Students arrested in Josey High incident

These students are our future and our future has no respect for authority, no respect for themselves, no understanding of self responsibility and acountibility, etc. Students fighting with police officers in schools and then others getting involved to scream and fight as well. Frankly, ALL students on campuses of high schools who are not actively trying to learn each and every day they are present need to be removed to alternative schools or militayr type schools. If we would simply "remove the violent thugs and class disruptors", then those who wish to learn and succedd would be able to do so. Our teachers and campus police officers deserve our praise and thanks for all they do to try and ensure our children are educated but the administration must bring these schools under control. We need Joe Clark type leadership. In an effort to teach everyone we are loosing more and more. If they are not at school to learn, throw them out quickly and allow the school and students an opportunity to do well.

Nothing new here from the "entitlement" crowd. What they get at home, they bring to school. Reminds one of the old saying, monkey see, monkey do!

I couldn't agree with you more!!!.. you have no idea how hard it is to teach with these students in the classrooms and the parents represent no support at all.. They are quick to blame the teachers that they don't have any control of the classroom.... not true!!!.. even with routines and management in the classrooms discipline of these types of students does not work... and the administrators don't do anything because of the darn AYP!!..

I'm concerned.

dear lady, i agree with you but it is not ayp's fault, its the parents and the school board. ms. cain and the other board members are so hooked on the money that they will refuse to do what is necessary to protect the teachers and other support staff. what is necessary is to impose a mandatory school uniforms, a ZERO TOERANCE!!! for any violence, disruption or disrespect of any staff and start expelling these future welfare moms, missing baby's daddies, convicts, wannabe thugs and otherwise waste of human space. but to do that then the school board will lose state/federal education funding of which they can waste on useless, costly and unnecessary programs or football stadiums/b-ball gymnasiums for schools that graduate less than 60% of its students on a yearly basis/fails to meet ayp. but one thing they wont spend it on...textbooks/supplies, if they did then there would not be complaints by teachers and parents of not enuff textbooks and school supplies for the students in some classes

LadyC, They don't have that problem at Cross Creek. The admin out there doesn't care about AYP. If a student is not there to learn, they go home to be a nuisance to mom and dad. Sad that is has to be that way. Parents should be held accountable for their children's actions. Plan and simple.

You must be stoned?@Jeffstonner. This has nothing to do with " entitlement". It is amazing how clowns like you take any and every opportunity to try in interject that B.S. into a situation. We all know that those more fortunate, never get into trouble. Right?

it has everything to do with entitlement....students lack respect for authority, because it is taught by the parents who believe school is there not for learning but a built in baby-sitting service, when they are called in to school the first thing they do is blame everyone but themselves and their child. it is not that the fortunate "dont" get into trouble but what you have in cases of the more fortunate is more PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT, which equates into less instances of what occurred at josey...tell me spy how many police calls/disruptions occurred at johnson/davidson or c t walker???

gotta disagree with you jsp.. calm down. jstonner mentioned the entitlement crowd. there is a high probability that these kids are from the projects or their parent(s) are getting some kind of "assistance". thus, the entitlement moniker may well be appropriate. and even if entitlement as i've defined it is not a part of these kids' existence, the point is still the same - these kids should have never, ever disrespected authority the way they did and their 'mommas and daddys shoulda taught them that'. there is a way to express your displeasure with authority. this is not it. stop getting mad everytime a white person calls a spade as spade. right is right.

Yes this is the future of Somalia...I mean Augusta...enjoy!

by the way jsp, that doesn't mean jstonner didn't make some racist comments, because in fact he did. and from some of his other comments on other stories it seems he rather enjoys doing so. getting into an argument with him or someone like him is fruitless. where we can take heart is in the fact that even the most ignorant SOB can say something that makes sense now and then if you can check your emotions and search for the real meaning.

Do you even know what racist means, brother garcia?

please enlighten me brother manny

Garciadrive I disagree with your use of the term "assistance". I believe that term should be used for a short term help program, not a life long hand out. How in the world can a person consider themselves a parent when they haven't taught their kids, by example, that everything in life must be earned. I am afraid I agree with Jetstoner in this story.

and while you're enlightening me, plese tell me if you think this qualifies as a racist comment.."...Imagine that, all black and on the govn't dole..." or this ... "... I am amazed that Beard, didn't catch this free ride too! Wonder why none of the white comish's went? Oh, yeah, they were probably working!"... both are attributed to jstonner in posts today.

Nothing in his post mentioned a specific ethnic group being better than another one. That is the generally accepted definition among those who don't spend all their time waving that card around. I wanted YOUR definition since I don't see how that statement was "racist" at all. If you are gonna change the criteria, you need to let us know.

no quite sure why you disgree with my use of the term assistance diss. i wasn't trying to apply any specific definiton to it nor was i advocating for it. i tend to agree with you that the assistance should be temporary. in fact i think the fact that it is permanent in many cases leads to entitlement. i was actually agreeing with jstoner myself (on the core issue that is). i was trying to get jsp to see that as well. sorry if you misinterpreted me.

racist (adj): one who shows discrimination or prejudice based on race.... jstoners comment in this story about the josey students has at least a hint of racism by MY definition via his veiled language about the "entitlement crowd". that is ,generally speaking anyway, a reference to blacks or minorities. in some of jsotners other posts, which i shared above and made reference to in my second post, he is a little less covert as i'm sure you would agree. either way it doesn't matter to me. some people are racists and some are not. when i pointed it out i didn't do it so that i could play victim or "wave the card" as you put it. i pointed it out to show that it still exists. people can, do, and will continue to achieve in spite of it though.

