Mooning the military

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Much was made of the passing mention of secession recently by Texas Gov. Rick Perry.

But left-wing activists in California are essentially pushing a secessionist agenda -- and astonishingly, they're getting a significant number of voters to agree.

Cities such as Arcata and Eureka, Calif., have asked voters whether U.S. military recruiters should be banned from trying to sell a military life to anyone there younger than 18. In both cities, voters agreed to the ban.

What's that got to do with secession? Everything but the word.

They don't believe in the constitutional duty of the federal government to provide for a common defense; they want someone else to provide for their own safety and security, and they don't expect to be asked to participate in it. They, in fact, want to make it criminal to ask their children to consider participating in the country's defense.

Moreover, they want to usurp the role of the federal government with city ordinances.

You trash the Constitution like that, you essentially opt out of the Constitution.

These people's view of the military is contemptuous and reprehensible. They see military recruiters like they see child predators. They talk about the Marine recruiter in the same breath that they mention Joe Camel.

They claim they want to give parents the power to "protect" their children from unwanted solicitations from military recruiters -- yet, you can bet many of them have no problem suggesting that underage children see an abortionist or get birth control from the school without a parent's consent.

This isn't about protecting children; it's about turning entire cities' backs to the very fighting force that protects their backsides.

And in the process, they dishonor the men and women who volunteer to protect us.

That's another thing: This isn't a draft; we have built the world's best fighting force out of volunteers. And recruiters aren't stalking anybody. They make themselves available for young men and women who have the least bit of curiosity about all the military has to offer them, from educations to job training to discipline to achievement -- to the greatest opportunity any employer can offer someone: the opportunity to serve.

Even Barack Obama, the darling of the far left, espouses an infinitely greater appreciation for the military than our friends in northern California. When asked at a press conference Wednesday night what "enchanted" him about being president, here's what he said:

"When I meet our servicemen and women -- enchanted is probably not the word I would use. But I am so profoundly impressed and grateful to them for what they do. They're really good at their job. They are willing to make extraordinary sacrifices on our behalf. They do so without complaint. They are fiercely loyal to this country.

"And, you know, the more I interact with our servicemen and -women, from the top brass down to the lowliest private, I'm just -- I'm grateful to them."

The folks in some California towns don't want their children exposed to that.

We find it utterly disgusting that some Americans want to treat military recruiters like sexual predators.

Shame on them. They're not just mooning the military; they're turning their backs on America and our sacred pledge to serve and protect each other.

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patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 05/04/09 - 03:23 am
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Northern California had more

Northern California had more than it's share of "communes" during the "hippie" era. These silly towns are some of the products. Of course, the same people that whine about military recruiters have television and internet in their house. They'll have to live the life of the Amish to block their children from being aware of the recruiters. While the attitude of these towns is worth mentioning, it's hardly worth taking seriously. Once they realize military recruiting is often tied to federal aid the complaints quiet.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 05/04/09 - 04:06 am
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Military recruiters are known

Military recruiters are known to start efforts to recruit students as early as middle school. With increasing pressure on recruiters to meet their quotas, many have made wild promises to potential recruits. Sometimes recruiters promise students they will get the type of training & job they want, but recruits find out things change after they enlist. The bottom line is that children are minors until age 18. By law parents have the final say in whether or not the military may court their minor children. Beyond that, teenagers are not known for making rational decisions. The areas of the brain that have to do with judgment & wise decision making do not fully mature in males until the age of 25. The majority of the members of the military who are killed in Iraq & Afghanistan are in their late teens & early 20s. Thus the expression "Old soldiers never die but young ones do." Parents absolutely have the right to tell the US military it cannot contact their minor children at home or harass their minor children at school by repeatedly approaching them with the recruiter's pitch. Parents who do not want their minor children hussled by military recruiters can visit www.leavemychildalone.org

_SisterAbdullahX_
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_SisterAbdullahX_ 05/04/09 - 04:15 am
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Cain....I'm sure you would

Cain....I'm sure you would rather just not have a military. Maybe we shouldn't recruit at all....then we wouldn't have freedom of speech, and wouldn't have to read such stupid drivel from Mr. Cain.

