Waterboarding helped protect nation

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Why is waterboarding, which has not been used in years, an issue today? Because the left in this country continues to hate George Bush, and it suits the current administration to stoke the flames.

In the context of 9-11, with little information available, we were rightly concerned about what comes next. We were and still are fighting a vicious enemy who believes the end justifies the means, and the more bodies the better. Post-9-11, waterboarding was an effective method to extract the information we needed to protect our country. We should all remember and give thanks that we have not had a homeland attack in more than eight years.

Should we be willy-nilly about using any form of enhanced interrogation? Of course not. This is why the courts were involved and leaders in both parties were informed. However, as the effect of 9-11 fades in our memory and politics is always fresh, some of our fair-weather leaders are running away from the position they took back then. How convenient.

The question we should all think about, and our President should answer, is: If we have an imminent threat against the United States but we don't have the details we need to protect our country, should we use some sort of enhanced interrogation to get those details?

If the answer is no, then the president needs to level with the American people and tell us not what he doesn't like but what exactly he does like, and what he would do to protect us.

Tom Harris, North Augusta, S.C.

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Brad Owens
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Brad Owens 05/18/09 - 06:14 am
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PT, lets NOT allow them to

PT, lets NOT allow them to drag this off topic and change a clear cut case of right and wrong (the water boarding issue) over to an emotioanl personal argument about abortion. It is an old high school debate team tactic, divert from the issue you cannot win with the facts on, to an issue that brings personal feelings that cannot be backed up with facts, only emotions and personal beliefs, so that the opposute side is forced to defend an idae or stance that is infinite and not finite. DO NOT FALL FOR IT, stay focused PT and fight them on one issue at a time.

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jubalaearly 05/18/09 - 06:18 am
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grouse, copper. justus and

grouse, copper. justus and shivas, four peas in the idiot pod! Don't know what they are talking about, no facts, just blather!

jubalaearly
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jubalaearly 05/18/09 - 06:21 am
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riverman. these people or not

riverman. these people or not POWs, they are enemy combatants who do not fall under the protection of the Geneva Convention.

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shaglorious 05/18/09 - 06:21 am
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Brad, have any facts been

Brad, have any facts been brought into this debate from the opposition?

UncleBill
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UncleBill 05/18/09 - 06:22 am
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Any Private First Class who

Any Private First Class who has graduated from basic training knows that torture is not allowed, ever. Go see your local Army recruiter to see if you can qualify for the short course.

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Brad Owens 05/18/09 - 06:27 am
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shaq, she knew and she made

shaq, she knew and she made some campaign like sensational claims that now she MUST be held accountable for. YOu cannot call the CIA liars and misleaders and then walk away from that if you are the Speaker of the House. I smell a big fat San Francisco rat.She will face a hard time getting the idiots in her district to reelect her if they find out she knew about the enhanced interrogation methods and did nothing. Newt is right, either way, she is the loser her because she either comes across as dishonest or incompetent. Both are not traits we need in a Speaker of the House.

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jubalaearly 05/18/09 - 06:28 am
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how many people died in Iraq

how many people died in Iraq and afganistan at the hands of the obomoron administration today?

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shaglorious 05/18/09 - 06:29 am
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UncleBill, TORTURE is not the

UncleBill, TORTURE is not the issue. WATERBOARDING is the issue. Just because the democrats deemed waterboarding to be torture in 2006 does not mean that it was in 2002.

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Brad Owens 05/18/09 - 06:30 am
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UncleBill, you are right,

UncleBill, you are right, good thing the enhanced interrogation methods are not 'torture' huh?

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jubalaearly 05/18/09 - 06:31 am
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brad, the sheeple in her

brad, the sheeple in her district are easily fooled, how do you think she is in congress now? By the way, she lied, everyone knows it, nothing will be done and she will remain the speaker. End of story, next?

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jubalaearly 05/18/09 - 06:33 am
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Uncle Bill, do you need a

Uncle Bill, do you need a retake of the "short course" test? Appears you failed.

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patriciathomas 05/18/09 - 06:47 am
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Brad, that's why it was just

Brad, that's why it was just a one line b.s. response. (7:03) I wasn't distracted

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carcraft 05/18/09 - 06:48 am
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shivas on Mon May 18, 2009

shivas on Mon May 18, 2009 6:57 AM Bring us together ? During Obamas tele prompter reading at ND Obama's web site called the pro life people right wing extemeists. Some one called him on it so he changed his web site...HAHA what a clown!Brad Owens on Mon May 18, 2009 7:08 AM Yes it is ironic that she says the Bush administration lied to her when the Bush administration never briefed her on enhanced interrogation!!! Obama and Pelosi deserve each other!!!

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 05/18/09 - 06:54 am
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Fact: the U.S. advocated and

Fact: the U.S. advocated and supported the execution of Japanese soldiers after W.W.II for waterboarding (go ahead, look it up...). John Pritchard, a U.S. attorney at the Tokyo Trials, has written that at the trials the U.S. argued Japan tried to justify waterboarding because it believed "the end justifies the means." Now Tom Harris claims we are fighting another enemy which believes "the end justifies the means." He's right. So it looks like Americans reject "ends-justifying-means" rationale. But what, I ask, is the argument conservatives make for justifying the U.S. use of waterboarding? It is this: Waterboarding might be wrong in most interrogation situations, but it is OK when the lives of many Americans may be at stake. In other words, the end justifies the means. How is it consistent to execute Japanese soldiers for War Crimes for exactly the same practice conservatives now argue the U.S. has the right to use?

