Stadium proposal off base -- and off ballot

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Local elected officials are for it. Now the governor is on board.

It seems the only folks who won't have a say in whether Augusta builds a baseball stadium on the river downtown will be the voters of Augusta.

That's just one of the handful of problems we see with the city's plans to break ground on the new stadium as early as this fall.

We also question the long-term financial feasibility of the project. Stadiums are infamous for being money pits all across the country. Take Aberdeen, Md., for instance: According to the Baltimore Sun , the baseball stadium there was filled to capacity for every game for years following its 2002 opening -- and yet the city was still losing money every night.

"(Aberdeen) owes $6.7 million in stadium-related debt, and millions in interest, on a payment schedule stretching to 2022," The Sun reported a couple years ago. "The city's stadium fund has posted operating losses that total more than $1 million since 2001, forcing Aberdeen to dip into its treasury."

When the stadium was built, the city's entire budget was $7 million.

"Municipalities, especially this one, shouldn't be in this type of business," Aberdeen Mayor S. Fred Simmons said in a 2005 e-mail.

"Independent studies of sports facilities," Brookings Institution visiting fellow Roger G. Noll wrote in 1996, "invariably conclude that they provide no significant economic benefits. A sports team does increase overall income in a community slightly, but the increase never offsets the stadium's financing and operating costs.

"Stadiums are bad investments, which is why the teams themselves are never willing to pay for them."

We also strongly believe that the geography is all wrong -- that the stadium is the wrong project for valuable downtown riverfront land. We seriously doubt that a comprehensive, objective and open-ended study of the highest and best use of that land would come back and suggest a ballpark.

Moreover, the city's current baseball stadium just up the road at Lake Olmstead, which houses the Class A minor league Augusta Greenjackets, is significantly more than adequate -- having been built in 1995 and updated just a couple years ago.

"This is the way more new parks should be built," says a glowing review of Lake Olmstead Stadium at www.ballparkreviews.com, which gives the stadium a grade of A-. "Augusta has made the outside look nice without spending a lot of money on it.

"It truly is a unique ballpark. There has been talk of building a new ballpark in Augusta, but here's hoping that Lake Olmstead lives on for many more years."

We agree. This doesn't sound to us like a facility that needs to be traded in -- especially in such a tight economy.

As troubling as anything, though, is the fact that voters won't be asked to weigh in.

The financing scheme may not require a public vote, but good sense does. If nothing else, hold a nonbinding referendum -- why not at the special June 16 election? -- through which citizens can at least say what they think. This is a huge project on prime public land on one of the most desirable and rare plots of undeveloped riverfront east of the Mississippi. How can our leaders not want to take the public's temperature on this -- to protect themselves as much as to protect the public?

No one has been a bigger supporter of Mayor Deke Copenhaver since he took office in 2005. A level-headed, prayerful, respectful leader, and a unifier in a formerly divided city, he's been one of the best things to happen to this town in years.

But for the reasons listed above and more, we think he's off base on the downtown stadium proposal.

We implore him to call time, get out of the batter's box and check the signals.

Comments

patriciathomas

I see two points not mentioned. The current ball park is sufficient for a ball park, but it will never be anything else and it's location discourages growth. The current location is at the end of a long bottleneck that significantly slows entrance and egress. A downtown stadium could be a mixed use venue. Not only would there be more room for more ball fans in a much more appealing location, but entertainment that won't book the Coliseum would be more likely to appear in a stadium. There's no guarantee of success or failure. It's all about whether to stay with the venue that has maxed out its potential or take a chance with growth potential.

halffull

Tear down Olmstead Homes and we can have parking and mixed income condo's.

dashiel

Good points. And because it will function as more than a baseball stadium, it should be called by a name more inclusive than "stadium." Something edgy enough to attract the holy trinity of markets year-round.

mad_max

Augusta has proven to be incapable of supporting ANY venue. We do not have one successful "make money" or even "break even" venue. I think the odds are that a new stadium would continue this tradition. That's my guess, and I admit, I could be wrong. BUT, in a time of poor economic conditions and with the idiots we have on our commission and school board continuing to raise our taxes to unreasonable levels, why should any taxpayer money be put at risk on this starry eyed dream of a few? I don't know about the rest of you taxpayers but my finances are no longer about "progress", they are about day to day "survival" and this is not the time to be wasting our money. If a stadium in Augusta was a viable money maker, some private groupd would build it without taxpayer money. They want taxpayer money on the line so we will be on the hook to pay the thing off once they scim the profits and walk away when things go bad or maintenance gets too expensive.

americafirst

It sounds like the philosophy of our airport. Build it and they will come. Well they won't. Stupid is as stupid does. Its just like the racetrack. Gov't shouldn't be in such busnesses. Gov't should govern. Nothing more. Nothing less.

avidreader

I vote to keep Olmstead and ditch the downtown plan. Chattanooga also has a riverfront stadium, and controversy is constant concerning the money-pit issue.

