Waterboarding helped protect nation

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Why is waterboarding, which has not been used in years, an issue today? Because the left in this country continues to hate George Bush, and it suits the current administration to stoke the flames.

In the context of 9-11, with little information available, we were rightly concerned about what comes next. We were and still are fighting a vicious enemy who believes the end justifies the means, and the more bodies the better. Post-9-11, waterboarding was an effective method to extract the information we needed to protect our country. We should all remember and give thanks that we have not had a homeland attack in more than eight years.

Should we be willy-nilly about using any form of enhanced interrogation? Of course not. This is why the courts were involved and leaders in both parties were informed. However, as the effect of 9-11 fades in our memory and politics is always fresh, some of our fair-weather leaders are running away from the position they took back then. How convenient.

The question we should all think about, and our President should answer, is: If we have an imminent threat against the United States but we don't have the details we need to protect our country, should we use some sort of enhanced interrogation to get those details?

If the answer is no, then the president needs to level with the American people and tell us not what he doesn't like but what exactly he does like, and what he would do to protect us.

Tom Harris, North Augusta, S.C.

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mad_max
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mad_max 05/18/09 - 12:09 pm
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Here is a fact you can take

Here is a fact you can take to the bank. If the memos about the resulting intel backed up Obama's and Pelosi's case they would have been released regardless of Bush's classification since Obama can wipe that out with the stroke of a pen. Now that Obama is in the hot seat he is starting to understand the reality and the threat. That is why, at least as far as his war, prisoner, GITMO, and intel policies are concerned, he has turned into Bush Light. Bottom line.....Bush was right, Pelosi is a fruitcake, and it ain't just the teleprompter that has Obama stuttering.

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jack 05/18/09 - 12:09 pm
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No Brad, BUSH signed that

No Brad, BUSH signed that directive. He made it illegal to declassify them. Check your facts. There is NEVER any excuse for TORTURE. Also, there isn't any proof that torture works, only statements by one of the most vile men ever to exist, Richard Cheney.
Posted by GACopperhead on Mon May 18, 2009 4:30 AM....More BS from the Copperhead. Bush made the resluts classified AS WELL AS the interrogation techniques themselves. BimbObama declassified and PUBLISHED TOP SECRET information. for purely political reasons to appease his left base. He can, and has the authority to do the same for the RESULTS and won't, again for purely political reasons. I suppost that (God forbid) al Queda strikes us here again, that will be Bush's fault also, right?

jack
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jack 05/18/09 - 12:20 pm
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G'Day Brad. I ain't saying

G'Day Brad. I ain't saying much as you are doing a damn good job of exposing the purely political aspects of this situation and the collateral damage it has caused the DIMocRATs and our National Security.

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Grasshopper 05/18/09 - 12:23 pm
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Jesus already knows the

Jesus already knows the answer!

jack
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jack 05/18/09 - 12:29 pm
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Bush and Cheney started this

Bush and Cheney started this country on the road to ruin. Obama's leadership just may save us. Notre Dame speech was a great start to bring people together on abortion.
Posted by shivas on Mon May 18, 2009 6:57 AM....IF BimbObama would start leading nstead of being P{iloi's puppet, he could maybe get us out of this mess, (BTW, Bush and McCain attempted to reign in Freddie and Fannie but Dodd and Frank over rode them and created the mess we are in). As for bringing this nation "together" on abortion, further could be the truth based on the 51% recent poll shoing supoort of pro-life. Just more of your ignorant babble.

jack
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jack 05/18/09 - 12:35 pm
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Any Private First Class who

Any Private First Class who has graduated from basic training knows that torture is not allowed, ever. Go see your local Army recruiter to see if you can qualify for the short course.
Posted by UncleBill on Mon May 18, 2009 7:22 AM....In case you've missed it (and apperantly you have) we are talking about the CIA, not the military. In WWI, our troops merely shot the Japs rather than take them prisoner, especially after they found out about the barbaric way they treated our troops held as POWs. Yeah, the waterboarded-until the person died from drowning.

jack
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jack 05/18/09 - 12:37 pm
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If water boarding is so

If water boarding is so effective, why did have to be performed 183 times on one person? I'll bet most of you are Christians who favor this, so tell me, who would Jesus water board?
Posted by grouse on Mon May 18, 2009 12:21 PM....Jesus was never attcked by terrorists, just the Romanand Jews. BTW, I would say that what Jesus received at the hands of the Romans was much worse than waterboarding.