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Grasshopper 05/18/09 - 07:02 am
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The liberals who say Bush and

The liberals who say Bush and Cheney were an embarrassment to world. What about Nancy telling the world, that the people in control of the CIA are liars? The CIA is a major part of our nations defense. The United States defense relies on leaders, of other nations, to trust those in control of the CIA. What are the ramifications if our allies lose trust in the CIA? Nancy has compromised our nations defense and should be thrown out of office. If Obama wants to clean up Washington, he would ask for Pelosi to step down.

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jubalaearly 05/18/09 - 07:03 am
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effete, it's called the

effete, it's called the geneva conventions which POWS are covered under. It does not apply no non POW enemy combatants. Have you read any of the previous posts? By the way, the EIT used in these cases were determined not to be torture. Now are you able to "get your head around it"?

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jubalaearly 05/18/09 - 07:04 am
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mil, how soon they forget

mil, how soon they forget that dick and george aren't around anymore!

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carcraft 05/18/09 - 07:08 am
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effete elitist liberal on Mon

effete elitist liberal on Mon May 18, 2009 7:54 AM Tipical liberal BS. What the Japanese did was strap a person to a board and pour gallons of water over him while beating him and forcing him to talk. This went on till the prisoner passed out . The prisoner would swallow water and distend his stomach. After the prisoner passed out the guard would jump on his stomach with his boots or sit on his stomach and bounce until the prisoners vomited. Once the prisoner regained consciousness the process started over. This went on for hours. Can you document that this is the activity that went on during CIA interrogation? The amount of water, the duration of the "waterboarding" and time between "waterboarding" was strictly fallowed, medical personel were present to insure prisoner safty! Stop being a jerk!

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shaglorious 05/18/09 - 07:09 am
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EEL, Have you read the Tokyo

EEL, Have you read the Tokyo trials? Try to research it somewhere other than the HuffPo. READ IT!!!!!

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stewartist 05/18/09 - 07:16 am
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"effete elitist liberal

"effete elitist liberal idiot" - The Japanese were tried for far more brutal tactics than just water boarding.They were also beheading our prisoners you dope. Typical Liberal...leaving out decisive info.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 05/18/09 - 07:17 am
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jubalaearly: no, I read the

jubalaearly: no, I read the U.S. Supreme Court decision Hamdan v. Rumsfeld. Have you? That opinion decisively rejected the bogus distinction you and other conservatives rely on that the Geneva Conventions did not apply to Al Qaeda prisoners since they were not POWs. The court held that so-called "enemy combatants" are fully covered by the Geneva Conventions. The court's opinion is now the law of the land. Can you get your head around that?

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jubalaearly 05/18/09 - 07:19 am
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effete, it was not the law at

effete, it was not the law at the time, CAN you get "your head around that"?

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55 F-100 05/18/09 - 07:52 am
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The terrorists are godless,

The terrorists are godless, ruthless, murdering monsters, and a bsolutely NO interrogation technique should be prohibited. Whatever it takes to obtain information is allowable. My personal favorite would be to shove corks in their nostrils, shove a pound of uncooked sausage in their mouth, and duct tape their mouth closed. If they give up information....great........if not......case closed.

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Bizkit 05/18/09 - 07:53 am
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Well of course back in WWII

Well of course back in WWII waterboarding was illegal but so was homosexuality. Now we are talking about gay marriage and waterboarding is just a advanced interrogation technique. It is called progress-you can't have it both ways. All the anti-torture posters have admitted they would rather their whole family be tortured and killed and all America destroyed to maintain their noble stance on torture. If they knew tortue would save their family or America they wouldn't stoop so low to save either. Hogwash! My guess they lack any ethics and probably cheat on their taxes and spouse and then try and act all moral. Hypocrites.

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Bizkit 05/18/09 - 07:56 am
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Obama knows how to play the

Obama knows how to play the game. Closing GITMO and denouncing torture but reality just move the prisoners and continue with the interrogations and same ole same ole. It is just political maneuvering and he knows U.S. security is more important. Just like he announces he is against gay marriage but reality he will make legal. You have to play the political game with slight of hand.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 05/18/09 - 08:03 am
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jubalaearly: please stop!

jubalaearly: please stop! You can't be that ill-informed or that stupid!
"[It] was not the law at the time." Give me a break! Clearly the Bush White House (read Dick Cheney) knew waterboarding was illegal, so they went lawyer shopping. They got their top in-house legal flunkie John Yoo
to cook up some "opinions" supporting their political goals, "opinions" which have subsequently been totally rejected. Cheney's intent was to gain "legal cover" to do things which were illegal before and are now again illegal afterwards. To claim "it was not the law at the time" is totally disingenuous (look it up...). OK, maybe in your case it's not disingenuousness, maybe it's plain, old-fashioned ignorance.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 05/18/09 - 08:05 am
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55 F-100. Sorry, I have a

55 F-100. Sorry, I have a policy of not responding to posters named for cars or airplanes. Plus, I know a nut case when I see one....

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confederate american 05/18/09 - 08:06 am
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justus4-gacopperhead-riverman

justus4-gacopperhead-riverman1-shivas,question they have your wife,children,father and mother,and they are going to kill them by beheading them.what torture would you authorize to get your family back.are would you just say,their is nothing i can do because i don't want to torture anyone.what a bunch of cowards

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jubalaearly 05/18/09 - 08:09 am
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Effete, it appears congress

Effete, it appears congress approved the EITs, or did you miss that part? Regardless, I quit. You are a perfect specimen of, "you can't cure stupid!"

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Bizkit 05/18/09 - 08:09 am
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Everyone agrees Bush's

Everyone agrees Bush's lawyers are some of the best in the country. Like all lawyers they did their best in interpreting the laws. NO different than the Supreme court. You may not like their interpretation but it was legal. Now they say it ain't legal but that may change again. Laws have changed back and forth in history and you can't go back in time as an argument.

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