Don't pin our problems on immorality

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As if we needed further evidence of the right wing's obsession with morality and the politics of spite, and its utter refusal to offer anything remotely resembling real solutions to real problems, along comes letter writer Gil Ward ("Society wrongly embraces immorality," Oct. 7) to assure us that all of society's ills are due to nothing more than his hidebound concept of immorality, and that "there is no reason for a normal, healthy person to be poor in America unless they want to be." In other words, with enough fairy dust, all problems are easily solved.

Mr. Ward yearns for a prosperous America such as existed during the Eisenhower administration to the satisfaction of mainly white, heterosexual males. No doubt he finds it comforting, dreaming of what -- for him at least -- was a near-perfect world. Unfortunately, dreaming offers no comfort to the millions of working poor who, unlike Mr. Ward, live in the reality-based world.

The American dream is unavailable to these hard workers who are denied basic health care and decent educations. They are poor not because they want to be, but due largely to a collapsed industrial base, a permanent war economy and the decimation of unions with its accompanying loss of living wages, pension plans and health-care insurance.

These problems resulted not from personal immoralities, but rather from societal immoralities of a ruthless brand of predatory, free-market capitalism. Promoted mostly by the right wing, it consists of Reagan-era deregulation, globalization, free-trade agreements, tax cuts, Wall Street greed, corporate agribusiness and a government that serves private corporations at the expense of the rights and well-being of its citizens.

These factors, not the puny concerns of Mr. Ward, are the real causes of our destruction.

Joni Ellsworth

North Augusta, S.C.

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justus4
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justus4 10/23/09 - 04:55 am
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Wow! Joni Ellsworth said a
Unpublished

Wow! Joni Ellsworth said a mouth full, especially with the Reagan-era deregulations which set in motions an obsession of greed and profiteering on the least among us. Reagan was an awful president, but conservatives have an uncharacteristic illusion about this guy and the real damage he did to the nation. Which is why morality should'nt come out of a conservative's mouth, but thats all they scream about, including the article from Ward about society's immorality. Ha! Social issues will doom that party trying to tell folks how they should live, while their on their way straight to U know where. Again, great letter that accurately describes (R)s who hollar conservatives principles, but are as dishonest as the day is long.

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Riverman1 10/23/09 - 04:59 am
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What feelings make someone

What feelings make someone write a letter to the paper about those who advocate morality? I don't see any reason to critize those who do or don't. That's a personal decision for everyone. Ms Ellsworth, go do whatever you want, but pay your own way. Don't expect someone else to take care of your food, healthcare and education. What is the opposite of free market capitalism?

concernednative
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concernednative 10/23/09 - 05:38 am
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Pretty good letter. Justus,

Pretty good letter. Justus, the right have to be obsesses with Reagan their other options are W, Bush Sr, Ford, and Nixon.

carcraft
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carcraft 10/23/09 - 05:39 am
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Those who can't afford

Those who can't afford education? Joni, if you are a citizen of Georgia all you have to do is keep a 3.0 GPA and you get the hope scholarship! Two of my children and my wife went to college on hope. Gee you might have to work in college wow to be responsible for your self...what a burden for an education. To stay out of poverty odds are if a girl keeps her legs together until she is graduates from high school and marries before pregnancy so a dad is around she will stay out of poverty! Kids that have fathers are smarter, better language skills and do better in school. Why not teach these things to kids instead of how to roll condoms on bannanas?

carcraft
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carcraft 10/23/09 - 05:47 am
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Joni- why have jobs left

Joni- why have jobs left America? Well the democrates say corperations are evil! Democrates say a profit of 6-8% for corperation that invest billions is immoral and greedy. Democrates then tax employers, employees, and the profits of the companies all the while calling those that creat wealth and jobs in America evil! Corperation executives have had left wing groups bus demonstrators to their homes to picket, and have had union thugs leave threatening calls. So when businesses leave and take manufacturing over seas to countries that welccome them people like Joni don't really understand! It simple Joni, people that can afford to leave when they are not wanted!

WhippingPost
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WhippingPost 10/23/09 - 06:11 am
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Fairly stupid and uninformed

Fairly stupid and uninformed letter that focuses on personal wants. The collapse of the industrial base and the "decimation" of the unions is a cause and affect situation. Collapsing the industrial base is what unions do. Slaying the goose that kills the golden egg seemed like a good idea .... now it doesn't. Using taxpayer money to buy toxic loans and government law to repackage these toxic loans to resale as commodities is what caused the economic collapse. It wasn't greed, it was redistribution of wealth. The "greed" cry is the smoke screen so the truth can be kept from the choir. There WAS some mismanagement among some large, well connected businesses. There was MUCH more manipulation by big government to push the social agendas. A lot of problems existed for a long time. Robin Hood was too active for too long. The fox was guarding the hen house and the voter was busy playing "my team is better than yours" while ignoring the actions of government. Plenty of blame to share. Let's straighten out a lot of this mess in 2010 and finish it 2012. Congress is a mess....let's replace them ALL.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 10/23/09 - 07:02 am
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its funny how the left will

its funny how the left will always blame the right for job loss and then accuse them to be in bed with industrial and business leaders. where do jobs come from? the dems demonize business the envoromental wachos sue them for everything under the sun and unions demand more than what their labor is worth. when a business wants to relocate the local politicians give them tax breaks etc why because they bring jobs. how do you create new jobs be business friendly. and joni not all workers are worthy of their pay there are a lot time punchers out there who couldnt care about anything but a paycheck wether they earn it or not.

