Waterboarding helped protect nation

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Why is waterboarding, which has not been used in years, an issue today? Because the left in this country continues to hate George Bush, and it suits the current administration to stoke the flames.

In the context of 9-11, with little information available, we were rightly concerned about what comes next. We were and still are fighting a vicious enemy who believes the end justifies the means, and the more bodies the better. Post-9-11, waterboarding was an effective method to extract the information we needed to protect our country. We should all remember and give thanks that we have not had a homeland attack in more than eight years.

Should we be willy-nilly about using any form of enhanced interrogation? Of course not. This is why the courts were involved and leaders in both parties were informed. However, as the effect of 9-11 fades in our memory and politics is always fresh, some of our fair-weather leaders are running away from the position they took back then. How convenient.

The question we should all think about, and our President should answer, is: If we have an imminent threat against the United States but we don't have the details we need to protect our country, should we use some sort of enhanced interrogation to get those details?

If the answer is no, then the president needs to level with the American people and tell us not what he doesn't like but what exactly he does like, and what he would do to protect us.

Tom Harris, North Augusta, S.C.

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Bizkit
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Bizkit 05/18/09 - 09:09 am
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Everyone agrees Bush's

Everyone agrees Bush's lawyers are some of the best in the country. Like all lawyers they did their best in interpreting the laws. NO different than the Supreme court. You may not like their interpretation but it was legal. Now they say it ain't legal but that may change again. Laws have changed back and forth in history and you can't go back in time as an argument.

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effete elitist liberal 05/18/09 - 09:10 am
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MarathonGirl: before I

MarathonGirl: before I respond to your post on the question of waterboarding, I just want to get one thing clear: you do support gay marriage, right? Obviously you approve of waterboarding, and as you argued, "you can't have it both ways." Please clarify.

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Grasshopper 05/18/09 - 09:12 am
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Girl what does Homosexuality

Girl what does Homosexuality have to with torture? Since, you are an avid evolutionist why do you care? It is just mans way of eradicating one another. Evolution is at work, according to your theory, shouldn't this make you happy?

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Bizkit 05/18/09 - 09:14 am
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I don't support gay marriage

I don't support gay marriage but gay unions. I say that to throw a bone to all the religious fanatics and their precious marriage. All the religious fundamentalist with their dignity and sanctity of life is a joke. NO abortion, no torture, no death penalty, no gay marriage, the party of no. Humans aren't special just like America ain't special. We are just another animal in a country. Milton the fundie creeper speaketh.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 05/18/09 - 09:17 am
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jubalaearly: bye! But let's

jubalaearly: bye! But let's get one thing clear: you never answered my argument. You just quit because you got beat! You never explained why my arguments were "stupid." Essentially your arguments had little to do with the issues, they were ad hominem (look it up...). I'll save you the time: because you couldn't win on message, you attacked the messenger.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 05/18/09 - 09:20 am
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MG, wait a minute, it seems

MG, wait a minute, it seems we agree on a lot. So now I'm a bit confused. Just what was your point in linking waterboarding and gay marriage?

Bizkit
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Bizkit 05/18/09 - 09:21 am
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Effete everyone attacks the

Effete everyone attacks the messenger and not the message here. This place in downright creepy at times.

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overburdened_taxpayer 05/18/09 - 09:22 am
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Real torture is sucking out a

Real torture is sucking out a baby's brains or throwing it to the side to die should it live. This happens every day and people think nothing of it. Waterboard two or three people years ago and everyone is up in arms and lying over what they did and didn't know. Something is very wrong here where people have sympathy for those that choose to kill thousands, if not millions, of us compared to the innocents, who are killing no one, sent to their deaths every day for the convienence of the mother and/or father.

Grasshopper
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Grasshopper 05/18/09 - 09:23 am
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Girl doesn't stand for

Girl doesn't stand for anything! One day she is an avid evolutionist. The next day she is a communist.Who knows what she is today?

