O Canada! What a health care system!

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The U.S. government runs Medicaid and Medicare and they are both bankrupt! So now we want the government to run the rest of the health-care business?

Well, first take a look at the government-run system in Canada.

The doctor shortage in Canada is so great that cities run lotteries for a doctor's appointment, and long wait times to see doctors have caused overcrowded emergency rooms. The Canadian Medical Association reports that patients wait more than nine hours to be seen and more than 24 hours to be admitted in Canadian emergency rooms. According to the Canadian Broadcasting Co. the average wait time in Canada for surgery is more than five months. The wait time for a CT scan is two months in Manitoba, and the wait time for a MRI is five months in Newfoundland.

Dr. Richard F. Davis, a cardiologist at the University of Ottawa Heart Institute, described what's happening to patients waiting for coronary bypass surgery. In one year while waiting for this one operation, 71 patients died,

One-hundred twenty-one became too sick for surgery and 44 left to have the operation in the United States. The Calgary Herald reported that 25,000 Calgary residents were waiting for surgery or scans at just four city hospitals. Alberta Health's Web site lists the following surgery wait times: 15 months for hip replacement, 15 months general surgery, 13 months for knee replacement, three months for cardiac surgery and 13 months for an MRI scan.

According to the Acton Institute in Grand Rapids, Mich., since February 2007 Ontario hospitals have sent 421 heart patients, 75 pregnant women or their babies and 25 women with high risk pregnancies to U.S. hospitals to receive care that they could not provide. And that's just Ontario! There are nine more provinces up there!

John Johannsen

Augusta

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Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 07/23/09 - 04:00 am
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I know it hasn't worked

I know it hasn't worked ANYWHERE else in the world.....but the great O can make it work here!

carcraft
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carcraft 07/23/09 - 04:23 am
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NOt to mention that death

NOt to mention that death rates from all forms of cancer are higher in Canada than they are in the US due to the waits and lack of specialist!

TechLover
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TechLover 07/23/09 - 04:58 am
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Mr Johannsen: Do you

Mr Johannsen: Do you perchance mean Dr. Richard Davies? "Last year, 750,000 Americans traveled abroad for care, according to estimates by the Deloitte Center for Health Solutions, a Washington-based research center that's part of the consulting firm Deloitte & Touche." Does that mean the US system is worse than Canada's? Much of Canada's problems are related to population density. Manitoba has a population density of 2.19 people per square km, Newfoundland 1.36. The only states in the US with less are Alaska 0.42 and Wyoming 1.96. It's no surprise that the farther away health care facilities are, the more difficult it will be to receive treatment. Even with the problems facing Canadian healthcare, the US is NOT proposing the same system. The current healthcare proposal is for health insurance, not governmet run healthcare as in Canada.

TechLover
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TechLover 07/23/09 - 05:12 am
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Also the "lottery" deal is at

Also the "lottery" deal is at one clinic that is newly opening, not system wide.

concernednative
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concernednative 07/23/09 - 05:47 am
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You are comparing Apples to

You are comparing Apples to Oranges. America is not going to a single payer system. Secondly, where gave you seen that across this nation another 30 million people with insurance will crush the system. Third, you guys try to scare us with the one worst tidbit you can find like the lottery that Techlover addressed. The real question to ask the people in Canada is would they prefer no coverage. And lastly do yo believe in American exceptionalism?

jack234
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jack234 07/23/09 - 06:00 am
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Good morning to all the gang

Good morning to all the gang that support President Obama's attempt to revise our health system. Last night he cleared up a lot of questions about how it will work. We are not Canada, we are the USA where everything is possible. PT really had a bad day yesterday - he had about 5 posts removed because of a lot of hateful racists remarks. He has reached a breaking point. Hate can eat you up. And there is no reason for it. He needs to just get aboard and give the new president a chance as he is working very hard. Cut off Rush and Hannity still talking about jeremiah Wright and Ayers in the year 2009. This is a new day for us all and we should be grateful to president Obama for keeping us safe. There were three attacks under GW's watch. Thank you Mr. President Obama. HELLO! HELLO!

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Little Lamb 07/23/09 - 07:04 am
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Could it be that the death

Could it be that the death rates in Canada are the NATURAL death rates, and here in the U.S. we have created an unnatural response to disease, keeping people alive who need to go ahead and die. Perhaps the Canadian model is best.