disssman
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disssman 10/23/09 - 07:16 am
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Nofanofobama do you CONS have

Nofanofobama do you CONS have to pay ElRushBo for the use of his sayings or do get them free? This LTE is well written, concise and to the point and dosen't rely on childish statements to get the point across. Those are trait that your post fails to do. BTW for a person who routinely post comments at all possible hours of the day, you either do not work or are posting on your employers time clock, so I wonder how you could make the last statement in your comment? I am glad to see that you feel you have zero importance in the job market. Lets face it, you feel an employee is nothing more than a drone to be replaced when used up.

carcraft
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carcraft 10/23/09 - 07:32 am
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concernednative on Thu Oct

concernednative on Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:58 AM Joni states those that can't afford an education- What about the hope scholarship? Joni lamblasts loss of the industrial sector and doesn't analyze any of what the left and unions have done to destroy it ( and continue to do, Micheal Moore's new movie makes industries feel welcome in America right?). Joni- criticizes those who preach morality but won't acknowledge that personel restraint, practicing moral principals, self control and delayed gratification could go a long ways to preventing many of our social prolems. This knowledge has been around for a long time just read Proverbs in the Bible! The right does have many solutions to America's p[roblems. The left and government don't want to listen because it isn't a feel good gime government hand out solution....The "eletist" media being left leaning and socialist doesn't speak the truth either (Joe S on CNN asked a member of the panel how many conservatives had been her boss or did she work with in 20 years in news rooms, her answer, "few")!

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 10/23/09 - 07:48 am
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dissman i have always worked

dissman i have always worked 10to12 hours a day all my life so quit making statements you cant back up. i have worked for the same company for 27 years. also to answer such stupidity does not take more than a minute of so. so get real. and to be honest i dont give a darn that you think i listen to rush or whatever. i am a conserative and am proud of it. you and your party the dems have destroyed business and want what other people work for.

WhippingPost
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WhippingPost 10/23/09 - 08:00 am
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so disssman, you're still

so disssman, you're still driving the same car you owned when you first started driving. You've never replaced it?

Roeschen
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Roeschen 10/23/09 - 08:07 am
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I don't recall either

I don't recall either education or healthcare being denied to anyone. In fact, in recent years college admission guidelines have given an edge to minorities, especially blacks. In fact, I believe a white heterosexual male in this country has far more disadvantages than a black male. There are scholarships and loans available for college. However, that will mean actually working hard for an education - a novel idea to many, I am sure. As for the collapse of the industrial base, who can blame companies for moving overseas or to Mexico where the jobs are welcomed, the companies are not taxed to death and where employees actually work hard for what they earn. Here, unions have demanded outrageous wages, the liberal govt has overtaxed the companies and employees would rather not work but still demand the paycheck. And BTW, morality would go a long ways to heal what is wrong with this country.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 10/23/09 - 08:11 am
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Boy, I would love to have the

Boy, I would love to have the wine concession at Joni's house. I didn't know people could be denied decent Healthcare. The gov't doesn't provide decent education, but it is available.

pah4r
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pah4r 10/23/09 - 08:18 am
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The LTE writer sounds like

The LTE writer sounds like another poor me, blame every one else, everything other than one's own shortcomings for not being a prosperous member of society sitting on their duff waiting for the giverment or others to provide for them. Opportunities for a prosperous life abound, but you actually have to put forth an effort to achieve it; and employers take their businesses elsewhere when greedy employees want all the profits or the government wants all the profits to give to the bottom feeders of society.

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terry67 10/23/09 - 08:33 am
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there is no reason for a

there is no reason for a normal, healthy person to be poor in America unless they want to be." - Sorry, but there is some truth here! The key words are "normal" and "healthy" I know people who possess the skills to do better, but they would rather live off the government than work a 40hr week! I work with people who do just enough to get by. And the company I work for CLOSED a plant up north.....Mainly b/c of the union. They wanted more, more, more! And if our society lived by better "MORALS" we would not have many of the issues that plague us daily! Try reading the Ten Commandments.....if everyone abided by them we would be doing great!

dani
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dani 10/23/09 - 08:38 am
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Strange. Joni only mentions

Strange. Joni only mentions "right wing" immoralities and none of the greed of the left. You can't make your point while being so biased, Joni.

JesusIsComing
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JesusIsComing 10/23/09 - 08:41 am
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Way to stand up for

Way to stand up for immorality, Joni! You go, girl!