HotFoot
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HotFoot 05/04/09 - 04:48 am
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Even when the AC editorial

Even when the AC editorial board has a point,they ruin it by taking it over the top: "...you can bet many of them have no problem suggesting that underage children see an abortionist or get birth control from the school without a parent's consent." Truth is, you have no idea how these parents feel about those issues. Moreover, you gotta be kidding when you write, "You trash the Constitution like that, you essentially opt out of the Constitution." I guess Dubya opted out, huh....? Beyond the usual, deplorable tactics, I believe the AC is right...to a POINT. And that point is that NO ONE should have the right to contact students under the age of 17 in person or by phone directly. Mailed materials, school recruitment (as long as other possible futures are represented, such as college recruiters)--fine. I sawy "17", not 18, because kids need to know their options a year before graduation so they can plan. Just my opinion.

bone
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bone 05/04/09 - 04:48 am
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libs start recruiting much

libs start recruiting much younger than middle school these days. with increasing pressure on lib recruiters to meet their quotas, many have made wild promises to potential recruits ("gov't health care! higher taxes for the rich! loan forgiveness!"). sometimes libs promise idiots the type of training they want ("here's how you fill out a form to get more free gov't handouts..."), but recruits find things change after they enlist. the bottom line is that children are idiots until they begin paying taxes and earning a decent wage. by law parents are excluded from having the final say in whether or not their child is indoctrinated by public schools pushing a lib curriculum. the areas of the brain that have to do with judgment & wise decision making do not fully mature in males until the age of 25 - or in the case of JRHC, never. parents who do not want their minor children hussled by lib recruits can visit their local schools - although it won't do much good, since the "local" in public education has been pushed aside for the "national" standards written by...lib recruiters.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 05/04/09 - 05:00 am
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Obama is an excellent example

Obama is an excellent example of what happens when a liberal is exposed to the dangers in the world and learns the role our military has in protecting us. Once they understand, they change their tune.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 05/04/09 - 05:15 am
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brilliant post bone (5:48)

brilliant post bone (5:48)

Grasshopper
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Grasshopper 05/04/09 - 05:25 am
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Nancy Pelsoi one of this

Nancy Pelsoi one of this nations high ranking leaders supports this and many other left wing nut ideas. She is the most dangerous person to our nations sovereignty. She is a flat out dictator. Go listen to her speeches and interviews, she is the advocate of the socialist movement. What comes out of the mouth is from the heart, and her heart is full of fascism. Study Marxism and the rise of Stalin and Hitler. You will find her ideology and speeches shockingly similar. Keep speaking Mrs. Speaker of the house, and let it out, soon enough the nation will be un-blinded by your true colors.

shivas
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shivas 05/04/09 - 05:46 am
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The AC is starting to justify

The AC is starting to justify the hate America agenda of the right-wing. This is pure rationalization. Continue to hate America and then wonder why you keep losing elections and credibility with moderates.

Grasshopper
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Grasshopper 05/04/09 - 05:54 am
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Well I will leave it to Jack,

Well I will leave it to Jack, to set the liberals straight,

jaschild
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jaschild 05/04/09 - 06:09 am
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i love it bone man.

i love it bone man.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 05/04/09 - 06:19 am
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shivas, you need to re-read

shivas, you need to re-read this editorial. The AC isn't supporting the goofy stance of these two California towns.

afadel
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afadel 05/04/09 - 06:30 am
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To hear from some of the

To hear from some of the organizers of the initiative which restricted military recruiting, visit http://www.democracynow.org/2009/4/14/california_towns_fight_back_agains....

I would also recommend the American Friends Service Committee video "Before You Enlist", available at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fkkdoDOIJM.

Military recruiters' access to minors should be restricted. In some places, recruiters are provided offices in high schools and use class time to promote careers in the military.

shaglorious
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shaglorious 05/04/09 - 06:39 am
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This is yet another example

This is yet another example of bias in the media. Everyone in the media(and a few on this board) were upset about what Rick Perry said. Even had it wrong. The truth is Vermont has been working on a plan to secede for years! California, Washington state, Oregon..... WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE??

Martinez
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Martinez 05/04/09 - 06:49 am
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Recruiting children, yes

Recruiting children, yes children, those under 18 should be banned. If recruitment tactics were as simple as handing out a brouchure or having an open and HONEST conversation about what the military offers - I wouldn't be opposed. The truth of it is military recruiters promise the world to young kids to naive to know the difference. How many people get their top five choices of occupations, bases, etc? How many are truly explained the call back period following the stated length of your contract? How many are truly told that your end of the contract is non-negotiable but the government's end of the contract can change at will with no "opt out" available outside of Dishonor? I am grateful to everyone who makes the choice to serve in the military. I just don't agree with a lot of the recruitment tactics used, especially when they target the young, poor or hopeless etc. It's nothing short of ambulance chasing but no one calls you unpatriotic for criticizing attorneys.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 05/04/09 - 07:06 am
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Martinez has it right.