LaTwon
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LaTwon 07/23/09 - 07:14 am
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if they cannot kill you in

if they cannot kill you in the womb, they will kill you with their "healthcare". death is the liberal agenda. they believe too many people are on the planet. john p holdren, obamas science advisor wants forced abortion, sterilization, and seizure of children from those deemed unfit. ruth bader ginsburg says roe vs wade was to eliminate too many of the kind they dont want.
what the hell is up with these psycho progressives?

convertedsoutherner
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convertedsoutherner 07/23/09 - 07:47 am
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To say what the US is going

To say what the US is going to do or not, is ridiculous. As we have seen by the words of prezbho, how can we be sure - especially when he says it?

jack234
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jack234 07/23/09 - 07:56 am
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I would just like to thank

I would just like to thank president Obama for keeping us safe (the highlight of GW's administration) and getting other things done at the same time. There were only 3 attacks under GW's watch. HELLO! HELLO!

TechLover
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TechLover 07/23/09 - 07:59 am
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LBenedict: Surely you are

LBenedict: Surely you are smart enough to understand that the healthcare proposal isn't a single payer system like Canada. Great you've got a link to a right wing film maker. There are NO horror stories about medical proceures in the US, say for instance amputating the wrong limb, leaving implements inside a patient during surgery (that happened to a friend of mine), or contaminated colonscopes at the VA or private surgical center in Columbia County. Are you that ignorant or deliberately misleading?

southernguy08
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southernguy08 07/23/09 - 08:01 am
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1937, a program called Social
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1937, a program called Social Security was put into place in the US when that pillar of working man's compassion, Franklin Roosevelt, was in office. It was supposed to be voluntary at the time. Has anybody been asked to have SS funds taken out of their paycheck? Will the people who believe that the same thing won't happen with government run healthcare please raise their hands? Go ahead folks...I'm counting hands. Somebody...anybody? Please holds your hands higher. I can't see them.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 07/23/09 - 08:05 am
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By the way, since Dems
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By the way, since Dems control the White House and both houses of congress, including a fillibuster proof senate, if this bill goes into the toilet, how exactly will the libs like Cain, Justus, Tech, Williston, Jack234, and Niko, blame George Bush and the Republicans? We know everything is their fault. What kind of care do we want? Say it with me..."Womb to the tomb!" "Womb to the tomb!" Bet that'll get the libs panties in a wad! "Womb to the tomb! Womb to the tomb!"

concernednative
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concernednative 07/23/09 - 08:18 am
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Thanks, Southernguy for

Thanks, Southernguy for pulling out a Reagan campaign theme in 2009. I know you guys long for the days of old but the world is changing with or without you.

convertedsoutherner
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convertedsoutherner 07/23/09 - 08:19 am
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Why are union members exempt

Why are union members exempt from this horrible healthcare tax? If this plan is so great, why aren't congress and prezbho clan saying they will leave their plans to jump into this healhcare tax? Why can't this tax pass since they have the majority? Why are dims questiong this tax? Can't get answers. The bunch of Chicago thugs are working overtime now. They aren't use to not getting what they want. Gonna be interesting.

concernednative
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concernednative 07/23/09 - 09:10 am
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converted, if the prez and

converted, if the prez and congress were going to a new plan you would say they were going to a better plan and leaving you out with crappy insurance. It is a catch 22 with you haters. Just be happy no one has to change their coverage that doesn't want to.

accuracyplease
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accuracyplease 07/23/09 - 09:19 am
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confederate american
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confederate american 07/23/09 - 09:25 am
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jack234-just another blind

jack234-just another blind little fool like techlover,hope you are sterile to.god help us

The Ode
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The Ode 07/23/09 - 09:29 am
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LittleLamb - it isn't up to

LittleLamb - it isn't up to the government to decide whether or not you can get healthcare or die regardless of the patient's age. That is an individual decision. If you are unable to think for yourself or provide for yourself then sit in the corner and shut your hole. Just because some need the government to take care of them doesn't justify the rest of us allowing them to dictate to us.

constitutionnow
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constitutionnow 07/23/09 - 09:29 am
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Whether the proposed system

Whether the proposed system is good, bad or indifferent, can someone please show me the section in the Constitution that gives the government the authority to legislate such wide ranging changes?

