ObamaCare will only hurt seniors

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Doris Crutchfield, in her July 24 letter to editor ("We need health care; Obama can deliver"), stated: "The president has the answer to the health care problem." Her statement reflects the fact that she, like so many Americans, is not familiar with the undesirable features of this legislation.

First, there is the provision for covering expenses of an abortion, and also overriding any state law that requires counseling or parental notice before hand. This will only lead to a growth in abortion clinics across our country.

Secondly, Obama's government-run health care plan will result in denying care to a number of Americans, especially senior citizens. Underlying this legislation is the misconception that living longer burdens society, so therefore access to cures and specialists will be denied to older people who then should be counseled on end-of-life options.

An interesting quote by Betsy McCaughey, former lieutenant governor of New York: "Medicare has made living to a ripe old age a good value; ObamaCare will undo that."

George C. Lenz

Augusta

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TechLover
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TechLover 07/31/09 - 06:10 am
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Mr Lenz: First, requiring a

Mr Lenz: First, requiring a discussion on end of life care is not the same as denying end of life care. As a current healthcare provider, we already have to provide patients wiith information regarding advance directives and living wills. You get to write the, and we as healthcare providers, follow your wishes. If you choose DNR, we won't resuscitate you. It's your decision, as well it should be. Second: Abortion is a legal medical procedure in this country. What other procedures should we deny patients because of your religious beliefs? Finally: Betsy McCaughey is an adjunct fellow at the right wing Hudson Institute,same old funders of all the right wing thinktanks:Castle Rock, Koch Family, Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Scaife Foundation, and of course the ever present Walton's of Wal Mart fame. Plus funding from Eli Lilly and Company, Merck, Novartis, PhRMA, Ciba-Geigy,etc. No wonder the right wing thinktanks are in lock step, there's a good dozen or so foundations that fund them all to favor positions that will help their interests and not those of the American people.

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opiner 07/31/09 - 06:21 am
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Side stepping the truth with

Side stepping the truth with your silly explanations, TL, only adds confusion to an already difficult subject. The abortions Mr Lenz was referring to would become 100% taxpayer funded 100% of the time under Obamacare. The end of life counseling Mr Lenz is referring to is the option offered seniors in lieu of medical care ... part of Obamacare. I don't think you're nearly as dense as you try to appear to be. The fact that you don't like individuals and families that have gained wealth to spend their own money to promote their concept of right and wrong doesn't surprise me. Of course, it's fine for the socialist left to spend taxpayer money to promote their agenda, though. You lefties are a trip.

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overburdened_taxpayer 07/31/09 - 06:33 am
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TechLover - Never mind the

TechLover - Never mind the religious connotations of abortion, how about the moral connotations of killing innocent life? I conceed that it is a legal medical procedure in this country although I personally wish it were not. But what is wrong with any state law that requires unbiased counseling or parental notice when it is a minor before hand? Would you want your child given any other type medical care when it isn't an emergency without your consent? Why would abortion be any different for minors? That is just the government teaching your kids that it is OK to lie and keep things from you. Again, the US Government is stepping on state's rights just as they always do violating the Constitution. The US Government really has very little authority over its people according to the Constitution but we have seen how that goes in DC, and on both sides of the aisle I might add.

JohnQPublic
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JohnQPublic 07/31/09 - 06:54 am
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Nothing more than scare

Nothing more than scare tactics! Why doesn't the GOP want senior citizens to have the same excellent health care that we GIVE them as Senators and Congressmen and women? What is wrong with that picture?

opiner
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opiner 07/31/09 - 07:08 am
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The only thing wrong with

The only thing wrong with this picture is your silly assumptions, Sister sledge. No scare tactics, just truth. GOP does want excellent health care...it's not an option under Obamacare.

TechLover
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TechLover 07/31/09 - 07:24 am
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overburdened:State's rights.

overburdened:State's rights. Where have I heard that before? I do agree that a minor should have parental consent, or have a legal option around it (in case daddy would beat the crap out of her for getting pregnant). opi: What did I say that wasn't the truth? You might not like it, but that's the way it is. A good example was the pharmaceutical input into Bush's Medicare prescription plan. Pay full price, no negotiation. I don't particularly like my insurance company paying for boob jobs, but they do. It makes my rate higher for a vanity surgery. Guess what, you get to make your own decision for end of life care. There's nothing that says you will be denied treatment. No different than now, other than saying it will have to be discussed. You wouldn't believe the number of times things are going south and we ask family members what the patient wants and they don't know. I've done evrything in my power to keep someone alive when I, and all the medical professionals around me, know it's futile (and in some cases agonizingly painful) but if that's what the patient wants, that's what they get. It will be no different. You get to make that choice, and that's the way it should be.

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concernednative 07/31/09 - 07:54 am
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This letter is factually

This letter is factually incorrect so really know need to address. Unless George is writing under an assumed name he hasn't seen the final bill. Secondly, those are just the right wing talking points. Most have come out and said there is one liberal bill that had this extreme stuff in it but we all know that the final bill will be very moderate. So stop stroking full and bring some serious conversation to the table. But maybe it is something about people named George.

