Writer misunderstands global warming

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The title of Marvin Murray's recent guest column, "Global warming debate riddled with inaccuracies" (May 10), is a good one, because his column is filled with falsehoods and misconceptions.

He claims there is no consensus that global warming is occurring, yet 97 percent of climate scientists do believe it's likely that man's industrial activities are contributing to long-term global warming. Mr. Murray labels this majority of climate scientists as fanatics, a mindless insult that weakens his own credibility.

Mr. Murray reveals a lack of understanding of the issue when he concludes global warming isn't happening, because some individual years in the past were warmer than recent years. Scientists admit average annual temperatures always have and will fluctuate. But they believe the unnatural increase in greenhouse gases is causing a long-term trend of increased average temperatures.

Mr. Murray wrote that human respiration was the real source of most of the carbon dioxide on the planet. This is a ridiculous falsehood. Humans do exhale carbon dioxide, but the amount is miniscule compared to the burning of fossil fuels. Fossil fuels resulted from the geological process that converted millions of generations of vast forests into coal and oil. Over the past 100 years, factories and cars have suddenly released the massive amount of carbon these fossilized plants slowly absorbed from the atmosphere over millions of years. Moreover, industrial activities release two other greenhouse gases (methane and nitrous oxide) that theoretically contribute to global warming.

Mr. Murray's source, the Nongovernmental Panel on Climate Change, is funded by Big Oil. Industry-funded think-tanks are not good, unbiased sources of information. A better source would be www.realclimate.org.

Mark Gelbart

Augusta

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_SisterAbdullahX_
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_SisterAbdullahX_ 05/13/09 - 04:51 am
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Mark Gelbart has fallen for

Mark Gelbart has fallen for the hype. Try reading facts....not just discarding facts that don't fit your preconceived conclusions. Here's a good example of what I'm talking about. ----------------------http://my.auburnjournal.com/detail/103704.html

willistontownsc
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willistontownsc 05/13/09 - 05:39 am
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Thank you, Mr. Gelbart, for

Thank you, Mr. Gelbart, for understanding FACT from FICTION on global warming. For those who are global warming skeptics, look at the country of Greenland. It is losing ice caps by the thousands of acres.

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GACopperhead 05/13/09 - 06:02 am
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Abdullah, how DO you become

Abdullah, how DO you become more of an expert than 97% of all scientists?
I want some...oh all you have to do is spout what you hear from those who might be discomforted by restrictions on climate damaging actions. I love it....this battle comes down to money to those who don't care if we live or die, just give them their money, and those who wish to live reasonably healthy happy lives. Of course, Abdullah, that big ice flow the size of Rhode Island, you know, the one that took millions of years to form, it just DECIDED on it's own to break off. The thinning of the ice caps to NEVER before known levels is all a figment of the world's imagination. Why are you so interested in protecting those who would destroy our lives for a profit?

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dhd1108 05/13/09 - 06:08 am
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The whole global warming

The whole global warming debate aside, man has an impact on the environment, but changing a lightbulb from incandescent to flourescent wont make a darn bit of difference. Americans need to realize we can't maintain this disposable way of life forever. Unfortunately the way everything is rigged right now we have to consume to keep the economy afloat.

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Talkatoast 05/13/09 - 06:50 am
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Oh boy, GA is another

Oh boy, GA is another sheeple. I feel sorry that you live in such an ignorant bubble and live by what the media says. Al Gore is just trying to steal your money. You poor, poor thing. No wonder why you whine so much about the upper class. You're too ignorant to climb your way up. If you had lived during Adolf's time, you'd probably be one of the people hailing the Nazis, as you're brainwashed so easily.

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confederate american 05/13/09 - 06:59 am
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if you beleive in this global

if you beleive in this global warming bs,you have to be one of the many idiots walking around stupid.its just a money grab thing.wake the h--l up people.

