Health-care proposal is all wrong

Obama has no intention of COMPETING with private business. He said himself that he intends to gradually have government completely take over the Health Insurance industry. There are those who will say the doesn't intend to do this, including Obama himself, but it directly contradicts what he, himself SAID with his own mouth. Was he lying then or is he lying now?

according to our bill of rights our freedoms come from a supreme being not from govt. therefore the fundamental rights cannot be taken from the govt. that includes my right to choose which health care i want, it is not the right of some congessman to decide my fundamental choices in life. this is not freedom this is simply against the constitution and therefore un-american. every govt intrusion in our lives ought and must be challenged.

The article is full of holes and the biggest one is ol' Larry's grasp of the US Constitution. Example: No where in the writings does it authorizes the buyng & selling of human beings or give particular citizens authority to kill, lynch, or otherwise harm for personal gains, however, those atrocities are well documented. Another failure of the writer is the belief that government should create an "atmosphere" for businesses to prosper, which is only regurgitating something he has heard. Unstable governments like Iraq, N. Korea, or Samolia are example of failures of government agencies to provide "atomspheres" for successful business because of war and internal conflict. America does not have that problem, in fact she is the international model that most countries emulate except for health care. Our's is actually the worst and much like the selling of humans is unthinkable, so is the thought of fellow citizens having their entire life savings and business ruined because of a catastrophic illness. Again, unthinkable.

po 'ol justus, whitey still got hims in chains. I'd bet he's one of those folks who always has that "I smell something stinky" look on his face, all the time. Notice how ALL his posts reference racism or slavery. What a hateful person.

justus, I read these letters and comments almost daily and very seldom do I post, but your response today is causing me concern. This article is about health care. Why is it that you cannot discuss this or any issue without interjecting race? All these type comments ever does is sidetrack the discussion point. You either do not get what the writer is articulating or you know what he writes is true and you want to "muddy" the water so everyone gets off the subject. Please try to stay on point and stop with the race baiting. Become part of the solution.

justus4 it was the very basis of the constitution that our nation was able to put slavery to an end. basic human rights from god apply to all. look at africa slave trade is still thriving there why? because the law is based on might and not from god with equal treatment and not the whim of some two bit dictator who happens to be in power at the time. as for the rest of your ranting you are simply wrong.

You guy's are making my point. Your comments are all about justus and his"race" problem and not about the important issue of the letter...Healthcare!

wasn't your previous post about justus and his 'race' problem alsway???

All you people are acting like idiots...You let Jus pull your chains everyday, and what's really funny about it is unless he has said it in the past you really don't know anything about him (race, religion, gender, etc)...Chains getting yanked and folks getting drawn off topic everyday...Can you spell and say FOCUS???

Justus4, yea, we liberals and other recognize that this great Union has ans will do wrong,but we can correct the wrongs at times or at least, acknowledge them as Pres. Barack Husein Obama is doing expiate for them. Whilst Sen Bernard Sanders's one-payer, state administerd plan would save millions of dollars in overhead and otherwise, Sanders and the Great Compromiser recognized that Congress should not sacrifice the Senate-Obama plan [ It will become the Kennedy plan, I understand.] for this one that would fail to pass Congress as the private insurers have their way. Had the private insurers the Medicare Plus plan as competition, they would compete much better. In time if they couldn't compete then yea, the Plus plan would, perforce, be the one that individuals would support !
And again, the Constitution guarantees unenumerated rights, and does guarantee the general welfare as the Supreme Court ever so declares! Nay, it is they who support exiguous change that would not do anything to keep insurance costs from doubling in the nest decade! Yea, government can and- does spend money better than we can in some ways! Business, charity and government can have drawbacks to fix.

Dang lord griggs, are you sure you're not a member of Congress. I've never read such eloquent doubletalk before!

It would have been much better if the government would have approached health care from the insurance side of the equation. Expanding Medicare/Medicaid with a mandatory acceptance clause would have been a much better approach. By mandating a percentage of Medicare/Medicaid patients be served by health care providers, similar to the emergency care provision of hospitals, the health care standards would be maintained at minimal cost expenditure for those in the health care business. This would level the playing field and require those who would qualify for Medicare/Medicaid to sign up for the service with appropriate ID.

Prezbo's health care reform will be as successful as his direction to mail $250 stimulus checks to inmates. There's change you can believe in. OMG

its a sad day in our country when some claim that govt does and can spend my money better than me. with their dismal track record how can anyone make that claim. no where in the world does single payer save money except thru rationing.

its a sad day in our country when some claim that govt does and can spend my money better than me. with their dismal track record how can anyone make that claim. no where in the world does single payer save money except thru rationing.

Wouldn't it be nice if we ALL had the healthcare that kennedy had? But American citizens won't be getting that healthcare plan. Why not? Why is all this extra cr@p included in the horrible plan they are pushing at us? Where is the outrage from the citizens about not receiving the same care that congress, prezbho, union members and guv'mint employees receive?