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Grasshopper 05/18/09 - 09:26 am
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Girl, I have never made an

Girl, I have never made an attack at you, I just stated that you are a populist and your beliefs change with the wind. Maybe that is why you call yourself Marathon Girl you keep running from one extreme to the other.

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jubalaearly 05/18/09 - 09:27 am
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efete, if that's the case,

efete, if that's the case, why no one except marathon, agree with you? Case closed!

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Bizkit 05/18/09 - 09:27 am
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I'm a socialist and believe

I'm a socialist and believe in science not fantasy. You attack me when you still believe in the tooth fairy. Then look up and re-post my post which is just creepy and sick. I'm really impressed by all that love and tolerance the fundie Milton preaches. No wonder atheism is fasting growing belief. Just think if there were no religions there would probably be world peace-definitely no middle east or islamic fundie terrorism. So I don't see religions have cured any ailments or made people better. Just look at creeper.

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disssman 05/18/09 - 09:31 am
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Brad why don't you prove that

Brad why don't you prove that waterboarding isn't torture? I have an idea, you could submit to waterboarding 12 times a day for the next 3 - 4 weeks, in the middle of Augusta, and then everybody would know it isn't that bad. Give me a break. I for one would never trust anything gleaned by torture and by the looks of things in our little old war, we have been chasing shadows for years based on bad info probably gotten by that type of interogration. BTW I guess jubaearly wants to sit with you to prove your points.

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AAQueen 05/18/09 - 09:40 am
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Didn't Bush say he got the

Didn't Bush say he got the infon on WMD from the CIA?

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jubalaearly 05/18/09 - 09:40 am
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I think ol Nancy P needs a

I think ol Nancy P needs a session on the "board". Might improve here fading memory!

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effete elitist liberal 05/18/09 - 09:41 am
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jubalaearly: welcome back! I

jubalaearly: welcome back! I knew you wouldn't be able to resist.
But to answer your question about why so few agree with me? The AC readership area is extremely conservative; I'm not! These issues are politically charged and so most posters here reflect a conservative political view. Of course I have a liberal political viewpoint, but I do try to use facts when they are available. Here, for example, the fact is that the Supreme Court ruled in 2006 in Hamdan that the POW / "enemy combatant" distinction cannot be sustained and both fall under the protection of the Geneva Conventions. That is the law. So, even if I accept your argument that "back then it was not the law," IT IS NOW, and so today you have to accept that waterboarding is ILLEGAL" and ALL prisoners are subject to GC protections.

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TrukinRanger 05/18/09 - 09:56 am
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Waterboarding is ILLEGAL &
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Waterboarding is ILLEGAL & torturous- period. If they were true enemy combatants then they should have been shot on site. Once we took them in as prisoners of war then they should be treated according to the Geneva Convention rules which we signed. I still am not convinced that they gained any valuable information from these interrogation techniques. Unlike our so-called "christians" these people believe 110% in their faith (whether we agree with it or NOT) and will strap on a bomb and walk into a marketplace and detonate around civilians, to include women & children. They'd rather die in glory than give up information so why in the world would we actually believe that they'd give us anything of value?? They wouldn't. If we had reliable information from them... we'd have Osama by now... we can't even get him with a mult-million dollar reward on his head.

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EARL84 05/18/09 - 10:00 am
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C'mon everybody, Barry and

C'mon everybody, Barry and his buddies and all the justus's and shivas out there are attempting to turn back the clock to 9-10-01. What a terrible and dangerous proposition for all of us, even those who want the terrorists to live like kings. Funny thing is, they see me and justus as the same, two infidels whose heads are going to be chopped off.... sounds like some good "change" to me

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Grasshopper 05/18/09 - 10:01 am
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Girl I didn't resort to name

Girl I didn't resort to name calling, I have just disputed your post. What is the paranoia?