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 10/23/09 - 08:45 am
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DISSMAN if i was as lousy

DISSMAN if i was as lousy employee as you accused me of being i would be agreeing with the LTE. and you and i would be singing the praises of the dems and obama.

soldout
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soldout 10/23/09 - 09:11 am
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The Bible says the poor will

The Bible says the poor will be with you always. God says His riches come without sorrow. The cheerful giver will have their needs met by a loving God who promises to meet all their needs according to His riches in Glory. If you have a father who ownes it all He is probably capable of taking care of you. Once someone figures out how much God loves them the rest of life just got a lot easier. Morality is important because every sin in our life creates sowing and reaping in our life. Most of us are a product of our sowing and reaping and the judgements we have made on the hearts of others. Those judgements come back on us. Best example is the person who makes heart judgements on those who are fat and one day they end up fat themselves and don't understand why. Also those wrong judgements of the hearts of the rich, where we envy the rich has caused us to be poor. Everything happens first in the spiritual realm and then we see it in the natural later. You see plenty of heart judgements in on line comments and probably most of those are heading back to the sender. We can always state what someone does or repeat what they say but when we judge their heart we are doing Gods job

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Niko Mahs 10/23/09 - 09:30 am
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I'm not buying any immorality

I'm not buying any immorality influence from the Right because their C Street family values are just to keep everyone else in line but them. They used religion and family values to save us all and that did work for them before but never will again. The only other hoodwink that the Right continue to put over on folks is the Fear Factor. They make you afraid & scared of the unknown and then sell you on the fact that only they can protect you. That scenario will be tougher to get over than the family values schtick, but once you are not afraid then you realize that you really do not need to buy what the Right is trying to sell you. Keep your money and don't give into the BS.

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carcraft 10/23/09 - 09:49 am
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Niko Mahs on Fri Oct 23, 2009

Niko Mahs on Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:30 AM Lets see, Tom Daschel, Gaithner, Dodd, Murtha, Biden, Obama. All have been involved in unethical activities and the media and Joni all turn a blind eye to it to castigate conservative

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Niko Mahs 10/23/09 - 09:55 am
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Daschel paid for his error,

Daschel paid for his error, Gaithner paid his back taxes, and when you get audited by the IRS a lot of Americans have done the same. I've made mistakes on my taxes and when called on it by the IRS, I checked it out and if I was wrong then I sent them a check - big whoop. Dodd & Murtha will have to answer at election time; but I'll bet that like their Repubnicant counterparts they too will be re-elected by their loyal constituents who know that they will bring in the government Bacon. Wasn't old Strom good at that? So you are right that we have to keep a watchful eye on everyone. I was speaking to the big ticket philosophies of "Family Values" and "Scare Tactics". Thanks but I'm not buying them anymore.

Rhetor
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Rhetor 10/23/09 - 10:47 am
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If the right wing is so

If the right wing is so concerned about morality, why do they insist on repeatedly breaking the Ten Commandments by bearing false testimony against our President (the birthers, the death panel freaks, etc.)?

OBX
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OBX 10/23/09 - 10:54 am
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Rhetor because of course the

Rhetor because of course the Left Wing never breaks any of The Commandments.....

concernednative
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concernednative 10/23/09 - 10:55 am
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You are so right about the

You are so right about the family values jig being up. This fear thing particularly with a black Pres named Barack Hussein Obama is going to be a tough one. But we just have to fight through it and the repubs will go the way of the whigs.

dani
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dani 10/23/09 - 11:00 am
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Rhetor..If you believe that

Rhetor..If you believe that the "birthers, death panel" are freaks, wait just a few more months and then repost that. I heard Obama say that people would rather be dead than hooked up to tubes, so anything is possible. If you think it is right to kill the unborn then you are capable of killing those who are no longer "useful". No, I am not a freak, just a conservative.

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KSL 10/23/09 - 11:10 am
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Niko, so sorry you don't find

Niko, so sorry you don't find a difference in making a mistake on your taxes and deliberately tying to underpay what you owe. That is one aspect of morality. Doing the right thing when no one is looking. It's about character.

truthisstillhere
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truthisstillhere 10/23/09 - 11:24 am
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"These problems resulted not

"These problems resulted not from personal immoralities, but rather from societal immoralities of a ruthless brand of predatory, free-market capitalism.".....duh.....excuse me, but i thought society was made up of individuals, and a society can only be immoral if the individuals making up that society are "personnally immoral".......duh.....so stands to reason that the problem does come down to personal immoralities.....truly moral people would create a truly moral society.....but no matter what you just won't get some people to accept that

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apex24 10/23/09 - 11:34 am
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Joni, Joni, Joni, what do you

Joni, Joni, Joni, what do you mean by this statement in your LTE "denied basic health care and decent educations". As far as health care is concerned please drop by the University ER and see how it's used as a doctor's office. No one is turned away. As far as your "decent education" you may need to brush up on your parenting skills. Don't send a child to school and expect the school system to raise them. Another Leftist give me, give me, give me.

justbeasy
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justbeasy 10/23/09 - 11:35 am
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was this mess just

was this mess just started!!!!

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