It is rather strange that when we are talking about Josey, Laney, or Butler they are the entitlement crowd. But when young white girls get drunk before going to school at Lakeside they are called what? When three Columbia county white girls get caught having sex in the outdoor bleachers with three black football players they are called what? When white Columbia county football coaches teach the football team to cheat during a recorded high school football game and simply ask them to apologize they are called what? Race is a big problem in Augusta. White folks live a delusional world when race is discuss because they have a double standard. I noticed the AC didn't print about the white teacher in Aiken county never telling his wife he had HIV, and then having underaged sex with a 13 y/o girl in 2006 and is accused of having sex with another fourteen y/o girl recently. We all have to careful about attacking people's race with regards to misconduct because everyone misbehaves. Immorality has no race, no gender, and no address!!

cparker what are you talking about? you just made a racist comment. you attacked another person's race while at the same time admonishing us to be careful about attacking another persons race. but i guarantee you don't consider yourself, or at least some of your statements, racist....my only other comment to you is a continuation of your last thought....immorality has but one true judge.

o brother nowheremanny where art thou?

Entitlement crowd? Wow, you guys really know a lot about individual family income based on the schools kids attend. It's a shame kids are being disruptive in schools. But, the worst part is that adults are ready to use this incident as an excuse to argue over race. I think we all agree that both of the students were wrong. Why bring up race? To me, a bad kid is a bad kid, regardless of if he goes to school at Josey or Lakeside. All bad kids need some type of intervention, but they certainly don't need to be told that they are bad because their family receives government assistance or because of the school they attend.

Cparker did u not read TODAYS headlines? http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/latest/lat_703284.shtml?v=1258 Former Aiken County teacher found guilty of exposing others to HIV - And your "White folks live a delusional world" WTF is that supposed to mean? The problem is if you disagree or comment on anything or anyone of color WHEN YOUR WHITE, your automatically a racist! And now, of couse so am I, according to anyone who disagees with this post.

Terry67, the problem is when people comment on anything or anyone of color as if to say the person in the story represents the character of all black people. The problem is also when generalizations and statements that stereotype any race are made. The same applies when blacks make the same types of statements. It's simply not right when anyone does it. It's not right at all.

The debate about race issues in Richmond/Columbia schools will never end until: all black/white students incidents for the past 2 years are recorded and placed in a statical report by number and posted. Then and only then can you begin to evaluate a true opinion. Facts are facts, not political correctness.

CG, so how does that help end the debate over race in the schools? I really would like to know what a child's race has to do with their behavior or willingness to learn.

KingJames, well said @1:43. Don't you all realize that no matter what you post on here people are going to feel the way they feel and act the same. Can someone tell me this, has the chronicle ever gone a day without printing an article that insights this race crap? I am so sick of this place. Yes, racism still exists and always will but it exists in people of all races for one reason or another not just white people. As for Jeffstoner, "monkey see, monkey do", real slick but I as well as others, will over look that one.

KingJames - I am not (repeat not) against any black or white student from either county who go to school with the purpose of wanting to and getting an education. The point I was making is the quality of upbringing in certain areas by the parents of those areas. Yes, there are bad white students in Columbia schools and if the background of those bad white students were investigated, you may find that there environment was below standard. The same applies to bad black students in Richmond schools. I do not blame the students, I blame the parents and the environment they unfortunately were born to. I believe a statical report would show this is the problem. Until bad environments are corrected this problem will exist and a racial profile will always be attached. I am far from being a racist person, "Don't even go there". I base my life on facts and common sense and never on color. You classify your color by your actions - White or Black. Period.

Something should have been done a long time ago, when the first school in our great nation needed cops in schools. Somebody should have woke up then.

CG, I never said you were a racist. I wanted to you to explain how such a report would end race issues in schools. You've explained how you think it will. I disagree with you merely because it points out problems, but no solutions. You say in your last post that family problems would be pointed out in black and white students. How would that end race issues? It wouldn't. The only thing it would do is give both blacks and whites more reason to argue. Blacks will probably say we can't do any better for whatever reason, and whites will probably say it proves blacks don't want to do any better. So then the race issue would continue, not end, in part because of your suggested report. Suggest a few solutions to fixing the students' issues at home and you might be onto something. A statistical report rarely ever changes minds in Augusta. And, you obviously haven't read many of my posts. If you had, then you would know that I never base anything on color, but rather facts. I always ask others to do the same. And I never accuse anyone of being a racist. If I'm not mistaken, that's what you just did with me in your last few sentences.