Fair-weather Pelosi

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Nothing describes the Democratic "leadership" in Washington so much as "fair-weather friends."

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., famously declared the Iraq War "lost" while U.S. troops were still in the heat of battle. Nice. And, obviously, quite wrong.

Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., declared a handful of Marines guilty of war crimes before the evidence was in. Nice. And, oh by the way, quite wrong.

Now, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has turned on her government by claiming she never knew harsh interrogation methods were being used on terror suspects.

She's lying.

Intelligence information released this past week not only contradicts her, but indicates she was one of the first two members of Congress briefed on interrogation methods - way back in 2002.

Back then, the weather was fair. Now the climate is different, and Pelosi is shocked - shocked! - to find out waterboarding was going on!

Now, in other words, the political winds have shifted and she's against it.

She is beyond reprehensible. She has been lying to save her own skin and throwing her country overboard in her attempt to be at the head of the anti-American parade on "torture."

And this woman is third in line to the presidency.

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_SisterAbdullahX_
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_SisterAbdullahX_ 05/12/09 - 03:56 am
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No doubt someone will

No doubt someone will rationalize Pelosi and others lies by saying something to the effect of "well Bush lied too!" Just wait for it.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 05/12/09 - 03:56 am
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That woman is torture to

That woman is torture to listen to.

justus4
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justus4 05/12/09 - 04:04 am
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The article is completely
Unpublished

The article is completely wrong and anyone familiar with intelligence briefings can prove it. This memo released is from Bush/Cheney loyalists still at the Agency, who are trying to save face for the previous administration. The Speaker acknowledges she was "briefed" about the availability of enhanced methods, but was not briefed specificly on waterboarding and that it was being used at that time. She is more likely accurate than the Agency's memo. Why? Well, think about that Agency and it's budgets, it's personnel, it's missions around the globe, and their history. The budgets are secret, most agents involved are secret and it's history is checkered especially when dealing with telling the "truth." They did whats typical to satisfy the protocol, which is to brief Congress, but leave out specific details, to allow Agency leaders the wiggle room to say, "we informed the congress and did nothing in the dark" while doing exactly that: Informing only the (R)Chairman and his minions and not democrats on the committee. So Cheney instructs his contacts still at the Agecny to release the memo, giving the appearance of the Speaker being "in the loop." A predictable set of events.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 05/12/09 - 04:06 am
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The three politicians listed

The three politicians listed are low life scum and very successful at convincing their party that they should be leaders. Of course Pelosi is lying, it's her job. She'll receive many accolades from her supporters and much support from her party members. To the victors go the spoils. So what if this woman is 3rd in line to the presidency? How is she any less that the #1 and #2 in line?

willistontownsc
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willistontownsc 05/12/09 - 04:10 am
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Once again, the ACES are

Once again, the ACES are telling a bold-faced lie about the Speaker. Pelosi DIDN'T know about every single one of the techniques -- she only knew a fraction of all the torturous techniques the criminals in the Bush White House used. If Pelosi knew about ALL of the techniques, she would have told someone in the media about it back then.

_SisterAbdullahX_
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_SisterAbdullahX_ 05/12/09 - 04:16 am
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willistontownsc....since it

willistontownsc....since it is documented that she was briefed on EVERY technique, especially waterboarding, she would have to either be lying or stupid to no know about it. Which is it?

catfish201
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catfish201 05/12/09 - 04:35 am
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It is also torture to look at

It is also torture to look at Pelosi.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 05/12/09 - 04:43 am
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Sister X, I see it took 15

Sister X, I see it took 15 minutes before you got a bite on the "Bush did it" hook.

overburdened_taxpayer
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overburdened_taxpayer 05/12/09 - 05:04 am
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Justus4 - Come on, you expect

Justus4 - Come on, you expect us to believe that YOU know anything about intelligence briefings? I have read numerous posts of yours and for you to insinuate you know anything about intelligence is, at best, laughable.

overburdened_taxpayer
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overburdened_taxpayer 05/12/09 - 05:07 am
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willistontwonsc - I did not

willistontwonsc - I did not know that you were so close with the Speaker that you could presume to KNOW what she did or didn't know. I'm impressed (not really).

