What part of 'no' don 't they get?

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Not even the facts will convince diehard liberals that Americans are knowingly rejecting the Democrats' horrific health-care bill.

A Quinnipiac University poll this week showed Americans oppose the Democrat bill 53 to 36 percent. A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll a day earlier put the opposition at 56 percent.

And that's before all the outrages in the bill become known. Example: The bill is said to single out the home-building industry for greater, crippling, obligations for health care than others. Why?

Yet, when reminded by conservative columnist George Will on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos that an amalgam of polls shows support for the Democrat bill hovers at a dismal 30 percent, liberal columnist Cokie Roberts seemed to indicate it's just a matter of a lack of communication.

"I think the Democrats lost control of the argument and of the message. And that's why the polls are as they are," she said.

What color Kool-Aid is she drinking? Democrats have control of the White House, the Senate, the House of Representatives -- and have lots of friends in most major news media -- and they've been unable to get their message out ?

That's just delusional. And an insult to Americans, who apparently are just so in the dark, according to Roberts -- after endless months of presidential speeches and TV appearances, town hall meetings and wall-to-wall congressional press conferences.

It's just not possible, in Cokie Roberts' world, that Americans could be truly informed if they're against the Democrats' takeover of health care. It just can't possibly be on the merits. Just pat us on the head, Cokie, and reassure us, "If only you knew that you're in such good hands!"

We know whose hands we're about to have our health care placed: The same hands that have rung up a $12 trillion deficit and promised us the moon with Social Security and Medicare -- and have proceeded to run those programs into the ground financially. The same hands that are selling their votes like hookers to get bigger shares of our national Treasury to give away as they like.

This is among the most disgraceful acts of any Congress in U.S. history.

Yet, if we're so supposedly ignorant about the magnificence of this bill, maybe the U.S. Senate is too. Otherwise, as George Will asked Sunday, "Why else ... did Sen. (Harry) Reid have to use the entire taxing and borrowing power of the federal government, plus a glorious absence of principle, to cobble together 60 votes ... ?"

Facts are facts. The fact is, Americans aren't children who must blindly trust the government or the media. And they have shown for months that they don't want this bill. Polls show the more they learn about the Democrats' proposals, the less they like them.

Not coincidentally, President Obama's approval rating has taken a historic swoon: A new Rasmussen Reports poll gives Obama a 56 percent disapproval rating.

What part of "no" don't these people understand?

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1941
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1941 12/24/09 - 09:50 am
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ACES; What do you call the

ACES; What do you call the people that live in america, and WANT, the healthcare package????

SoonerorLater
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SoonerorLater 12/24/09 - 09:51 am
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the minority!!!

the minority!!!

1941
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1941 12/24/09 - 09:52 am
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The fifty-two percent that

The fifty-two percent that voted for the president, do not have to say anything, we just SHOW you!!!!!

Riverman1
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Riverman1 12/24/09 - 09:56 am
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"We know whose hands we're

"We know whose hands we're about to have our health care placed: The same hands that have rung up a $12 trillion deficit and promised us the moon with Social Security and Medicare -- and have proceeded to run those programs into the ground financially.".... We know IN whose hands we're about to have everything placed. One way or another, the goal is to have everyone with the same health care, house, land, income or whatever it may be. Those with money saved will have it taken by inflation. Those who own farms bigger than necessary to support themselves are next. Land reform. From Rhodesia to Zimbabwe on a bigger scale.

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Brad Owens 12/24/09 - 10:00 am
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1941, on the government dole

1941, on the government dole already? Over educated liberals with no moral compass? Under educated members of conress with not foot on the ground? How about just plain old dumb?

John Locke
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John Locke 12/24/09 - 10:02 am
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Thieves!! Thieves this

Thieves!! Thieves this morning are robbing us of our property, which is our money, which is what we get for our labor, which means we are now working for the state who claims our labor, our money and our property. We are slaves to the government! Property less people will vote for those who take others property and give it to them. Thieves!!

