Obama's dangerous show trial

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Its decision to try five 9-11 terrorists in a New York courtroom betrays a fundamental and frightening naivete at work in the Obama administration.

The administration believes these are mere criminals, not international terrorists. It believes the terrorists are deserving of the most cherished constitutional protections that are an American birthright.

And, most naively, the administration seems to think that affording these terrorists the comfort and rights and soapbox of a U.S. criminal defendant will endear the country to others around the world.

This is, in short, a show trial - and not in any conventional sense. It's an attempt by the Obama administration to show the world how sweet and tolerant we can be, even with the world's worst mass murderers and terrorists.

It's a horrendously dangerous ploy. Mr. Obama is playing with dynamite in the hopes it will make others like him more.

It will give the terrorists as-of-yet undetermined access to valuable and sensitive national security intelligence. It will give the terrorists an American pedestal from which to spew anti-American propaganda and embolden their comrades around the world. And it risks the very real possibility that the defendants - including 9-11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed - will be acquitted.

Remember: They thought they had O.J. Simpson dead to rights. Never underestimate the uncertainty of an American courtroom.

If anything, this show trial will likely showcase the circus atmosphere that envelops many American courtrooms that are twisted into unrecognizable contortions by wily defense attorneys and gullible judges.

"It's a risky move," admits the Associated Press. "Trying the men in civilian court will bar evidence obtained under duress ..."

You have to wonder if the decision was, in part, a rebuke of the Bush administration's prosecution of the war on terror - a statement that, hey, if the Bush folks didn't "gather evidence" properly enough for a U.S. courtroom, then it's their fault.

In that light, the Obama administration may want to use this trial as an indictment of the Bush administration as much as a test of the suspects' guilt.

"The case is likely to force the federal court to confront a host of difficult issues," writes the Associated Press' David B. Caruso, "including rough treatment of detainees (and) sensitive intelligence gathering ..."

It's no secret liberals look on much of the evidence against Mohammed with utter contempt - as "tainted," having come with some amount of coercion the type of which you don't normally see on prime time television programs.

Nor is it any secret that many, including some currently in the halls of power, would love for Bush administration officials to be on trial alongside Mohammed. The next best thing, of course, is to put on a trial that throws out the Bush approach as inadmissible in a court of law.

In truth, the evidence against Mr. Mohammed is tainted only by a high-priced New York defense attorney's standards. That's not the kind of standard we need to bring to the war against an enemy who would just as soon kill us as look at us.

"The plan seems to abandon the view that we are involved in a war," says former Attorney General Michael Mukasey.

Mukasey's view should carry some weight: He was the judge for the trial after the 1993 World Trade Center terrorist attack.

"Although the defendants were convicted," writes The Wall Street Journal, "Mr. Mukasey has said the experience persuaded him that federal courts were not equipped to handle sensitive terrorism trials."

This decision is an abomination, and a most dangerous and regrettable precedent. Even if convictions are secured, they will come at great damage to our security and our ability to fight terrorists around the world.

The administration's decision to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay and transfer terror suspects to U.S. prisons - which still keeps them detained without a trial, but apparently looks good to the world - is another move that indicates Obama, to paraphrase Billy Crystal's Saturday Night Live character, thinks it's better to look good than to be safe.

We vigorously disagree.

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wizzardx1
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wizzardx1 11/17/09 - 03:17 am
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See Cloward-Piven

See Cloward-Piven strategy/obama

justus4
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justus4 11/17/09 - 05:56 am
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The observation of the ACES
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The observation of the ACES are typical of cowards of the Constitution and completely political. The proof is that the Bush administration FAILED to seek justice and now, they want to inject fear into the process. Fear will not work this time - Americans are a tough bunch. Eight yrs of jail without charges - a direct violation of "due process" clause and the excuses are all based on a theory of fear, or "we can't give them the same rights as citizens." Some educated citizens remember their parents being told the exact same thing by a so-called Constitutional Democracy. (Native-Americans, A.A., Asian- Americans) Then, years down the road, the American government can say, "well, we are sorry or we were wrong to imprison your families." All historical mistakes during WWII-All in violation of the US Constitution. So, we either ALWAYS follow the Constitution or we become a sham democracy in words only. Ya see, it's HARD holding to your principles AND values which the president and A.J. is demonstrating. It EASY to yap about fear and some imagined superiority, but this decision is bold. It shows a solid belief in the spirit of our founding documents, while opponents fear its strength.