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jack 05/18/09 - 12:40 pm
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jubalaearly: no, I read the

jubalaearly: no, I read the U.S. Supreme Court decision Hamdan v. Rumsfeld. Have you? That opinion decisively rejected the bogus distinction you and other conservatives rely on that the Geneva Conventions did not apply to Al Qaeda prisoners since they were not POWs. The court held that so-called "enemy combatants" are fully covered by the Geneva Conventions. The court's opinion is now the law of the land. Can you get your head around that?
Posted by effete elitist liberal on Mon May 18, 2009 8:17 AM....and that decision is as flawed as Roe V Wade in that article 4 of the GC strictly states what a combatant must do to recieve the protection of the GC, and al Queda terrorists do not..

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Grasshopper 05/18/09 - 12:47 pm
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While I am waiting for the

While I am waiting for the wind to calm down, so I can go fishing. I would like a liberal to tell me why they still allow Nancy to be in power?

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shaglorious 05/18/09 - 01:16 pm
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GROUSE, Please do your own

GROUSE, Please do your own homework. No one was waterboarded 183 times. I have explained it on this board before and I will not do it again. GO LOOK IT UP! STAY AWAY FROM HUFFPO AND MEDIAMATTERS AND MOVEON. You owe it to yourself to know what you are talking about BEFORE you start talking.

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bdittle 05/18/09 - 01:26 pm
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Wow, isn't everyone just

Wow, isn't everyone just repeating their points from Friday's LTE?? Milton, depending on her political skill, this may be the Pelosi undoing. You know the GOP is not going to let up until the flesh has been torn from the bone. Fair play, though. She would do the same.

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Niko Mahs 05/18/09 - 01:38 pm
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Waterboarding is torture. If

Waterboarding is torture. If we justified torture then we broke the law. It's that darn simple. We used torture to justify a connection between Al Queda and Iraq. If that is true then Cheney should be in jail. The Pelosi issue would never be an issue if we did not torture. And if you waterboarded Cheney then he would say that he used the enhanced technique to pull off an Iraq & Al Queda connection. And if the Japanese & the Vietnamese used waterboarding, then does us using it lower our values to their lower standards? It's torture, we used it and we broke the law. It's nothing new for Bush/Cheney!

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Bizkit 05/18/09 - 02:10 pm
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Jack what does Roe vs Wade

Jack what does Roe vs Wade have to do with it? Roe vs Wade was a good start. The whole issue is women having to raise children in poverty and dead beat dads or no dads. Women should be allowed a abortion at any time during the pregnancy and I would go so far to say one or two weeks after birth. Give the woman a chance to decide does she really want to raise a child alone or in poverty. The issue isn't whether an unborn baby is a human being but placing woman as slaves to child rearing. Of course it is a human being but that doesn't mean it has a right to live. I do believe the conceptus, mother, and physician should have legal rights that should be weighed. Let the three decide whether to keep or kill the infant. It is part of a solution to reduce poverty, the population, and hopefully produce better offspring. We should have legal torture recognized as a tool for spying and war efforts. What is the big deal? All you religious fundies with your right to life, dignity of life, sanctity of life,more ridiculous non-scientific bullcrap. We are just another animal get over yourselves. Of course there has to be rule of law but death penalty, abortion, euthanasia, suicide, should legal

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Bizkit 05/18/09 - 02:17 pm
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Now we need to have the rule

Now we need to have the rule of law and expose Bush and Cheney's errors-a Truth commission. But once expose and tried then Obama should pardon them as all presidents have been pardoned in the past. I don't believe they had malice or immoral intent just misleading. It is good for the record and American history to expose all our problems so we can correct them. Just like Obama having to apologize for all our mistakes of the past so we can reconsile with other governments. It seems clear to me that Obama is going to have to tear down part of America to rebuild it and correct past injustices just like the civil war had to tear down america to end slavery. It will be to the greater good. CHANGE is coming to correct inequality and injustice. The GOP and religious fundies are dinosaurs becoming extinct. Thankfully Obama pledges his loyalty to science and not fairytales-he just plays the religion game for political reason.

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convertedsoutherner 05/18/09 - 02:21 pm
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"It's torture, we used it and

"It's torture, we used it and we broke the law." So in the same line. It's lying, pelosi knew it, said the CIA didn't tell her, (others witnessed her being told) and she broke the law. So now what?

Bizkit
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Bizkit 05/18/09 - 02:24 pm
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Pelosi wasn't under oath so

Pelosi wasn't under oath so she broke no law. From her perspective she maybe telling the truth that she didn't hear or pick up on all the details of an apparently long briefing. You can't arrest her for a bad memory. That was seven years ago-do you remember details from meeting seven years ago? Why would anyone automatic believe the CIA is telling the truth-you know they release false information all the time for spying reasons.