Serioun
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Serioun 12/24/09 - 10:04 am
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We part of yes don't you

We part of yes don't you understand, Chronicle journalists (and I use the world journaists lightly). 56% of the people polled are for Health Reform. Now there is a % of people not included in this poll. let's say 25% of the population. You might ask who are they, let me name them; 18-24 years of age who don't have home phones only cells, don't read the paper except on line and are unemployed or under employed; the poor who have no computers, get assistance and minimum to no health benefits; the elderly who could care less about computers and are not of the era of answering to no one especially pollsters. You see the demographics of the United States has changed without your permission. Oh, and remember the 30 million people who will be covered who weren't are voters, and that's Change you can believe in!! Merry Christmas!!

Riverman1
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Riverman1 12/24/09 - 10:04 am
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Everyone relax. We have a few

Everyone relax. We have a few years before this thing kicks off. We can regain control of Congress and the executive branch and change or throw the whole thing in the trash can before then.

FaceTheMusic
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FaceTheMusic 12/24/09 - 10:19 am
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The people don't know what's

The people don't know what's in this bill. They have been lied to so much by the Republicans, who are using their usual tactic of fear mongering. Once it becomes clear what's in the bill, the vast majority of Americans will appreciate it, just like they do Medicare and Social Security--two other pieces of legislation the Republicans viciously opposed.

55 F-100
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55 F-100 12/24/09 - 10:21 am
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Vote out the first wave of

Vote out the first wave of traitors who voted for this "obamanation" in 2010, and vote out the next wave along with the mulatto muslim mesiah in the 2012, and send them together in one last swirl around the bowl. Merry Christmas!

FaceTheMusic
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FaceTheMusic 12/24/09 - 10:23 am
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Another day, another AC rant

Another day, another AC rant against Obama. Let me take another nap!

Riverman1
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Riverman1 12/24/09 - 10:26 am
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Serioun, you are telling the

Serioun, you are telling the truth. The demographics have changed. You named the categories of those who want health care benefits well. I agree it would be nice if we could give it to them without them paying anything, but where is the money going to come from? Those working or those who saved for their old age will have to pay is the truth. In a capitalistic system, you have to work to have things.

crackerjack
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crackerjack 12/24/09 - 10:30 am
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Obama, Reid and Pelosi

Obama, Reid and Pelosi promised the Dems that lose their seats in 2010 will be given jobs with the administration. They can replace the Chicago crooks he has appointed already.

jb5365
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jb5365 12/24/09 - 10:45 am
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Riverman, after bush there

Riverman, after bush there are very few people that have the jobs or the savings they had before. Why? Government gone wild. If you relax the laws and rules then the folks that are in charge of the money make their own rules. Never play in a game where you have no say in the rules...DUH. Liberals loaned the auto industry and banking industry money to keep them solvent. Now they`re paying it back, with interest. But if you don`t watch, they`ll start up with the "bonuses" and rewards they can give to their leaders. And that sounds kind of Socialist or Marxist to me. Gov`t. didn`t take over those industries, repugs did...

jb5365
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jb5365 12/24/09 - 10:46 am
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Oh, and enjoy your

Oh, and enjoy your healthcare!!

poke-check
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poke-check 12/24/09 - 10:52 am
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The left wingers are drunk on

The left wingers are drunk on power and running wild. Obama and the liberals are writing checks their butts can't cash. Kruschev stated in 1963 that our own working class would bury us. A very prophetic statement and one that looks to be coming to pass. The spending this administration is promoting in the name of the working class is building a tremendous mound of debt that will eventually bury us all.

butler123
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butler123 12/24/09 - 10:54 am
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Seems like it is the way it

Seems like it is the way it has been since last Jan. no one cares what the people want or don't want. Hope you guys enjoy those new parking meters everyone seems to be against.

dani
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dani 12/24/09 - 10:55 am
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"Once it becomes clear what's

"Once it becomes clear what's in the bill, the vast majority of Americans will appreciate it, just like they do Medicare and Social Security--two other pieces of"...
Okay, Face, when will the dems enlighten
us.