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afadel 05/13/09 - 07:25 am
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I can't understand why people

I can't understand why people who identify themselves as "conservative" fail to support environmental protections. One of the first things my parents taught me as a child was to put things back the way I found them. Right now, humanity is putting carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases into the atmosphere at unprecedented rate. We don't know for certain what the long-term consequences will be, but the "conservative" position IMO is to (1) take moral responsibility to leave the planet "like we found it" and (2) not to play games with the lives of the billions of people on this planet who could be harmed by climate change. I thank Mr. Gelbart for his letter.

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patriciathomas 05/13/09 - 07:25 am
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The 97% of climate scientists

The 97% of climate scientists that agree with this silly old unproven concept are not involved with anything other than promotion of the global warming scam.

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LBenedict 05/13/09 - 07:46 am
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Who are these 97%? If it is

Who are these 97%? If it is true, could they be playing with numbers in order to create fear and panic in order to save their jobs for a few more years? By the way, the average annual temperature of Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn have increased over the past 3 years...so...is that a result of man's industrial activities???

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Little Lamb 05/13/09 - 07:57 am
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Hey, did you hear the news

Hey, did you hear the news that the right whale population birthed a record number of calves this year? At least global warming is saving the whales!

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soldout 05/13/09 - 08:37 am
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The gases went up during the

The gases went up during the depression as industrial output went down worldwide which shows there is zero connection between what man is doing and the gases produced. The majority is usually wrong in most things. That is a law you can depend on and makes lots of money on too.

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egan01 05/13/09 - 09:10 am
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Mr Gelbert probably thinks Al

Mr Gelbert probably thinks Al Gore is a scientist. After all he did invent the internet didn't he?

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drumbeater1 05/13/09 - 09:13 am
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this is a sore subject with

this is a sore subject with me. while i beleive climate changes , left to themselves, occur in a natural cyclical manner, i also beleive 200 years of spewing every known poison we can come up with into the air and water has had a very adverse effect on a sensitive and delicatley balanced system.i agree with some of you, the ice caps,glaciers,etc. are melting at an alarming rate. when i was 12/13 yrs old, i deer hunted in november/december...it was cold as hell. nowadays, you sit in the woods and fan mosquitoes....so don't tell me the climate hasn't changed. it has nothing to do with brain wasing , i know from experience that our earth is changing, i see it, i feel it. why is it so many of you are denying this very obvious fact for the sake of arguing politics. if the planet is in trouble liberals and conservatives are both in trouble.

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TechLover 05/13/09 - 09:25 am
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brotherx:the link you posted

brotherx:the link you posted is from a blog referencing a rehashing of Sen James Inhofe's minority report. Inhofe's campaigns are financed greatly by oil, coal, and other energy and mining concerns. Many of the "scientists" he lists are misquoted or partially quoted out of context. Most are not climatologists and many are not scientists at all (over 40 are TV weathermen and some are economists). He's doing nothing more than looking after the pocketbooks of those from whom he receives his campaign donations.

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used2Bjonny 05/13/09 - 09:34 am
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"97 percent of climate

"97 percent of climate scientists do believe it's likely that man's industrial activities are contributing to long-term global warming." Really, Mr. Gelbart? Where do you get that number? I can pull statistics out of my butt, too... "97% of psychologists believe that losers who try to win arguments by earnestly presenting fake statistics as real ones, are whack jobs who ought to be relegated to the job of cleaning up Bo Obama's little "gifts" on the White House lawn." The only time anything like "97%" came up was in the IPCC "review," which included government officials who 'oversee' scientists, as well as "scientists" from a variety of fields having nothing to do with climate change. Want a real laugh? Listen to a scientist, or any academic, try to discuss something outside of his or her field of expertise...it's pretty funny...most of the people on the IPCC list would have been unable to describe accurately the principles of basic plumbing at work in the avg American home, much less the complex interplay of ocean currents, solar radiation and atmospheric gases that make up "climate." Most of them, in fact, were unaware that the planet has been flat/cooling for a decade...