Martinez has it right. Middle and high school students should not be subjected to UNSOLICITED military recruitment pitches, which is the ONLY sort of recruitment banned under the California town laws. As usual, Matt ("Oh puleeeeze") Ryan tells only a half truth in his ACES editorial. In the two California towns which passed these laws, military recruiters can approach anyone they want who is 18 or older. More significantly--and totally unmentioned by Ryan--the laws do not ban contact between the military and those under 18, so long as the minor initiates the contact. That means anyone under 18 in these California towns who wishes to VOLUNTEER to serve his or her country can walk into any recruiting office and sign up. Ryan's rant just proves again that a half truth is also a half lie....

Talkatoast
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Talkatoast 05/04/09 - 07:21 am
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I actually agree with keeping

I actually agree with keeping recruiters away from anyone younger than 18. Anyone younger than 18 is a still a child and doesn't fully understand what he/she is getting him/herself into. I see it all the time. Young boys of 16 and 17 talk so heroically of being in the military, and yet they are completely naive to the realities. Plus, recruiters feed you only the positive of the military rather than the negatives.

Talkatoast
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Talkatoast 05/04/09 - 07:26 am
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It's rather disheartening

It's rather disheartening because I feel like these recruiters are pushing these kids to their deaths. I know in one of my old teacher's classrooms, he had pictures of students he lost to war, and they were all young. He said that almost every boy he knows who has joined the military at such a young age has died. It isn't fair to target the naivety of children and take full advantage of that. It's frightening to walk into a high school and you see a recruitment table set up or a recruiter preaching to a classroom of children.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 05/04/09 - 07:29 am
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Yikes, I'm with the libs on

Yikes, I'm with the libs on this one.

confederatelady319
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confederatelady319 05/04/09 - 07:44 am
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patricathomas-if you haven't

patricathomas-if you haven't lived the life of the amish,you need to keep your mouth shut.

momof2
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momof2 05/04/09 - 08:17 am
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talkatoast - you're

talkatoast - you're "frightened" when you see a recruitment table set up? Wow. Recruiters are building our country's defense. Keep restricting their access to the young people who are making their career decisions and you'll weaken that defense. That's when you really need to be frightened. Recruiters are respectable Americans just doing their job. I am sure some aren't always truthful, but that is the exception, not the rule. And I don't know about other branches, but in the Army you know what your job will be BEFORE you sign any contract, so there are no surprises there. Joining the Army can be the best decision some young people ever make. Not everyone is cut out for college. Joining the military gives young people a sense of purpose, a guaranteed job with fantastic benefits, and as long as you don't screw up you're guaranteed to move up the ladder. What other career can say that? Recruiters have saved people's lives by offering them a way out of a dead end situation. I know people who have turned their lives completely around by joining the Army. And the bonuses...many jobs offer fantastic cash bonuses that most young people can only dream of. ...

momof2
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momof2 05/04/09 - 08:19 am
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... So let the recruiters do

... So let the recruiters do their jobs and if you don't want to join, don't join. When I was in high school I knew I wasn't joining the Army, so I didn't pay attention to the recruiters. Give the kids some credit. They're not so stupid that they don't know what joining the military is all about.

HotFoot
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HotFoot 05/04/09 - 08:34 am
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"fantastic benefits", momof2?

"fantastic benefits", momof2? Not for everyone and only when you have ad administration in power that values the sacrifices our soldiers make. We weren't even giving them body armor! The conditions at Walter Reed were deplorable! Lots of Repugs--the same ones assailing others' "patriotism"--didn't want to fund the new GI Bill! Fantastic benefits? Not if you have a psychological illness stemming from your service. And what if you made the mistake of buying a house and were transferred or deployed? You're SOL, as the AC itself reported yesterday. So, let's invoke a little reality testing here...the military is a mixed bag--great for some, not for others. In any case, they don't need access to our young people until they're 17 and considering post-h.s. plans.

mad_max
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mad_max 05/04/09 - 08:49 am
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First, let me say that no