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Riverman1
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Riverman1 12/24/09 - 11:05 am
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JB5365, blame it on

JB5365, blame it on Republicans. Yep, you know it stinks, too, and you want to shift the blame. Let's make the rules simple enough for those waiting in lottery lines to understand. If you want something, no matter what it is, you pay for it. Fair enough?

apex24
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apex24 12/24/09 - 11:06 am
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Bushwacky, you have

Bushwacky, you have absolutely no credibility on the subject of the government or Southern culture. You already have been made a fool of with that ignorant 59% approval rating for Obama. Soooo, try something else and let see how really stupid you are!!!!!

baronvonreich
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baronvonreich 12/24/09 - 11:14 am
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When are they going to listen

When are they going to listen to what the taxpayers are saying? If we the people ever find a true leader to follow there will be a revolution in this country that will go down in history. Our government has chosen to ignore what we want. They have closed their ears to what the people are saying. I don't care what you are. If you're a taxpayer then we share a common interest.
Posted by nofrills on Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:01 AM --- You have one in Ron Paul. Embrace true reform and shrinkage of government not increased government who increases the debt ceiling yearly and continually props up this fiscally unsustainable house of cards.

imdstuf
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imdstuf 12/24/09 - 11:36 am
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How was the question posed?

How was the question posed? Both sides pose questions in a way to get the results they want. Just like the head of IMAX saying supposedly only 2% of the people were unhappy with these new small retro fitted IMAXs like in Augusta.

johnston.cliff
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johnston.cliff 12/24/09 - 11:52 am
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The extremely foolish and

The extremely foolish and extremely misinformed and uninformed voters that put this mad Marxist and his congress in office have learned to pay a little better attention to their actions. This mess will be cleaned up in 2010 and 2012, but the damage done by then may prevent any elections after today. Time will tell. Un-passing the collapse of America (called Obamacare) can be done with a few law suits that shows most of this mess is unconstitutional. All is not yet lost, but the damage done is going to be long term.

dani
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dani 12/24/09 - 12:05 pm
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I remain suspicious of any

I remain suspicious of any plan that was written behind closed doors, is forced through by hook or crook, and a plan not good enough for Federal and union workers.

corgimom
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corgimom 12/24/09 - 12:11 pm
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"and promised us the moon

"and promised us the moon with Social Security and Medicare -- and have proceeded to run those programs into the ground financially." I thought that this Congress is cutting Medicare. TTT, help me out here.

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 12/24/09 - 12:21 pm
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Corgi...the plan IS to cut

Corgi...the plan IS to cut medicare, which should make you happy.....more old people can die. You really should read this legislation before you parrot what you have heard. Hope that helps.

Pu239
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Pu239 12/24/09 - 12:26 pm
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Things that seemed like a
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Things that seemed like a good idea at the time. Pet rocks.....8-tracks.........popped collars..........Hammer pants....Spuds McKenzie......New Coke........ObamaCare.

grouse
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grouse 12/24/09 - 12:37 pm
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I've read some of the polls
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I've read some of the polls and you have to look at all of them, not just a few. We liberals are upset that the bill did not go far enough with universal health care for all and other provisions. That is what's skewing the numbers on the more general question. It does not mean that liberals and others don't want real change

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 12/24/09 - 12:41 pm
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OK grouse.........show us the

OK grouse.........show us the polls that show favorable reaction toward this monstrosity that was passed against the will of the people. We'll be waiting.

grouse
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grouse 12/24/09 - 12:45 pm
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www.pollingreport.com Read
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www.pollingreport.com Read the generalized questions and look at the results and then read the more specific questions and look at the results and a pattern appears. I'm very unhappy with this bill and would be against it in its present form. Hopefully, the House can clean it up, but, frankly, I think it's a long shot. Still, it's a beginning.

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