SAugustateacher

One thing to consider would be the community pride generated by the stadium.

Riverman1

It appears the stadium is a done deal with the involvement of Ripken and Perdue. Deke CAN'T back away from that kind of involvement. Anyone remember who initially came up with the idea for a stadium at that site? What are other potential uses of the land? Does someone have something in mind? Whether we are for it or not, it will transform the downtown area. It's time to start thinking beyond Greenjackets games and come up with other uses of the coming stadium in the off season. Lake Olmstead goes to ASU which is a hidden benefit often overlooked. It may be off base, but even left hander Noland Belcher couldn't pick off this runner.

The Knave

An unusual event -- I agree with an AC editorial. A not-unusual event -- partricathomas is, once again and as usual, blathering inanities. She is commonly and dogmatically so against "social" and "government" spending and so in favor of "small, limited government." Yet, here we have a case where all of the evidence, both from Augusta's history of ineptitude and wastefulness, and from the sad and costly experiences of other municipalities, points to this stadium thing being a really, really dumb idea. Perhaps it wouldn't be so dumb if a sugar daddy could be found to pay for it -- that is, a sugar daddy other than the taxpayers. americafirst is correct -- the Taj Mahal airport was constructed on the idiotic premise -- "Build it and they will come." What has predictably actually happened -- "Build it and the taxpayers and passengers will be paying for it forever." And where is patricathomas' outrage at the voters having no say in this backbreakingly expensive white elephant? I suppose ole Deke, being a "prayerful" person, was told by the Sky Daddy that if he built this monument to stupidity and nonsense (over the taxpayers' dead bodies), then the Sky Daddy would bless Augusta.

dbruker

Stadiums are money pits? Fenway Park, Wrigley Field, Yankee Stadium, PNC Park in Pittsburgh, the Jake in Cleveland, the Ted in Atlanta are money pits? The downtown stadiums in Chattanooga, Asheville, Greenville, and Charleston are money pits? I suppose Carnegie Hall, the Kennedy Center, and the Metropolitan Opera House are money pits, too. Thankfully, forward-thinking people in those cities disagree. It's about quality of life. Isn't that something everyone wants?

imdstuf

PT we do not need a "mixed-use stadium" as there are already enough venues trying hard to book acts. We not only have the civic center, but the bell, imperial theater, local clubs, ampitheaters, fair grounds, etc. The baseball team would likely end up with control over the property and during the warm months when people would want to see outdoor concerts, they would be there. During their off nights they would not let their field get tore up for such an event.

Tell it like it is

If downtown is so appealing to support a ballpark and attract other business why pray tell does the Masters just up the road from lake Olmsted do so good. I think paying our hard earned taxes to build a new ballpark is insane.
Voters unite and let the officials know how we feel about this, I for one will boycott any move from lake Olmsted.

shivas

It's just a bad idea. I think Chatanooga would be a better place to model our downtown upon.

Riverman1

Shivas, The new Chattanooga ballpark is near the Tennessee Aquarium, a major tourist attraction, in a rejuvenated downtown area along the Tennessee River.

dhd1108

Parking for the stadium downtown would be a disaster. I agree with halffull. tear down olmstead homes and build a mixed use center there. upgrade the existing stadium. downtown needs a stadium like it needs upscale condos 95% of the people in Augusta can't afford to live in. the new stadium will end up being an empty eyesore like the salmon colored pink tower farce that was supposed to be a shopping mall. this is a poor decision especially in this economy. as far as stimulating downtown.. in my minds eye i see hordes of people bypassing downtown stores to continue to shop in mullins crossing or whatever horrible dooded up strip mall pops up next out in ColCo.

TechLover

river: The key being "near a major tourist attraction". One of my friends is the head of the Chattanooga Visitors Center. They have a ton of tourists. The ball park is a beneficiary of the tourism, not the other way around. Other than for major entertainers such as Dylan, Elton John, etc, Augusta has a history of no shows. Like posted above with the Imperial, James Brown Arena, the Bell, and hopefully soon the Miller, Augusta already has more venues than it can fill. Also, a ballpark is extremely limited as a mixed use facility. The weather being the number one factor.

The Knave

RE: "One of my friends is the head of the Chattanooga Visitors Center. They have a ton of tourists." I think there is some smoke being blown here. I have been to Chattanooga numerous times, and the aquarium and riverfront have been mostly deserted. I known that the aquarium has been badly hurt by the magnificent new one in Atlanta, which makes the Chattanooga one look like a badly maintained goldfish bowl. I'm sure that there are times during special events that there are a large number of visitors. But, overall, I think Chattanooga is not a good municipal model to emulate. BTW, property and sales taxes are very high there. So, once again, the question is who really ends up paying for all that stuff, after the politicians' and business "leaders'" promises and prognostications are long forgotten?