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Bizkit 05/18/09 - 10:03 am
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I agree with Effete and the

I agree with Effete and the rule of law, but in 2002 waterboarding was ruled legal. Now it is illegal again. The supreme court ruled in 2006 and by then it has stopped anyways.

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jubalaearly 05/18/09 - 10:07 am
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We were not talking about

We were not talking about 2006 effetidiot.

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carcraft 05/18/09 - 10:09 am
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AAQueen on Mon May 18, 2009

AAQueen on Mon May 18, 2009 9:40 AM There is a vidio, done by Woodward, in preparing for his book plan of attack where George Tenant (CIA director appointed by Clinton and retained by Bush) says "weapons of mass destruction were a Slam Dunk".

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jubalaearly 05/18/09 - 10:10 am
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tuckin, do you have a

tuckin, do you have a clue---they were designated enemy combatants, not POWs!!!!! Get with the program please!

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effete elitist liberal 05/18/09 - 10:18 am
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MarathonGirl: one

MarathonGirl: one not-so-minor correction. In 2002, waterboarding was NOT "ruled legal." At least not by any court, which "ruled legal" implies.
As I posted earlier, the Bush White House (i.e. Dick Cheney) found willing lawyers employed by the Bush Attorney General's office (duh!) to write opinions (since almost totally savaged even by other former Bush officials) condoning waterboarding. Getting legal cover from friendly and politically compliant lawyers to rationalize a previously illegal act is NOT the same as a "legal ruling" by a court. Of course that's really the point!

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jubalaearly 05/18/09 - 10:22 am
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effete, does "approved" by

effete, does "approved" by congress mean an inkling of anything to you. You are really that stupid, arent't you. The techniques were determined to be legal and were APPROVED BY CONGRESS. Either get over it or shut up, one of the two, please!

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southernguy08 05/18/09 - 10:31 am
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To GACOP, EEL, TRUKINRANGER,
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To GACOP, EEL, TRUKINRANGER, and the other libs who think we can make nice with these terrorists, can I get your guess as to what has kept another 9/11 from happening for nearly 8 years, and how do we combat global terrorism? You seem to have all the answers, so let's hear them! Don't leave out any details. We're all listening!

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effete elitist liberal 05/18/09 - 10:36 am
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jubalaearly: you see, what

jubalaearly: you see, what you still don't seem to "get" is whatever happened with Bush, Cheney, lawyers, Congress 6 or 7 years ago doesn't mean much today. The Supreme Court has made all of that just history.
We can argue all day about that history, and we have; what is not arguable is that TODAY, in the wake of Hamdan, waterboarding IS illegal, regardless of what either the executive or the legislative branches might say. Legally, the case is CLOSED. Now you might think the ruling stupid, but please explain how I am "stupid" for pointing out a fact which you find inconvenient?

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southernguy08 05/18/09 - 10:36 am
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By the way, HOUSE SPEAKER
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By the way, HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI states under oath that although the official record states otherwise, she absolutely didn't have any knowledge about this discussion of waterboarding today or she would have put a stop to it immediately! This idiot has peed on her panties, and still trying to explain the stink! It's better than watching CSI.

Grasshopper
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Grasshopper 05/18/09 - 10:40 am
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Why don't the liberals call

Why don't the liberals call for her to step down? She lied to congress, and her lies to the world, has compromised our nations defense.

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carcraft 05/18/09 - 10:59 am
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President Obama wants to

President Obama wants to negotiate with the "moderate Taliban" in Pakistan. That worked really well for the Pakistanies didn't? Obama has now retained rendition, military tribunals, holding prisoners with out review, all the good things that Bush had in place! The liberals seem to have trouble dealing with Obama's "change we can believe in" so they attack Bush who has been out of office for five months. It is a hoot!! The only differance is that Obama now realizes that some secrecy is not a bad thing. The fact that Pelosie is a lying botox intoxicated power made women is obvious even to some one as dense as Obama!!

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