Government-run health care works

Can anyone give some documented evidence where government run healthcare works with no rationing and with the same level of care that we have in the US?

The government now says there is billions in waste and fraud in medicare, by the governments own admission (the government wants to us this "waste" to help pay for health care) and this bozo LTE thinks government can run health care when they can't even run a d*mn web site?

J M Bower, you make the ACES point. Only those existing on the government trough feel this silly government health care takeover is a good idea. You'll still get yours.

Nowhere in Mr. Bower's letter did he say he was "existing on the government trough" (your infelicitous way of saying his family is directly subsidized by the government). You willfully assume, even in the presence of evidence to the contrary, that those who support healthcare reform are beneficiaries of current government "entitlement programs". Some are, of course, but many of us pay for our insurance through our non-government employers, yet can clearly see the abuses in the system.

I can see Mr.Bower's point.The feds have done such a wonderful job with every other program and they will do just as good with healh care rationing.

I wonder how those in medical school feel about removing the profit incentive. I wonder how the drug companies that spend their own billions in research to find new medicines and treatments, which may or may not ever be approved and turn a profit, feel about it. The list goes on. I do agree with the VA doing it's best to provide quality care to VETERANS. However, not so much with the rest of the letter. With no motivation to show a gain, there is no reason to strive for constant improvement.

THRU various govt programs such as medicare the govt already has about 50 percent control of the health care field. where are the savings if they are so efficient. so the arguement that the new health care bill will save hundreds of billions in waste and fraud is laughable. its the very control or lack of control by the govt that produced this waste more control will only lead to more waste. and like it or not it is profit that has given us innovations in the medical field not govt. no the govt stinks at mangement and they are the problem. giving them more control is a recipe for utter disaster and they simply are the problem and not to be trusted.

The social security system brought the elderly out of poverty. Medicare provides healthcare. Medicaid currently pays for more than half of the births in Georgia to cover pre natal care. The VA healthcare system cdovers veterans and dependents.

While no system is perfexct, the government (we the people) provide roads, education, police protection, fire safety, military protection, and other necessities. How selfish can you be to deny healthcare to the lane and the halt? Sick children, parents families and individuals are dying for lack of care. Let's stop this tragedy.

SADIE you just listed all those programs for the needy. however they are all broke by mismanagement by the govt. there are other ways to show compassion to the needy like teaching them that theses hand outs come from real people not govt. also we can teach them to work etc just giving things to people is NOT compassion. and do not call us selfish we are taxpayers and most of give to charities. no one is being denied quit the lies.

Well Bower, I am a vet too and use the Augusta VA. When it takes over a year to get an appt with a specialist AFTER your primary care Dr requested it, well I'd say THAT IS NOT WORKING too well. I believe most people would agree. Medicare broke, medicaid broke--yep working well. For profit companies??? I guess you work for nothing! Ho Hum, another ignorant dem sheeple!

The VA healthcare covers some, not all veterans and a dependent is covered if the veteran is 100% combat disabled. Then the wife gets care.
The VA here in Augusta is one of the best VA medical centers in the country. One reason for that is the relationship with MCG which provides many of the attending doctors as well as residents and interns. The Spinal Cord, Blind Rehab and other units are seldom available at other VA Medical Centers, nor is the quality of staff as good as here.
It is too bad that so many VAMCs can not hold a candle to the care our veterans get here in Augusta. And by they way, their service on YOUR behalf paid their way.

I do believe that insurance companies need to be accountable and I do think that they have been given to much authority when it comes to our health, we are not getting the best quality of healthcare when an insurance company and not a doctor can dictate how long you need to stay in the hospital after surgery or what procedures you can or cannot get, there is a break down there and people are suffering because of it. I also believe that lower wage working families need access to affordable health care, do I believe our government can provide it without the working class suffering the expense of it? NO...

A bi-partisan amendment has been introduced into the Senate HC debate requiring ALL members of Congress and the executive branch to enroll in any "public option" which may pass. The howling objections from the DEM were reportedly heard all the way to Copenhagen, interrupting the removal of all Christmas trees from the "ClimateScam Summit" Venue. Dream on folks, HC "reform" is as dead as Tiger Wood's marriage. "It's the economy, stupid."

5:00 so you kill the patient to take a splinter out of his finger? How can you say , "the govn't can provide it??? What have they been successful at yet???? I mean even you can't be that blind, ignorant, and gullible--unless you are still in your training pants!

Yeah govt health care works, fine examples of that smashing success can be found in Canada and Great Britain

sadie, if the goal of the Democratic Party was to supply healthcare to those truly in need, they would not have any problem getting the legislation passed. And, it would not take over 2000 pages of legalize to make it happen. Unfortunately, for those in need and the taxpayers, this isn't the case.

The govn't says the GOVN'T RUN program medicaid is rift with fraud, yet claim they can run this program better. If the GOVN'T would take care of all the fraud, waste and abuse in the medicaid program, there would be no need for a health care overhaul!

Brave, we don't have to go abroad to find examples of ineficiencies in government run health care. Just look at the rationing going on in California and New York. The two states are about to go bankrupt.

Eliminate fraud and abuses....yes. Socialized "Obamacare" medicine......NO!

If you are currently being served by one of the existing Government health care programs and it works for you, that is beautiful. If you currently have private health care and it works for you, that is also beautiful. To have the choice of health care is a beautiful thing. Thankfully, the legislation currently being considered by both houses of Convicts cannot get enough DEM votes to pass. I've learned to relax over anything the current Convicts or Pretender does as it will all be nullified by the next self serving batch elected in 2010.

Even Orwell, (himself an avowed socialist), saw the danger of government bureaucracy run amok. Those who don't want to take from those who do, it's as simple as that. It's a strong temptation I'll admit, but one which will capsize the ship by becoming so top heavy as to reach the point of unsustainability. Are we so blind that we can't see this?

GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE WORKS--if that is so, why is both medicaid and medicare broke, Mr Bower? Why must you have supplemental medicare insureance, Mr Bower? The only thing that works is medicaid for the entitlement crowd and the only reason it is not totally broke is because the govn't can print more money!

RIP- Five Democratic Senators have signed onto Sen. Coburn's amendment requiring all members of Congress enroll in the new public insurance option. Those 5 Democratic Senators are: Brown, Mikulski, Dodd, Feingold and Franken. Republican co-sponsors are Vitter, Burr and Hatch.

A public option might--MIGHT-- work if the plan were set up to run efficiently and if medical decisions were made by physicians in conjunction with the patients affected. The only success govt health care services have had, worldwide, is in effectively disrupting the economies of the countries that provide them, while reducing the quantity and quality of medical care for the very people footing the ginormous bill. Why don't you stop being so obtuse and just look around, Mr. Bower. Do you honestly want what passes for health care in Great Britain, or Italy? It's all just wonderful until you get old or really sick.

Teharper: yes, I am fully aware of that. See my post from yesterday on that VERY amendment. I'd prefer not repeating myself.

Sorry: 7.43am post on this very thread, not yesterday.

Mr Bower, please tell us which country is able to provide government run health care that is not running into money trouble.

If the Dems were honestly looking out for us there would be some type of tort reform in the 2000 plus pages.

You are dead on slip!!!!

"both houses of Convicts"- that was pretty funny.