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Serioun 07/31/09 - 08:17 am
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Let's get this straight...the

Let's get this straight...the right of a woman to have an abortion is here to stay. You don't and never will get the legislative power to over ride...so sit down and move on. It is firm as paying taxes, and the reason why is privacy and the right to govern ones own body. I won't elaborate or debate it because it will do no good. Just realize it is a loosing battle. And you are right this letter makes absolutely no sense, who in their right mind would give tax payers money for any time any where abortions....crazy. Ok again, who would take away from the seniors..their right to have care. The decision you are referring to is already being made. People (regardless of the age, but it would apply to seniors) are told in the cases where their health, age, ect...are concerned if the norm health decision is available for them. I have a friend who was just told she would not be a candidate for a heart transplant due to other health issues, and she is 57. So you are behind the loop in this letter and writing about something that already exists.

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Tujeez1 07/31/09 - 08:27 am
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Serioun...Obama had in his

Serioun...Obama had in his original Healthcare reform bill that abortions would be covered. PERIOD. Now, sit down and READ the dam* bill he and Pelosi tried to RAM through congress.

Tell it like it is
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Tell it like it is 07/31/09 - 08:39 am
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Stupid people making stupid

Stupid people making stupid remarks. The Obamacare will never pass as it exists.

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jackfruitpaper833 07/31/09 - 09:00 am
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*lies*

*lies*

convertedsoutherner
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convertedsoutherner 07/31/09 - 09:09 am
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prezbho opened his mouth and

prezbho opened his mouth and put his foot in it again. In his town meeting he told the crowd that if any of congress wanted to discuss the prezbho care, he would sit down and go over it line by line with them. Well one such TN representative (that was a dr) sent him a letter and wants to go over the plan line by line. This dr says he can't even understand some of the wording in the bill. Guess there are others that are asking to take him up on that offer. Open mouth insert foot prezbho stepped in it again.

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mad_max 07/31/09 - 09:39 am
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The only way to give

The only way to give healthcare to everyone is to limit healthcare to seniors. That is a fact. There is not enough money nor enough doctors to 100% high quality healthcare to 100% of the people. NO COUNTRY has been able to make that work. ALL have resorted to limiting healthcare to everyone and particularly to OLD PEOPLE. That is a fact. The first words out of the Democrats mouths have been to CUT MEDICARE SPENDING. And they mean it. The government has been a TOTAL FAILURE at reducing fraud so their only alternative is to CUT THE FUNDS AVAILABLE TO MEDICARE. I cannot believe that have of you fools out there either cannot see that or refuse to admit it. I cannot believe that AARP supported this bill. Everyone should be calling AARP and canceling their membership and telling them why. THIS HEALTHCARE BILL IS AN ANTI-SENIOR BILL. Sign up for your END OF LIFE COUNSELING NOW.....YOU WILL NEED IT.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 07/31/09 - 09:53 am
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Has anybody seen Odumba or
Unpublished

Has anybody seen Odumba or any member of congress saying that they would drop their current healthcare and sign up for this wonderful, compassionate program? Anybody? Hello?

convertedsoutherner
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convertedsoutherner 07/31/09 - 09:56 am
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How do you think they are

How do you think they are going to add (as they say 47million people) to the prezbhocare and not raise prices? This is another prezbho spin. What has the guv'mint ever been in charge of that hasn't been a disaster? They couldn't even make the 'cash for clunkers' work out right. They mis-judged the amount of money that this horrible taxpayer funded plan would cost. I guess we should use the new term that prezbho now uses when he makes a mistake. They 'mis-calibrated'again . What has prezbho said that he hasn't had to backstep on since he continues to put his foot in his mouth. Without his teleprompter, he's a walking GAFFE machine. Great pair; prezbho and biden.

TechLover
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TechLover 07/31/09 - 09:59 am
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The only Rep from Tn who is

The only Rep from Tn who is an MD is Phil Roe, it would have to be him. The healthcare bill is written no differently than any other legislation (in legalese). If he cant understand it, he needs to leave Congress, since he obviously can't understand any legislation.

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cparker 07/31/09 - 10:02 am
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The current proposal is

The current proposal is threatened because Conservatives are intentionally scaring seniors with manufacted lies. Conservatives manufactured lies for the war and now lies against healthcare. Last week Conservatives on this site said the proposal was designed to terminate the private healthcare system according to page 16, but when I asked them what site they read such a lie, not one has come back in over a week to tell me. The reason not one will ever respond is because Conservatives don't want a national healthcare proposal challenging the staus quo. Reality is we already have national healthcare in the form of Medicare, Medicaid, and even V.A. medical for injured veterans. This is not about Obama fooling anyone, this is about Conservative being the racist liars they have always been. They make a patient discussing end of life wishes to mean.. wanting them to die to save money. Deliberately scaring seniors to believe this plan will not support their medical needs, but the whole time they know they are simply lying. Conservative are the most hateful people known to the free world. I believe Conservatives are enemies to America just like the Taliban. Controlled fear is terrorism!!