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Riverman1 11/17/09 - 06:06 am
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It appears Obama and the left

It appears Obama and the left have created a dilemma for themselves. They have avowed to close Gitmo and don't know what to do with the terrorists. They can't let them go and putting them in a U.S. max security prison is going to seem so inhumane to the precious little darlings. So they are going to try to show how liberal they are by having a trial at a cost of much embarrassment to this country...and then they will put them in the prison...something far worse than Gitmo. Bush was actually being humane to the prisoners by putting them there instead of in U.S. prisons.

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carcraft 11/17/09 - 06:29 am
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Obumbler strikes again. Two

Obumbler strikes again. Two years after Obumbler has been voted out these stupid trials will still be going on! Look at the trial of Zacarious Moussaoui, his trial started Dec 11, 2001 and he was found guilty on May 3, 2006. Look for a really big show with America, George Bush and the CIA on trial instead of those who killed over 3,000 people!!

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bushwhacker 11/17/09 - 06:53 am
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very well put justus

very well put justus

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 11/17/09 - 07:20 am
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these terrorist should not

these terrorist should not have been given rights under the geneva accords they were non-uniformed and not identified with a particular country as combatants. it only appplies to uniformed captives this was to try to protect cilivans from soldiers hiding behind the general public. these people are cowards killing defenseless cilivans who were not at war with anyone. it has been argued that these were civilians targets, is the pentagon a cilivan target???rights in a civilian trial includes the miranda rights, the rights to all evidence and how it was obtained and the right to appeal. do we really want to show the enemy our methods of obtaining information that has been used to protect us from further attacks. its absurd our rights are not guarenteed to non-citizens who commit terrorist attacks on the us. they should be shot on the spot like spies in ww2 who were not following the geneva conventions and out of uniform..

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Nativeson1 11/17/09 - 07:21 am
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Having an intelligent

Having an intelligent discussion about the rule of law and venue with ACES and some of it's readers is a waste of time so why bother...The only thing NOT putting these terroist on trial back in NY will show is that Amrican is still afraid of them...I know that's what I would think if it were me chilling at Gitmo...Funny how the same people who beat the war drum and talk about taking on these people are the very ones shivering at the thought of them coming here to stand trial...I think this oppositon is moreso about opposing the POTUS more than anything else...As for Moussaoui, where was the opposition when he was put on trial? Who was the POTUS then??? It certainly wasn't President Obama, so why now is there such outspoken opposition and condemnation for this decision??? I know the answer, and it's nothing but right-winged hypocrisy... Moussaoui also wanted a death sentence, and he got life without the possibility of parole (which in the federal system really means life w/o parole)..I think that is exactly how you deal with someone who doesn't want to live and only wants to die and go to his version of heaven...Moving on...

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nofanofobama 11/17/09 - 07:28 am
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also justus when you listen

also justus when you listen to supporters of this absurd policy they will tell you that if they are acquitted they will be immediately arrested for some other crime. b/4 your precious trial it is already known that they will not be freed for any reason. some show trial quility b/4 evidence is presented quility if acquitted this will really show the world we are fair. THIS IS JOKE ALL THE WAY AROUND and a farce by the administration and completely unneccesary. treat these thugs the way they trreated our citizens.

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Rhetor 11/17/09 - 07:39 am
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It is so very sad that so

It is so very sad that so many so-called conservatives have so little confidence in our long-established criminal justice system.

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nofanofobama 11/17/09 - 07:49 am
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you right rhetor thats why oj

you right rhetor thats why oj walked as well as many other thugs . the halls of so called justice is filled with law making judges. that let lawbreakers walk for technicalities.

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carcraft 11/17/09 - 07:56 am
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Even the DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR

Even the DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK recognizes this is stupid...stupid is as stupid does..Forrest Gump

convertedsoutherner
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convertedsoutherner 11/17/09 - 08:02 am
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America broke and we'll spend

America broke and we'll spend millions on this farce of a trial. They will make a joke out of the American justice system and our entire country. While prezbho goes overseas and apoligizes to all our enemies and bows to their leaders our country continues to spiral downward. If you're not concerned - you must be a lib (and that proves you're not paying attention)...

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Notreally 11/17/09 - 08:02 am
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Wow still hate, Obama can't

Wow still hate, Obama can't do NOTHING right in the eyes of conservatives/racist/republicans. Sips my cup of tea.

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DontdrinkdaKoolaid 11/17/09 - 08:03 am
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Nice try Justus but your

Nice try Justus but your point is flawed: These are not Americans. They're foreign nationals who committed and act of war against the US. A military tribunal is the way this should have been handled. You did, as usual, find a way to inject race into the conversation.

wizzardx1
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wizzardx1 11/17/09 - 08:06 am
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justus is afraid to read what

justus is afraid to read what is posted at Cloward-Piven strategy/obama

wizzardx1
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wizzardx1 11/17/09 - 08:08 am
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justus is drowning in self

justus is drowning in self pity,having been the victim all his life.

convertedsoutherner
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convertedsoutherner 11/17/09 - 08:13 am
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As usual libs can't tell us

As usual libs can't tell us why this farce of a trial is a good idea - they continue to be so threatened by anything/anyone conservative, call names and attack the messengers of the truth. If you're not concerned - You're not paying attention...