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 05/12/09 - 05:22 am
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Former Sen. Bob Graham who

Former Sen. Bob Graham who was on the Select Intelligence committee with Nancy Pelosi & received a classified CIA briefing in the fall of 2002 also states that he was not briefed about the use of either waterboarding or enhanced interrogation techniques during the meeting. Justus4 makes a great point in his 5:04 am post. The Bush/Cheney admin. left behind plants at the CIA & in other agencies including the Department of Justice. They put out disinformation. The Augusta Chronicle editorial staff (ACES) headed by editorial editor Mike Ryan are the ones doing the lying here. The Democrat Establishment should have spoken out or objected in other ways to what were clearly unconstitutional & illegal practices by the Bush administration. Rep. Jane Harmon comes immediately to mind, but remember that intelligence committee members are sworn to secrecy when their receive classified intelligence briefings. They cannot discuss what they are told even with their own staff. Besides the practice of waterboarding which is clearly torture, the CIA also used sleep deprivation & stress positioning. Detainees were chained in a standing position & kept awake for as many as 11 days. Torture is illegal.

Reality
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Reality 05/12/09 - 05:22 am
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I think that I can safely

I think that I can safely say, that most of the politicians lie to fit in the current climate or save there bum. We are fortunate(most of us) enough to understand that it crosses party lines. The part that gets tricky is deciding which lies actually have an impact on us as citizens...

shaglorious
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shaglorious 05/12/09 - 05:58 am
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Reality, You are right in

Reality, You are right in that MOST politicians lie. MOST voters understand that. WILLISTONTOWN and JUSTUS4 are the exceptions. They prefer to think that the Augusta Chronicle is lying. HEY WILLI, READ THIS LINK!
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22401.html

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 05/12/09 - 06:03 am
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Cain, torture is illegal? and

Cain, torture is illegal? and you continue to post your blindered drivel? Isn't that somewhat hypocritical?

jack234
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jack234 05/12/09 - 06:07 am
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bush lied too. hello! hello!

bush lied too. hello! hello!

Reality
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Reality 05/12/09 - 06:12 am
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To be blunt, information

To be blunt, information gathering from the enemy during war times is not something the general public can stomach. All that most people need to know, is that some one is keeping it safe for you to sleep at night. Instant media is to blame, too much information......

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 05/12/09 - 06:29 am
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Winston Churchill refused to

Winston Churchill refused to allow the 300 or so German airmen captured at the height of the blitz to be tortured in an effort to get information from them because it violated basic British values. They is NO EXCUSE for United States using torture in the wake of 9/11. Torture does not work, and it violates basic American values. The American people have every right to know what is being done in our name. I'll bet Reality is military or former military and reflects an unfortunate mindset that is now widespread in the military and among Americans who have forgotten the most basic of American values. When former President Bush assured the American people in the fall of 2005 in Panama City, Panama on his way back from an economic summit in Argentina by telling us "United States does not torture", then President George W. Bush was lying through his teeth. He authorized and ordered the use of torture. He and those lawyers who tried to rationalize the use of torture are war criminals. The bottom line question is not how knew about torture but who ordered torture and who carried out illegal orders.

2tired2argueanymore
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2tired2argueanymore 05/12/09 - 06:35 am
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Has Justus ever started a

Has Justus ever started a post with anything but "The article is wrong.."?

americanveteran
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americanveteran 05/12/09 - 06:37 am
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Pelosi, Murtha, Reid, Obama,

Pelosi, Murtha, Reid, Obama, are a a bunch of "two faced liars" that will be able to get away with anything that they do or say for the next three and a half years until the American People come out of the coma that they have been in and vote these "lying, unamerican, socialist" out of office.

I am no lover of the Republicans or George Bush, but I did feel a lot safer at night when the Republicans were in charge of the White House.

Let us get attacked again and it will be the Republicans fault for not gathering enough information from the bad guys and not being ready. Teflon coated Democrats will run for cover and play the "blame game" all over again. The news media, which is in the "back pocket" of Barry Obama will suck up to the Dems and also blame the Republicans.

American Voters, please come to your senses and let's vote both Dems and Repubs out of office and put in some honest, loyal, statesmen and stateswomen who love our country and believe in the Christian Values that are nation was founded on before it is TOO LATE!

Grasshopper
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Grasshopper 05/12/09 - 06:40 am
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I have a hard time believing

I have a hard time believing a lady like Pelosi could tell the truth even if she wanted to. She is the leader of the progressive movement,and she wants to destroy the US Constitution. Listen to the words that comes out of this lady's mouth, and all you will understand what her goals are.