sjgraci

It's not unusual to see the Chronicle support the desenting side of the Downtown Baseball Stadium project. Why? Because Billy Morris does not have his dirty money grubbing hands in it. Let's all remember their 100% full support of the Billy Barn at the Regency Mall (which I half-heartedly voted for). Once again, the Chronicle drags out a few critics from Aberdeen and misleadingly compare apples to oranges. It must be noted that the stadium in question sits nowhere near the city center, has no infrastructure around the stadium (i.e. Lake Olmstead), has a smaller population than the CSRA to draw from, and is a closer proximity to MLB in Baltimore and DC than Augusta is to ATL. Aberdeen Councilman Dave Yensan said, "Aberdeen's mistake was the arrogance of the Mayor and City Manager thinking they had the expertise to get into this stuff. The stadium in and of itself is a GREAT thing for Aberdeen." Yensan also advised Mayor Copenhaver to seek council that is at the level of Ripken Baseball to avoid making the mistakes Aberdeen has. Mayor Copenhaver has stated in the past that we (Augusta) have the best legal representation including the firm that negotiated the San Diego stadium.

sjgraci

This will be a great thing for augusta. Not Billy Morris. Build it Downtown!!!

TechLover

Atlanta, Charleston, and numerous other cities sent reps to Chattanooga to see how to improve tourism. As my friend said, "They all left saying, we've got to build an aquarium." I've been to visit a few times and it was packed. Try Riverbend fest, it's unbelievable.

TechLover

They can't hold "horsey" events in a baseball stadium.

RonRoberts

SJGraci hit the nail on the head; that's ALL this ACES dissent is about, pure and simple. It's okay, in the mind(s) of the editorial board to spend (read: waste) money on things like the ill-contrived Golf Hall, or what Billy REALLY wants - a new Morris Musem of Art." Yeah...THAT'LL draw visitors to downtown. Folks, there's NOTHING wrong w/Olmstead Stadium -except for where it is and the parking it lacks. Parking downtown is MORE than ample - over 13,000 spaces, folks - so to say otherwise is a waste of your internet connection. And what the new stadium can do that NO OTHER VENUE in the area can - is attract an outdoor concert crowd surpassing the magicl 10,000 mark. Many acts won't book in venues that can't handle a crowd of that size. Besides, I've yet to hear ONE person who's pitched a BETTER use of this land for folks of ALL income brackets. Riverfront property for hoity-toity condo dwellers? Strike One. How about another high-end mall (a la Port Toyal)? Strike Two. One pitch seems to make the most sense, except to Billy. Oh well, Morris...you're on the losing end of this one. Kinda like your papers, these days, eh?

RonRoberts

And to twist minds, you cite ONE - ONE municipal example. Aberdeen isn't Augusta, meaning these two cities are not at all comparable. Besides, the location of this stadium reminds me more of a well-thought out minor league version of what was built in LoDo (Lower Downtown) Denver. When a new stadium was built for the Clolorado Rockies, all it did was COMPLETELY revitalize an entire swath of blighted downtown Denver. THat, of course, provided pre-and-post-game shopping, restaurant and bar businesses - which, of course, provided - SALES TAX revenue. That doesn't get applied to the bottom line when it coms discussing the costs of the park, though, does it, ACES? This publication has railed against this idea from its inception, meanwhile supporting (in the past) the Georgia Golf Hall (boondoggle) and - wait for it - a new home for the Morris Museum of Art on even MORE "valuable riverfront property." Couldn't be more transparent and hypocritical.

TomNAugusta

Lets face it baseball is the only venue that fun for everyone. Most of you don't like fun and would rather just sit and complain. As the people in Augusta don't do anything, North Augusta and Columbia Co. have blosomed.

Riverman1

I'm embarrassed with the harsh criticism of Billy Morris shown here. The Morris Museum of Art is not a money making enterprise. The artworks were bought by Morris and donated establishing a fantastic art museum for the community to enjoy.

disssman

If the town wants a money maker at low cost - then build the drag strip now. The idea for a baseball stadium must have come from the people who installed $2.00 coke machines at the airport that no one uses or the over priced snack stand (note I didn't say cafe) in the 25 million dollar airport of the 2d largest town in Georgia.

dashiel

diss, let's put the drag strip in Regency Mall, put a dome on it and call it The Beltone Dome. Considering the business it will generate, the hearing aid people should be happy to pay for the naming privilege.

Rozzie2003

For one time I agree withthe Chronicle---we don't need the stadium when we have a very nice one.

RonRoberts

I have no issues w/Morris wanting to have a nice art collection to show off to locals...but I DO resent his using his paper to rail against an idea that makes FAR more sense for the Augusta riverfront than an art museum flanking one end of Augusta Commons would. Both parcels are "valuable riverfront property" but his paper whines about a venue capable of attracting 5,000 per ballgame 9and more for outdoor concerts) and endorses instead, building an art museum (bearing his name) - which would never on its best day, see 5,000 patrons.

TechLover

Didn't Billy want the taxpayers to build a new arena in Col Cty that had stables, etc?

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