 12/24/09 - 02:39 pm
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Sigh...once again....this is

Sigh...once again....this is NOT about providing you with free health care. It is simply a means to an end. You cannot get this type of massive expansion of government passed unless there is a "Crisis", real or imagined. The massive new taxation, unprecedented new regulatory powers to the IRS, hundreds of newly created government agencies, complex compliance codes, etc, will result in the largest expansion of government in our history. Oh, lets not forget to mention all the backdoor deals to come, in order to get the bill out of conference. Im sure that the members of the conference committee are jealous of the pork that Ben Nelson got for his state, so there will be others looking for the same for their votes. Political prostitutes, selling to the highest bidder. We are witness to the most corrupt congress in our history, and they are far from done. All with the tacit approval of the lamestream media which remains both deaf and dumb. Finally, when all is said and done, most americans will be paying more for their health care than they do today, and they will most likely be standing in line to recieve it. Can't afford it? No problem. The IRS will garnish your wages.

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dani 12/24/09 - 02:53 pm
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TheFed..,.Many will say,

TheFed..,.Many will say, "Which wages", so can the gov't please garnish any income including welfare, etc.

TheFederalist
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TheFederalist 12/24/09 - 03:08 pm
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I may be wrong, but the way I

I may be wrong, but the way I understand what little has been released, and it may change after conference, is that anyone not able to afford it will be provided with federal subsidies to pay for their healthcare. Once again, the burden of paying for this will fall squarely on the backs of the middle class and working poor. Also, unless it changes, the massive taxation will begin when the bill is signed by the president. The benefits will not begin until 2014. So, the answer, as I understand it, is that welfare, wic, afdc, etc, will not be taxed for this purpose. Only wages earned from an employer. Labor Unions seem to be the only exemption.

TheFederalist
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TheFederalist 12/24/09 - 03:24 pm
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Tigger, I sincerely hope you

Tigger, I sincerely hope you are correct. I also feel that it is blatantly unconstitional. However, imho, the matter will most likely end up before the supreme court. Our newest judge, sonia sotomayor, may be the deciding factor then, and I hope i'm wrong, but she may consider this a golden opportunity to pay back Mr. Hussein for nominating her to the court.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 12/24/09 - 04:03 pm
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Since we are all just

Since we are all just standing around on Christmas Eve watching Sean (Shawn to some in Georgia) try to figure out how to jack the pick-up truck higher, I thought I'd remind everyone it's going to a difficult test drive down the two lane blacktop out Furys Ferry where you go in McCormick County into SC when the gas taxes get so high you need a wheel barrow of plastic credit cards to buy a gallon of gas. The bike path up Evans to Lock Rd to the new Food Lion shopping center may necessarily become useful to more than the five people jogging I see out there everyday. Those corporate grocery store people out of Paris, France (not Texas) must know what they are doing.

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sjgraci 12/24/09 - 04:12 pm
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This editorial proves just

This editorial proves just how dishonest and how much jounalistic integrity the chronicle lacks. They state the 56% disapproval for the Senate bil yet conveniently ommit the break-out of those numbers. Only 39% disapprove because the bill is "too liberal". That's not a surprise. What is and the reason only 42% approve (another omission) is because Liberals also don't like it. 13% disapprove because the bill is "not liberal enough". A bill that would have included a Public Option and was left of center that this moderate bill lacks and is would have seen approval above 50%. Cokie Roberts a "Liberal" Give me a break. Liberals can't stand her.

sjgraci
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sjgraci 12/24/09 - 04:15 pm
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Bottom Line: Passage of the

Bottom Line: Passage of the House and Senate bills are a huge win for President Obama and the Democrats. It's not as good as it could or should have been but it's better than the status quo that the Republicans offered.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 12/24/09 - 04:21 pm
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Come on, Sig, you know it's

Come on, Sig, you know it's time to put everyone back to working for what they use. We need jobs where people can pay for health care and everything else. We can't keep up the check kiting. You are smart and know that.

HollyHoly
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HollyHoly 12/24/09 - 04:30 pm
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Merry WooT!!!

Merry WooT!!!

TheFederalist
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TheFederalist 12/24/09 - 04:31 pm
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And this "Huge Win" will

And this "Huge Win" will burden many unborn generations to come with a debt that they cannot pay. We are a broken country financially, and yet the insane spending continues. Every senator or congressman who voted for this fiasco will be fighting for their political careers next election, and most of those that are poisoned by their vote will be gone. Starting with Whorehouse Harry Reid, who already knows he will most likely not be re-elected, as he totally disregarded the will of most of nevada, the same folks that sent him to washington. Mr. Hussein may indeed get his "Huge Win", but the Dems will pay the price at the polls next election. Especially when the massive taxation of every american begins, and they get nothing for their money until 2014. Bottom Line: Let's see how Cokie Roberts and sigraci feel about it then, shall we?