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 05/12/09 - 06:46 am
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Am I right or wrong to assume

Am I right or wrong to assume that LYING is one of the qualifications needed to be elected to represent the people of the United States of America?

overburdened_taxpayer
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overburdened_taxpayer 05/12/09 - 06:48 am
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Our enemies have been

Our enemies have been torturing our citizens since before we went to war. Do you not remember people having to make a choice to burn up in a fire or jump to their deaths? I think there was a lot more psychological damage done to those citizens, it just didn't last as long. And what about the beheadings? Did you hear the one's taped screaming because they were being hacked to death? Seems to make waterboarding a prank. So no one is PROTECTING our soldiers by not employing tactics that produce results or not revealing them and it definately saves lots of citizens from facing jump or burn. And if you don't think they produce results then when were we attacked again under Bush's presidency? The Geneva Convention applies to uniformed military personnel and does NOT apply to anyone that is not part of an organized govermental entity especially terrorists.

Reality
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Reality 05/12/09 - 06:57 am
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Well said, I concur....

Well said, I concur....

shaglorious
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shaglorious 05/12/09 - 06:57 am
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Overburdened, unfortunately

Overburdened, unfortunately your post includes logic. Alot of the folks on here do not speak that language.

slippery 25
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slippery 25 05/12/09 - 07:47 am
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At a time when Americans need

At a time when Americans need their Congress to work on positive and productive legislation. They continue to grandstand on the past use of so called tortoure on 3 low life murders. This is evidence we now have the most inept congress in history. Our speaker of the house is most defintely not being honest with us.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 05/12/09 - 07:53 am
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Responding to overburdened

Responding to overburdened taxpayer's 7:48 AM post: The Supreme Court of United States ruled in June 2004 that U.S. citizens and foreign nationals seized as potential terrorists can challenge their treatment in U.S. courts. In June 2006 the Supreme Court ruled that the military commissions established to try Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, detainees violate both U.S. law and the Geneva Conventions. In June 2008 the Supreme Court of the United States held, in a 5-4 decision, that the men imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay have the constitutional right to habeas corpus. One of the oldest and most basic legal protections, habeas corpus affords the incarcerated the right to stand before a judge and confront the charges presented against him or her.

AAQueen
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AAQueen 05/12/09 - 08:01 am
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Overburden you have no

Overburden you have no negative response because they know you are speaking the truth and they don't know what to say. LOL.

Now here's my truth. I APPROVE of anything thats inflicted on the enemy in the name of war as long as it saves American lives. In hindsight I would have gladly participated in waterboarding, beatings, burnings, any form of torture of one of the 911 terrorist if it would have prevented ONE plane from hitting the towers or Pentagon.

overburdened_taxpayer
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overburdened_taxpayer 05/12/09 - 08:03 am
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And Obama changed his mind

And Obama changed his mind about military commissions. It's all a matter of interpretation and my interpretation is that these animals deserved to be treated like animals. And not PETA's version either. Let's see when you or a family member are faced with burning alive or jumping to your death how you feel then. But, we won't have that much time to find out how you feel if it's you will we JRHC?

afadel
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afadel 05/12/09 - 08:08 am
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I agree with the ACES that

I agree with the ACES that Pelosi did not have spine to oppose Bush administration policies, and that she and the Bush Administration officials (and Bush and Cheney) and anybody else who conspired to introduce torture should be exposed through an independent investigation. Regarding the war in Iraq being "won", (the ACES and other pro-war types have never told us what victory would look like), it was a loss from day 1 since it was unnecessary and every death, both U.S. and Iraqi, was a war crime on the hands of Bush et al. But the most ugly thing in this editorial is its continued defense of torture. Check out http://tinyurl.com/rxrxkm. This explains how torture led to false intelligence about al-Qaida and Iraq, which Rice and Powell then used to advocate for the invasion of Iraq.

AAQueen
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AAQueen 05/12/09 - 08:29 am
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Afadel Don't make it seem

Afadel
Don't make it seem like Rice and Powell advocated thw war. Certain percentages must be casualties of war. Sure if one of my family members were burned or tortured I would be furious mad;sad, set on revenge etc.

Isn't that whats happening now to the average american civilian or soldier in these regions. Aren't they dragged through the street, beheaded and then videos sent to the American public.
I don't fault Bush for the war although I'm one of those extreme liberals you all bash daily. I believe he did what he thought was right with a little bit of revenge thrown in.
And anyone can say what they want to on a blog; that still dosen't make it right or factual.

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