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used2Bjonny 05/13/09 - 09:40 am
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"Scientists admit average

"Scientists admit average annual temperatures always have and will fluctuate." Yes. Scientists also "admit" that heavy objects will hurt if gravity causes them to land on your foot. Not hard to get "scientists" to "admit" to that which is patently obvious...makes one wonder who the "scientists" are whom Mr. Gelbart is citing. In fact, although one small peninsula of Antarctica is losing ice mass, the continent as a whole is GAINING mass. That's something that "scientists" will "admit." The 'endangered' polar bear population is INCREASING. That's something else that "scientists" will "admit." The Himalayan ranges that have been covered with snow for all of human history, and that are now losing their snow, are found to have silver mines in them that were abandoned (presumably by the humans who dug them, during, you know, 'human history') when the snows came...you know, during 'human history.' That is something else that "scientists" will "admit". Interestingly, it is liberals who will not "admit" that the climate sensor stations located in the middle of acres of blacktop, located next to HVAC units, and (my favorite) in the jetwash zones of airports, might be inaccurate...

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used2Bjonny 05/13/09 - 09:42 am
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"Humans do exhale carbon

"Humans do exhale carbon dioxide, but the amount is miniscule (sic) compared to the burning of fossil fuels." Yes. And the burning of fossil fuels is minuscule when compared to one good volcanic eruption. And a volcano is minuscule when compared to the radiation output from the sun.

used2Bjonny
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used2Bjonny 05/13/09 - 09:43 am
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Jesus...what a maroon...I'm

Jesus...what a maroon...I'm waiting for one of these idiots to explain why the icecaps on MARS are shrinking. Just once, please? Do we really think that George W. Bush aged so poorly in office because he never got any sleep, due to the fact that he spent his nights shuttling Earth's CO2 to Mars, to promote Martian Warming there, too???

used2Bjonny
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used2Bjonny 05/13/09 - 09:52 am
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"Moreover, industrial

"Moreover, industrial activities release two other greenhouse gases (methane and nitrous oxide)" Don't know about nitrous... I do know that the planet's population of anchovies (just that one species) produces more excrement in one day than the population of humans does in a year, and that the anchovies' waste will decompose and produce more methane than all human activity (including raising farting cattle, and all the rest of it) combined. Now, mind you, that does NOT mean that we should not seek to bring the cleanest technologies possible online, as soon as possible. I am all for the portable nuclear reactor concept (http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/earth/4273386.html) and any other large-scale roll-out of nuclear power, combined with electric cars (charged with our newly-clean nuclear energy) using essentially immortal capacitors instead of dirty lead or NiH batteries (http://www.sciencentral.com/articles/view.php3?article_id=218392803). Unfortunately, the "green" lobby in this country is duplicitous; "green" initiatives are invariably about advancing socialism rather than pushing for technologies you can research w/a 5-sec. Google search...pathetic.

drumbeater1
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drumbeater1 05/13/09 - 10:04 am
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used2bjonny....to quote a

used2bjonny....to quote a line from the movie armegeddon..."we need to hear from someone who's had a little less caffiene this morning".
if you are trying to draw a comparison between anchovie crap, and the toxic spew of factories,refineries, and power plants across the globe, you are the one full of s**t.

used2Bjonny
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used2Bjonny 05/13/09 - 10:37 am
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No, drumbeater, I'm not. Do

No, drumbeater, I'm not. Do some research before you start calling names (oh, wait, you're a liberal...um...what stands in place of research, data, and logical thought for a liberal? Maybe all that anchovy effluvium...). Anyway, the writer referred to METHANE, and so I provided some data about METHANE. See how that works? You actually provide information that is relevant to the point that your interlocutor is making...it's called "rational discourse." You ought to give it a try, some time...then again, I'm directing these comments to someone whose theoretical framework is drawn from a Bruce Willis movie. Um...try this: "Four legs good! Two legs bad!" That ought to be just about the level of complexity you are equipped to understand...