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KSL 07/23/09 - 09:36 am
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The issue still remains that

The issue still remains that Obama has tried to rush the vote through Congress. The reform of our health care systems is to important, to much of the economy, not to make certain it's right.

The Ode
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The Ode 07/23/09 - 09:36 am
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concernednative - how can you

concernednative - how can you say you believe in American exceptionalism when you and so many others want your lives, freedoms and liberties dicatated to you and micromanaged by the federal government. Are you unable to be exceptional without the federal government?

mad_max
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mad_max 07/23/09 - 09:50 am
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Obama on the TV again. Trying

Obama on the TV again. Trying to explain a bill that he has not read because it doesn't exist yet. Making promises on one hand while allowing Pelosi and the Democrats to legislate something completely different. Yes, regardless of what the smiling liar says, these 5 versions of the bill are all designed to force a Single Payer System by putting private insurers out of business. Every rational person knows that private insurance cannot compete with a taxpayer government subsidized system. Government Insurance will be the ONLY insurance. This is EXACTLY another CANADA system which is a horrible failure. WE HAVE GREAT HEALTHCARE NOW. DO NOT LET OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS RUIN OUR EXEMPLARY HEALTHCARE SYSTEM WHICH IS THE ENVY OF THE WORLD. THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE. Everyone comes here for care. There is a reason for that. Everyone depends on us to develop new medicines. There is a reason for that. Everyone depends on us to develop new medical machines. There is a reason for that. WE HAVE THE BEST SYSTEM NOW. DON'T LET OBAMA LOWER THE QUALITY OF YOUR HEALTHCARE. Remember, NEXT he wants to take take some more of your money to FIX SOCIAL SECURITY. THAT IS THE NEXT RIPOFF. OLD FOLKS BEWARE!!!

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imdstuf 07/23/09 - 09:51 am
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I guess all the people who do

I guess all the people who do not want any changes to the current system did not read the article on here yesterday about all the young people having to go bankrupt when they needed medical care because there are no jobs out there for them and because medical insurance costs are ridiculously high.

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HotFoot 07/23/09 - 09:52 am
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Tigger, first, we're not

Tigger, first, we're not talking single payer. SEcond, the national health care system does work in Scandinavia, and work well. As for the letter, it's too bad ACES doesn't fact-check...I guess that's for real journalists. Mr. Johannsen, you can't compare Medicare's solvency with the proposed public option because, for one thing, our government has borrowed against Medicare and Social Security.

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MyTake 07/23/09 - 10:21 am
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Just a guess, but I venture

Just a guess, but I venture that Mr. Johansson has a full boat insurance plan from someone. I congratulate him on that, but the point is that a lot of people don't have the full boat, or are doing things they don't want to in order to keep it. Right now this debate is a case of the haves fighting to keep their privileges at the cost of the have nots. Hopefully with a little time this will become a debate on the best way to do something.

jack234
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jack234 07/23/09 - 10:24 am
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I just want to take a few

I just want to take a few minutes out of my busy day to thank Pres. Obama for keeping us safe. We only had three attacks during GW's non watch. HELLO! HELLO!

Tujeez1
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Tujeez1 07/23/09 - 10:37 am
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HotFoot...what is the

HotFoot...what is the population of Scandanavia? What is the average income in Scandanavia? What is the tax rate for the average Scandanavian? If the government has borrowed SS and Medicare broke....what makes you or anyone think they will not regulate health care to the point of failure just like SS and Medicare? We (sensible Americans) are tired of government bureaucrats robbing us blind to take better care of us. We can manage a few things for ourselves. If government healthcare is the answer...why isn't Congress, the President or {Unions (???)} hitching their wagon to the train they are proposing for the rest of us? Keep moving your lips....we've still got the mute button...

Tujeez1
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Tujeez1 07/23/09 - 10:48 am
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My Take??? That's just it

My Take??? That's just it isn't it.......the rich man just doesn't want to work hard to achieve and give up all of his wealth to care for indigent ignorant people who can't seem to earn it for themselves. I guess next, you'll be proposing that E-1s get in on the planning at the Pentagon too. Maybe the floor sweepers can help out in the boardroom. Maybe you should let your three year old chauffeur you around in your new car. Hell, let's just all sit on our hands and wait for the free ride.....works for you huh?

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