First, let me say that no person who cannot legally have a beer should be allowed to join the military. Our standard that you can kill or get killed at 18 but cannot have a beer until 21 is the heigth of hypocrisy. If they are too irresponsible to have a beer at 18 then they MUST be too irresponsible to be given a machine gun and make instantaneous decision about whether to kill someone or not. Now, having got that off of my chest, I do believe that military recruiters should be given access to students at least 1 year prior to their eligibility to join. If any municipality makes local laws to the contrary, then all federal money for ALL programs in their boundaries should be pulled. No money for health, education, roads, welfare, or anything else. Sure, people in any local area should be able to make their own decisions, but they cannot be allowed to receive federal tax dollars while not supporting the federal mission of raising and maintaining a military force from all segments of our society. If you take federal money then you take the good with the bad.

Irish
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Irish 05/04/09 - 08:51 am
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Dear R/R you are aware we

Dear R/R you are aware we have an all volunteer service system now. No draftees....everyone is well aware of the hardships, danger, and the benefits of military service. The sacrifices made by our brave men and women are not to be ignored. You talk as if they are not aware of transfers, separations, and the possibility of being wounded or killed. This is the choice they make and rantings like yours only serves to belittle and demean the men and women who defend you. The conditions you speak of were corrected (by the way Bill Clinton cut the military budget causing the hospital situation) . The men and women deserve only the best treatment when they return.. They certainly don't deserve to be labeled potential "terrorist"

momof2
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momof2 05/04/09 - 08:53 am
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I do not deny the body armor

I do not deny the body armor and walter reed problems, but overall you can't deny the benefits the military provides. Free health care is an unbeatable benefit, especially when a family member has health problems. The majority of dental is covered, eye care is covered. The commissary is much cheaper than other groceries. Single soldiers are provided a place to live AND food to eat. Married soldiers are given money for housing AND food. And, yes, I read the article yesterday about the housing problems. While I feel bad for those in that situation, I would never expect the government to bail me out of a situation like that. Your quote was perfect, "What if YOU made the mistake of buying a house..." That is a personal decision and a personal mistake. Yes, I am fortunate to not be in that situation, but if I was, I would know it was MY mistake and not the responsiblity of the government to take care of it. And I agree...the military is not for everyone, but I don't think they should be banned from the high schools. While younger students may be 'exposed' to them, the recruiters focus on the seniors - those who can join NOW, not those that aren't even eligible.

elliottness
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elliottness 05/04/09 - 09:02 am
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yeah jack can come on just

yeah jack can come on just like pths and the rest,military robots,is all they are.the gov't sends them all over the world in unecessary wars.orders them to kill children,the elderly,and anyone else who happens to be in the way in their country mind you! all the while proclaiming that they're keeping us safe thousands of miles back in america.some one explain to me how that child, ellderly person, or pregnant woman killed was a threat to me back here in america?

willistontownsc
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willistontownsc 05/04/09 - 09:06 am
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What is disgusting is this

What is disgusting is this editorial. Abortion practitioners are NOT stalking anyone. It is the anti-choice extremists who are stalking women who want to have one. And the two CA cities mentioned are only setting boundaries that every human being should follow -- no STALKING. CA already has enough of a problem with paparazzi STALKING celebs, do we need ANY other people doing this as well? Our military will still be allowed at colleges in Eureka and Arcata, they just won't be allowed repeatedly follow those who are not interested. THAT's where this ordinance comes in. I'm positive that some parents complained repeatedly about the recruiters following their children, even after the children rejected the proposal. Most people would have been arrested for stalking if following someone AFTER they have been rejected (think Brady Green). Shame on the Augusta Chronicle for this anti-American editorial. And shame on them for supporting a criminal act known as STALKING. These ordinances are NOT about dissing our military, the ordinances are about strengthening anti-stalking laws to make sure that NO ONE is above the law.

momof2
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momof2 05/04/09 - 09:06 am
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Elliott, do you believe every

Elliott, do you believe every piece of propaganda you read? Your comment doesn't even warrant anyone trying to explaining anything to you.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 05/04/09 - 09:08 am
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The misguided law that

The misguided law that prevents 18 year olds from buying alcohol should not be invoked to defend preventing the military from contacting those in high school. 18 year olds can legally enter into contracts and make their own decisions, including who they vote for. They should have the RIGHT to join the miltary. We have Junior ROTC in schools. Would you outlaw that too?

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