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terry67 11/17/09 - 08:18 am
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We can fix this in the future

We can fix this in the future real easy.....KILL ALL ENEMY COMBATENTS!_____Take no prisoners. I mean thats basically what they do to americans? Oh wait they kill us on camera to make a point....Well we need to make OUR point! Kill em' all.

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Buckeye 11/17/09 - 08:22 am
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Let them have their day in

Let them have their day in court. All you people know is what you hear on TV...maybe their are facts that have not been made public. I don't support terrorist, 9/11 was the reason I joined the military, but I think everyone has the right to fair trial, terrorist or not.

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johnston.cliff 11/17/09 - 08:23 am
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As time goes on and it

As time goes on and it becomes more difficult for Obama to blame every mistake in his life on Bush, it becomes more clear that this T.I.D.E.S. puppet is in way over his head. His inability to speak without a working teleprompter, his constant anti-American comments and decisions, his groveling before other world leaders and his disdain for capitalism all point toward a sad imitation of Carter. So far, his endless missteps are leading down the same path of mistakes already made by both Carter and Clinton. This foolish mission of the show trials is as wise as his apology tours and his insane drive to bankrupt the country. wizardx is right, anyone who hasn't read the Cloward-Piven statgy and doesn't know what the T.I.D.E.S. organization is, has no idea what this puppet is doing.

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johnston.cliff 11/17/09 - 08:29 am
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Did anyone see the best

Did anyone see the best question of the year asked by one of the hand picked Chinese students? The student asked if Obama had any tips on how to win the Nobel Prize. The witty and wonderful president of the U.S. was unable to take advantage of the situation. He just looked at the floor while pacing and mumbled something about, "....no tips".

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dashiel 11/17/09 - 08:30 am
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Two questions. How do we

Two questions. How do we know there will be a trial? Isn't sentencing more likely with a confession? I believe in our justice system and am confident that it works for ALL. It is also reassuring that our attorney general has more experience as a prosecutor than any in history. The Chronicle is being alarmist in calling this a show trial when NO trial is more likely.

wizzardx1
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wizzardx1 11/17/09 - 08:30 am
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notreally;google

notreally;google Cloward-Piven strategy/obama and you can see for yourself.That is IF you DARE.

wizzardx1
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wizzardx1 11/17/09 - 08:34 am
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I invite ANY hussein

I invite ANY hussein supporter to go to cloward-piven/obama,read what is there,and then defend hussein.

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disssman 11/17/09 - 08:40 am
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I would really like to know

I would really like to know what secrets a 15 year old captured 6 7 years ago would have about either side that may topple our government? I assume that was why he, the Canadian kid, was placed in solitary confinement. Just what information are the CONS so worried about being given in a trial?

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55 F-100 11/17/09 - 08:46 am
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During the waiting period

During the waiting period before the trial, split up the terrorists, send them individually to different prisons across the U.S., place the terrorist in the general population at each prison, and within one week.......problem solved. No trial, no waste of time and money, and the prisoners can take pride in eliminating the murdering muslims, and Prezbhojangles loses his opportunity to scrutinize the interrogation tactics.

convertedsoutherner
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convertedsoutherner 11/17/09 - 08:47 am
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Yes holder is so experienced

Yes holder is so experienced that he said he decided on this farce of a trial after discussing it with his wife and his brother. Yeah right. He must cover for prezbho so he bears no guilt. WHY wouldn't there be a trial? holder wants to put our country on trial as well as his media wh..e of a client. If holder has so much experience, why did he decide against putting the black panthers (threatening at the polls) on trial?

wizzardx1
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wizzardx1 11/17/09 - 08:48 am
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I guess nobody can defend

I guess nobody can defend hussein after reading cloward-piven strategy/obama.and the band played on.....

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seenitB4 11/17/09 - 08:50 am
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Why don't we put the

Why don't we put the evildoers in a tall building & blow it up,, you know just like they did to the innocents on 9-11.. What will justus think when they go to mall(aug mall) & shoot innocents there? or maybe army bases(like ft hood) & shoot there...It will make a difference when it comes to your city..

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justthefacts 11/17/09 - 08:50 am
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I wonder what the life

I wonder what the life expectancy is for the judge, prosecutor and jurors of this farce?

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