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southernguy08 05/18/09 - 02:26 pm
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Do you ever notice that libs
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Do you ever notice that libs like NIKO only lash out at Bush and the Repubs but never say how we should combat global terrorism? Maybe we should all just hold hands and sing "We Are The World?"

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Bizkit 05/18/09 - 02:32 pm
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What values and standards. We

What values and standards. We americans have broken every treaty we've ever signed. Don't be ridiculous. Don't let fairy tale religions scue your vision NIKO. Why do you think Obama is having to apologize to every country he visits-not because we are always right. While I wouldn't want to be tortured, I wouldn't want to die or America to fall either. Torture them, kill them whatever, it is war and no time to play nice. I have no doubt the enemy would rape, torture, then kill me. Southernguy you would have to be on drugs not to recognize how Bush and GOP has gotten this country in a world of trouble. Are you brain damaged?

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shaglorious 05/18/09 - 02:40 pm
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MarathonGirl, Are you

MarathonGirl, Are you skipping school again? Do I need to call your mother?

Bizkit
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Bizkit 05/18/09 - 02:40 pm
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The internet police are

The internet police are around so gotta go. Back to set you folks straight later. What if I were shaglorious. You discriminate because of age don't you. Bigot. Or is it gender discrimination? Bigot. My aged mother is too senile to know what is up like most of your posters. Beside I'm in college and far smarter than most of my professors-who know more but are still stupid. Once I finish I will be a force to be reckoned with. Just think I will voting a long time to bring about change. I win. Bye! Shag is also bigotted against japanese like Miko. Showing that ole time religion.

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Bizkit 05/18/09 - 03:04 pm
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O.K. Here we go again.

O.K. Here we go again. MarathonGirl or MalathionGirl is no communist or atheist but just a handful. I will cancel my online subscription.

convertedsoutherner
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convertedsoutherner 05/18/09 - 03:38 pm
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It's a shame that those that

It's a shame that those that try to remake history, will be voting. We must remember that the dims are for things before they are against them and then might be for them again before their against them, again; if you give them enough time..

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southernguy08 05/18/09 - 03:49 pm
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MOXYLADY, your idiotic rants
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MOXYLADY, your idiotic rants sound like you're the one with "dain bramage." Don't just rant...give some details on how Bush and the Reps got us in this country in a "world of trouble." Be careful, you already sound stupid.

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Grasshopper 05/18/09 - 03:55 pm
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Good bye Marathon Moxy Girl,

Good bye Marathon Moxy Girl, come back when you can make a legitimate argument.

Grasshopper
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Grasshopper 05/18/09 - 04:23 pm
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"Women should be allowed a

"Women should be allowed a abortion at any time during the pregnancy and I would go so far to say one or two weeks after birth." Posted by Moxylady on Mon May 18, 2009 2:10 PM You are sick twisted individual!

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cara1985 05/18/09 - 04:32 pm
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milton i am glad that i am

milton i am glad that i am not the only one that read that part of Moxy's post. I couldn't believe it! what she described is called MURDER. she needs to be locked up!

GGpap
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GGpap 05/18/09 - 05:21 pm
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"The fact is, it was not

"The fact is, it was not illegal up to that point! Posted by jubalaearly on Mon May 18, 2009 11:03 AM." The fact is jubalaearly, torture is inhumane, period. Unfortunately, there are some here that appear to revel in swimming and cavorting in the same slime pool that our enemies have polluted with their urine and feces for centuries, and unfortunately, a long hot shower after the swim will NOT remove the stain from their skin nor cleanse their sweating pores; the results of their ill-chosen dip in the cesspool of inhumanity. GGpap

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convertedsoutherner 05/18/09 - 06:08 pm
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Inhumane is when you cut off

Inhumane is when you cut off someone's head not when you pour water over someone while a Dr is standing right there.

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Brad Owens 05/18/09 - 06:10 pm
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Moxylady, It is against the

Moxylady, It is against the law to lie to congress. Pelosi is claiming the CIA lied and misled her on these enhanced interrogation methods. If she is telling the truth, the people at the CIA broke the law. If the CIA and Leon Panetta are telling the truth, then she is lying and should be removed as Speaker of the House. I say lets do the favorite thing of you far lib types, lets INVESTIGATE! If the CIA is right, she gets censured and removed as Speaker, if she is telling the truth we procecute those who were responsible for the misleading information at CIA. What do you say, shall we investigate Pelosi?

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justus5 05/18/09 - 06:24 pm
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Uncomfortable Positions?

Uncomfortable Positions? Sleep Deprivation? Simulated Drowning? Sounds like fraternity pledging to me.

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