Congressional members, the VP and the President do not pay for their healthcare, but the taxpayers do. Government employees pay their fair share of insurance premiums just like anyone in the private sector. Am I outraged? Of course I am, but who's listening? Certainly not the big O and his cronies.

kennedy had the best healthcare we taxpayers could give him.

Insurance companies rob us everyday with health insurance. What do you guys think is happening when they say minimum $1500 annual deductible, no maternity covergage until 36 months, $25 co-pays, & no coverage for back related claims because you went to te doctor three years earlier for a back ache that has never effected you again? You call it underwriting and I call it rationing. It is strange how comfortable we get depending on who's screwing us. If State Farm, United Healthcare, or BCBS screw us it feels better than a national healthcare option that presents the same limitations. Once Conservatives stop playing games and deal with this more honestly, nothing will ever change. Their grandmother will not die over this, illegal aliens won't be offered coverage, and those unfair death panels will no longer be needed. How do you have a debate about healthcare with Conservatives crying about irrational foolish? I truly hope a national healthcare option is approved. I know of a case where a insect bite led to a $20K surgery because a child's parents had BCBS. But when the President tries to rein them in, Conservatives start whining he is limiting their coverages. Who's screwing who?

rastus4 the very govt that made u worth 3/5ths of a human and
allowed you to be bought and sold is the same govt you expect to solve all of your problems. hows the welfare state working out for "your people"? insanity....... read dred scotts revenge.

Libs defend this horrible prezbhocare while ignoring the fact that there is so much spin in this bill. The wording is so vague and junk has been added to this bill that need not be there. Conservatives that have read this bill and see these problems are said to be whining, haters and racists. This is a horrible 1000+ page bill that most in congress, including prezbho, haven't even read this bill. Why isn't there more outrage for the lack of transparency in this horrible bill? prezbho has tried to change this to an insurance problem to ram this horrible prezbhocare plan at us. Pay attention because prezbho is using his fawning followers to blindly follow because he knows they ignore facts.

55 F-100, this administration hasn't mailed any stimulus checks. You guys just think that anything that has ever happened bad in the last 20 yr in govt happened because of Obama. I remember in Nov Hannity was blaming Wall Street's problems on Obama because they knew he would be President soon they were having problems. You partisan hacks are funny. Just may it up.

the bottom line is our govt is as corrupt as the day is long. there is nothing you cannot buy from them. duke the repuke even had a menu that had a sliding scale price list based on how much your contract was worth. the insurance companies you all come in here to complain about will buy all the business, raise prices, lower care, and increase profits, all with the protection of the govt. big pharma will keep you perpetually drugged so you will be a good little serf. those of you that believe the govt is on your side and should have unlimited power are dead wrong.
how did competition with natural gas work out for you?

I watched a town hall on C-Span Tuesday night can't remember the reps name but he represents northern VA and he was in Reston, VA. He said his healthcare if BCBS he pays about $500/month (he takes the best plan option) and he is offered the same plans as all other federal employees are offered. The govt pays about the same % as all of your employers do. So their plan isn't much difference from the rest of ours.

thats nice..................

Griggs 1947 you need to put down Reader's Digest (now declaring bankruptcy) "Enriching Your Word Power" because you do not know how to use the words you are reading properly. First of all one cannot "is doing expiate for them." Expiate means to atone for.. You can atone for something but you cannot "doing atone" Second, enumerate means to number one by one...What point are you trying to make with the statement, " the Constitution guarantees unenumerated rights" So the way it reads the Constitution guarantees "not- numbered" rights??? Then why are the articles in the Constitution numbered? You did however use one "BIG" word right, and that was exiguous...which means "scanty" but I pointed that out to you a couple of weeks back.

cn... Was that an individual plan or family? He also said it was "ABOUT $500/mo for best plan". Sounds like another play on words from a politician.

converted, it was a family plan and he said is was the highest rated option (lowest out of pocket expenses, etc), the $500 was his cost.

C.B.B.P. thanks! Oh, then I would really need help! C.Parker, yea, just try to get insurance companies to give you what you had thought promised1 My VA outranks all other American health systems as Bill Kriystol noted. JHS, see the correction. The Ninth Amendment bespeaks [ give evidence of ] those rights: ' The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the People." And the Tenth Amendment states : " The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. It is Article I, Section 8, that provided for the general welfare that the courts acknowledge.
And the Supreme Court sanctions the penumbras!

Yeah, health care reform as written in HR3200, we all know that we need $1B in children's "jungle Gyms", farmer's markets in urban areas, ad nauseum that would be parceled out to the "blue" states/communities as has the porkulus bill to buy more votes. Try reading the bill and try not to throw up or have apoplexy with anger..