KSL
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KSL 12/24/09 - 04:41 pm
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Sig, I hope you wind up as

Sig, I hope you wind up as happy with it as you are now. Do you have relative who will benefit. I assume that you, yourself don't expect to. Maybe I give you too much credit.

KSL
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KSL 12/24/09 - 04:42 pm
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relatives

relatives

shivas
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shivas 12/24/09 - 04:51 pm
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Let's see, Obama ran on

Let's see, Obama ran on healthcare reform, was catapulted to a landslide victory; right-winger's who ran against reform were swept out of office. Now, Obama has won a historic victory on what he promised, and somehow the AC says the American people are against this. Incredible. What a great Christmas present Obama has given us. Peace on Earth.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 12/24/09 - 05:11 pm
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Shivas, have you been

Shivas, have you been watching the news a lot? You think President Obama has given us "peace on earth"? That's a religious term accredited to Obama that puts Congressional vote bribery in the New Testament.

Serioun
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Serioun 12/24/09 - 05:20 pm
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Riverman1, I appreciate your

Riverman1, I appreciate your calm and intelligent response. Do I like the way some things have turned out (the back room deals), NO!! But I must be real about the situation, this is the first time we have gotten this far. For 70 years we have been trying to get this done. 70 years, and in this there were good times. Where we all had it, taxes and unemployment was low. Alas, we or they wouldn't so will we have to pay more for it 70 years latter yes!! But that is the cost of politicians who sold us out to make big corporations rich and line their pockets. But it still has to be done!! So what we must do now, it to take a good look at things that remain in the wings, make sure we don't leave them to rot for 70 years....we could start with education. I think there should be a national law that a certain % of our gross product should go to education, and it should be against the law to have cuts in eduction, whether it be salary's, personnel, classes for the gifted and academically challenged. If we don't we will have over 1/2 of the people in this country with college degrees from foreign countries. Let's suck this up, but vow to never be caught with our wallest empty again!

TheFederalist
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TheFederalist 12/24/09 - 05:23 pm
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Shivas, let's see. Obama also

Shivas, let's see. Obama also ran on the following: Negotiate health care reform in public sessions televised on C-SPAN (FAIL) Create a $3,000 tax credit for companies that add jobs (FAIL) Allow penalty-free hardship withdrawals from retirement accounts in 2008 and 2009 (FAIL) Tougher rules against revolving door for lobbyists and former officials (FAIL) End income tax for seniors making less than $50,000 (FAIL) I could go on......
OH, and let's not forget that his presidency was promised to be the most open, and BIPARTISAN in history. Wonder what happend to that? What an incredible mess Mr. Hussein has forced upon us this Christmas. Peace on Earth is a nice thought though! 8)

Riverman1
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Riverman1 12/24/09 - 05:34 pm
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Serioun, I appreciate you

Serioun, I appreciate you ability to keep an open mind, too. From your last post, the biggest difference we have is your opinion of corporations. Corporations are entities that are nothing more than individuals banded together in investments. They have the same legal rights as an individual. Keep in mind, they not only pay taxes on their profits, but each individual shareholder also pays taxes on profits. Does that sound fair?

StillaGOP
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StillaGOP 12/24/09 - 05:54 pm
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At 52 yeas old, I have never

At 52 yeas old, I have never been asked/polled as to what my opinion is on any political matter...where do they get these people? My personal belief is that by the time November 2011 gets here unemployed will be at 20% and every working American will be approaching 50% tax rate, not by income status at today's rate but as a result of the tax and spend. The democrats are somewhat like Robinhood take from those who work and give it to those who don't and you'll be sure to keep you job. And that's what's it's all about, the power of being in charge, not helping the American citizen. Politicians work off of the philosophy that they are in control of our lives and they must keep that to stay in office. Ever see a bankrupt senator, regardless of party affiliation?

Serioun
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Serioun 12/25/09 - 12:42 am
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Riverman1, only they profits

Riverman1, only they profits or share of the market is not manipulate or given unfair advantage over others by the political affiliatations. Such is the case of the health insureres players in this game. They are so corrupted and concentrated on greed, that they don't sell a good or service, they force it upon you by having a monopoly. This monopoly is afford them by politicans. Believe me, the big loosers (and I believe they would have been even bigger loosers if we had the public option) are ATNEA, Blue Cross Blue Shield, Humana, ect...instead of making billions, they will make millions, but hopefully the market will open up so that we really can have competive choices. And know I will not be affected since I have (right now any way) firm health insurance for life (my husband in retired US Army), yet I still feel for others. My blessing means nothing to me if 1 person is denied care for cancer or a child doesn't get care for a broken leg or pink eye. THat's crazy, this is life we are talking about, and there will be no taxes collected or profits given for dead folks.

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