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Tigger_The_Tiger 07/31/09 - 10:08 am
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If this

If this Nationalized/Socialized/Marxist healthcare is so great, would someone PLEASE explain why Congress wants to have themselves exempted from it? I doubt there will be ANY logical answers to this.....most likely they will just ignore the question.

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grouse 07/31/09 - 10:11 am
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Re: letter: More lies from
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Re: letter: More lies from the right regurgitated by the gullible.

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 07/31/09 - 10:11 am
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If this

If this Nationalized/Socialized/Marxist healthcare is so great, would someone PLEASE explain why Congress wants to have themselves exempted from it? I doubt there will be ANY logical answers to this.....most likely they will just ignore the question.

Tujeez1
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Tujeez1 07/31/09 - 10:12 am
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Jackfruit...Where are the

Jackfruit...Where are the lies? Are you confident that you have read the 1000 page healthcare reform bill and are fully aware of all that it entails? Perhaps you believe President Obama when he says that he doesn't know what is in that original 1000 page proposed bill that he tried to have rammed through congress. Question...If Obama didn't authorize the bill, where did it come from? answer: It came from the group of staff that he hired and hand-picked to author it. IT WAS HIS BILL. Not some Senators', not some Congressmans'. Obama knew exactly WHAT was in that bill. After all, he authorized it. NOW that the contents of that bill have come to be known, he wants no part of it. Why? Because it is full of political suicide and he knows it. It's full of free healthcare for illegal immigrants. Rationed care and suicide counseling for seniors. Rationed care for a multitude of Americans. He gambled on his majority in congress to pass it and he lost. It is his failure and he wants to distance himself from it as fast as he can. You cannot tell me, that if you had recruited a group of people to write a document as important as this, that you would not at least have read it. I know you better

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 07/31/09 - 10:12 am
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If this

If this Nationalized/Socialized/Marxist healthcare is so great, would someone PLEASE explain why Congress wants to have themselves exempted from it? I doubt there will be ANY logical answers to this.....most likely they will just ignore the question.

TechLover
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TechLover 07/31/09 - 10:13 am
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southern: Are you really an

southern: Are you really an idiot or do you just play one on here? The plan is for those who are uninsured. If you or your Congressman want to keep ther current plan, great. If you don't have insurance, it might not be the best coverage in the world, but it's way better than nothing. Another BS comment about another BS non-issue. You might as well argue that since Congressmen have large houses, there no need for smaller ones. If you want to argue with pertinent information, have at it.

Tujeez1
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Tujeez1 07/31/09 - 10:16 am
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Tigger, because under Obama's

Tigger, because under Obama's original 1000 page healthcare reform bill, Ted Kennedy would be denied access to care for his brain tumor because of his age, no matter how much money his family has.

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 07/31/09 - 10:18 am
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TechLover....clearly you

TechLover....clearly you didn't read the plan. If you currently have insurance, but for some reason drop that insurance (ie change jobs) you will then be REQUIRED to have the State run plan. By attrition this will achieve the Marxist goal of having control of ALL of the citizen's insurance. Plus.....if I desire to keep my current plan, great....I can keep it....but I will also have to pay for the insurance of those who choose NOT to pay for their own.......how is that equal protection under the law?

convertedsoutherner
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convertedsoutherner 07/31/09 - 10:18 am
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Remember prezbho has a

Remember prezbho has a mandate in congress? Why is anything the fault of conservatives? What a ridiculous statement; that pushing this horrible prezbhocare through is all the fault of the GOP. Keep trying because you're looking pretty silly with that one. Also, why are union members exempt from this so-called wonderful prezbhocare? prezbho and clan have pushed fear, threats and whatever they can at us and you complain about the GOP. You are right when you say controlled fear is terrorism. But your dim party is the one that is pushing all the control.

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 07/31/09 - 10:20 am
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Tujeez.....no fair using the

Tujeez.....no fair using the truth.....I am entertained by reading the idiotic rationalizations of those who support Obama no matter how bad he gets.

TechLover
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TechLover 07/31/09 - 10:20 am
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tiger: Let's see, first you

tiger: Let's see, first you call it "Nationalized/Socialized/Marxist healthcare", which it isn't, since you're allowed to keep your private insurance, then you try to argue for forcing those already with insurance into the plan. Make up your mind.

Tujeez1
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Tujeez1 07/31/09 - 10:21 am
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You can spin it all you want

You can spin it all you want TechLover, but the bill rations healthcare for everyone, not just the uninsured, as under the bill ALL would be insured, either privately or under the government plan.

Tujeez1
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Tujeez1 07/31/09 - 10:25 am
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I'm sorry Tigger, you want I

I'm sorry Tigger, you want I should delete that? I'll be glad to now that I've shown them WHY the Politicians wont submit to using their plan for the public.

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