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Bizkit 05/13/09 - 10:41 am
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I think the scientist now

I think the scientist now agree manmade gases influence global warming but it isn't so much industrial as agricultural practices and livestock practices. Stopping all industry wouldn't influence greenhouse gases as much as agriculature and livestock. Not a simple solution no matter the cause with people starving all over the world.

used2Bjonny
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used2Bjonny 05/13/09 - 10:42 am
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My point about the toxic

My point about the toxic metals and other pollutants to which you refer, drum, is that lifting the restrictions on nuclear power would make electricity plentiful, clean, and cheap. That would increase demand (i.e. lower the price) of microtube capacitors, with the result that all that nasty, stinky petroleum would be something that we could largely leave in the ground, where it does not stink the place up. Ditto coal. However, the technology is available, the technology already works, and the same people who claim to support "green" work day and night to oppose these technologies. Instead, they support...what approach? Why, raising taxes, of course! Somehow, no matter WHAT the issue is, liberals always manage to bring it around to increased state control, higher taxation, reduced individual liberty...it's amazing, really, how consistent you are...

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imdstuf 05/13/09 - 11:38 am
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Do not bother arguing with

Do not bother arguing with people like PT and Confederate. They really do not care because they are probably both old and it does not matter to them what happens in the long run.

Ode
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Ode 05/13/09 - 11:39 am
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97% of scientists may have

97% of scientists may have the same opinion but they can not factually prove global warming exists. The earth is currently heating up. It is cyclical just like the ice age and scientists can not explain why. To think man is the root cause is well.....just arrogance and myth at this point.

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zzzzzzt 05/13/09 - 11:50 am
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I thought Mr gelbarts choice

I thought Mr gelbarts choice of words was quite telling and illustrated perfectly the problems many people have with global warming. He said 97% of scientists "believe" in man made global warming. People believe in God, people believe in Santa Clause, and people believe in the easter bunny. His choice of words acknowledges that made made global warming is theory.

drumbeater1
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drumbeater1 05/13/09 - 12:08 pm
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usedup2bjonny...i am a

usedup2bjonny...i am a drummer, i understand the complexities of both hands and both feet doing different things at the same time, uhhhh,i beleive in the drumming world it's called poly-rythyms.
may i suggest you start with a more basic technigue, like walking and chewing gum....btw , mr. gelbart's casual mention by name of methane and , don't overlook, nitrous hardly deserved the treatise you provided. one last point, i am not a liberal by faith, but i do have the common sense to know that mankind , as the rational think species you are so prousdof needs to wake up and smell the coffee, or in this case wake up and feel theclimate change, and for once plan ahead, like decades ahead, and base the plan of action on what's best for our survival, not what's best for some corprate bottom line.and lastly i despise taxes, i despise "giveaway" programs, and i am all for the continued, improved..s-a-f-e use of cleaner energies.
ps,pardon me but your thesaurus is showing.....

willistontownsc
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willistontownsc 05/13/09 - 12:30 pm
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Actually, imdstuf, global

Actually, imdstuf, global warming is happening to both of them -- as well as to all of us -- right now. Nearly every human being on Earth is to blame for it -- regardless of ideology. We do not recycle, we are out-of-control with regards to procreation, we throw Hg into our oceans. And now, ice caps near both poles are paying the price for it -- and polar bears are now dying because their habitat is melting away.

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Bizkit 05/13/09 - 12:53 pm
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Funny 97% of scientist

Funny 97% of scientist believe in global warming and 99.9% believe in evolution, but around Augusta GA everyone believes the earth is 10,000 years old and global warming is a myth. Bunch of hayseeds. Like living with the Amish.

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1beachbum 05/13/09 - 01:05 pm
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M-girl, you are so right! All

M-girl, you are so right! All it takes is a little common sense. More people= more polution= more going into the atmosphere. Are we sooo arrogant as a species that we honestly think we can't impact the planet? Why not? We've impacted EVERYTHING else!

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