Compassion should extend only so far

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Regarding Jay Collett's letter ("Where's compassion toward others?" April 15), I'd like to take this opportunity to answer his question.

I, as other Americans, do have plenty of compassion for those who have fallen on hard times. I have plenty of compassion for my fellow Americans who have fought in wars, fought family illness and who have lost their jobs. Where my compassion ends is when those people go from asking for "help" to get back on their feet to demanding my help to keep them in a lifestyle they have grown accustomed to.

We as Christians are supposed to love our neighbors as ourselves. It doesn't say much about a person's character if loving themselves requires any kind of dependency on another. As many mothers out there know, we should be raising our children to become independent, responsible citizens of the greatest country on Earth. Imagine what the crowded streets of New York would be like if everyone couldn't tie their own shoes.

Independence starts at birth- when we take our first breath, on our own. Yes, it does get more difficult as responsibility mounts as one grows. But I firmly believe that is what the good Lord wants it to be. In fact, one would argue that faith is the ultimate responsibility that one carries. If it wasn't, we wouldn't have free will, and God would be standing on everyone's front porch. ...

Mr. Collett is right when he states that this country is going through hard times right now. He is right that we must unite to get through this. But uniting doesn't mean handing over all of one person's hard work to benefit someone else who refuses to do the same. Remember, if there is only one person tying shoes in New York City, there would be a whole lot of people tripping over knots.

Katherine Wideman

Martinez

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jsherrill
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jsherrill 04/18/09 - 03:11 am
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Katherine you are so very

Katherine you are so very much correct in your statement. America, yes help one another, but help others to help themselves. Helping is not doing for others, it is getting it done side by side. America needs to start to have the work ethic of times gone by, work ethic that pulled us out of the Great Depression and all so may other times that made America great. Let us be proud by the grace of God and proud to be Americans.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 04/18/09 - 05:31 am
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Of course, Katherine. The

Of course, Katherine. The original intent of the government subsidy programs was to help those temporarily in need. They've been perverted by the left to buy votes and to actually breed up new government voters. They're no longer compassionate, they're now enslaving. Americans have their hard earned money confiscated to support this enslavement and the government educated call it compassion. A lot needs fixing in this country and we'll never fix it until we can get the left to see they're mocking themselves with their mindless chants and parroting of campaign slogans. This country sure resembles 1930 Germany in way too many ways. The Marxist messiah is history repeating itself.

justus4
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justus4 04/18/09 - 05:33 am
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Good grief. The writer is
Unpublished

Good grief. The writer is saying,"my hard work is going to help lazy people that won't work" which is a terrible misunderstanding of what's happening. Blaming someone else for your problems is never smart because everyone can do it. This idea that: "My taxes are being given to others, while I work hard" Ha! And because of institutional discrimination in hiring, especially government jobs (they are the best ones) the best individual is not hired, so most non-minorities are working due to friend/relatives, "look like me syndrome" or outright given a position for pay, so their employment is actual questionable. If U work for government, be grateful and stop thinking that somebody owes U something. In fact, U owe the people of this country for having a job.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 04/18/09 - 05:45 am
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justus, black business owners

justus, black business owners discriminate just like white business owners. They hire people willing to work. Your last sentence is incongruous and is in contrast to everything you've ever written.

_SisterAbdullahX_
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_SisterAbdullahX_ 04/18/09 - 05:47 am
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justus4.....give me an

justus4.....give me an example of institutional discrimination in hiring. Back up that libelous statement. I'm sure you won't, because you always hit and run. You give examples of your "institutional discrimination" and I'll give you 3 examples of it working in YOUR favor. You really need to get that chip off of your shoulder and accept some responsibility. I find it utterly amazing that YOU would tell someone to stop thinking someone owes them something.

_SisterAbdullahX_
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_SisterAbdullahX_ 04/18/09 - 05:55 am
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Justus4....would these be

Justus4....would these be examples of the institutional discrimination you speak of? Government giving preference to minority owned contractors..(a law)....Colleges awarding points toward admission based on skin color alone..... Affirmative Action (another law). Is THAT the institutional discrimination you speak of? The kind that you have NO recourse if you are a victim of, unlike if you are black and discriminated against. At least then you can bring up legal charges. Feel free to answer this.....but you won't, because your hit and run M.O................and because it will expose that you are wrong.

LittleLady
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LittleLady 04/18/09 - 06:45 am
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Justus4 must live a unhappy

Justus4 must live a unhappy life. To think that he is discriminated just because of his color, must be a heavy burden.

LittleLady
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LittleLady 04/18/09 - 06:53 am
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We need to help those in need

We need to help those in need to help themselves. Lend a helping hand; not make them depend on you for the rest of his/her life. Making a large segment of population dependent on others for the way of life robs them of their ambition, pride, and ultimately their success.

WW1949
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WW1949 04/18/09 - 08:21 am
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Too much money and help has

Too much money and help has already been given and still there is a segment of the population that still thinks they are owed. I owe nothing to anyone except pay for what I ask them to do for me. I quit giving because they always come back for more. By the time the 36.2% of my check is taken each month I have nothing to give away if I want to keep up my standard of living, saving for retirement and future medical costs. I believe the general public is fast getting fed up with the people with their hand out and not willing to do or learn anything.

WW1949
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WW1949 04/18/09 - 08:24 am
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I also think justus4 is

I also think justus4 is making comments to get the readers going and to keep stirring the pot.

Chuchi
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Chuchi 04/18/09 - 08:38 am
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Don't respond to hit-and-run

Don't respond to hit-and-run posters. They won't read what you wrote anyway, so why bother? Mrs. Wideman made some excellent points presented in a clear, logical and courteous manner. It's not her fault if others don't understand it and are incapable of responding in a similarly courteous manner, which is what mature grownups are supposed to be able to do.

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Niko Mahs 04/18/09 - 09:55 am
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I just love these letters!

I just love these letters! We're Christians, and we care, but we are really selective where we hand out our compassionate help. I guess that really means that everyone cannot truly be saved.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 04/18/09 - 10:09 am
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I don't know what christ you

I don't know what christ you follow, Niko Mahs, but the one I follow doesn't teach rewarding you enemy so he can destroy you.

Lobosolo
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Lobosolo 04/18/09 - 10:15 am
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PT, your Christ is named

PT, your Christ is named Rush, and your smug and EMPTY comments reflect that.

Chuchi
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Chuchi 04/18/09 - 10:18 am
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There is such a thing as

There is such a thing as misguided compassion. For example, let's say you know someone who frequently asks you for money. This is not because he is too sick to work or because he has handicapped dependents who require expensive medical care, or some other legitimate reason. He asks you for money because he has a drug and alcohol addiction and he spends his earnings on his habits instead of his bills. Knowing this, should you give the man money? You feel compassion towards him because he has a serious problem, but to give him money makes you an enabler --- he uses the money not to improve his lot and get help, but rather to feed his dependency and drive him deeper into debt, addiction and despair. So yes, we Christians have to sometimes be selective where we hand out our compassionate help, because sometimes that help may not prove to be so helpful after all.

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irenedot 04/18/09 - 10:24 am
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I am so tired of hearing

I am so tired of hearing about white/black racism. It comes from all races and nationalities. Not just black/white. Blacks are as prejudiced as whites and vice versa. I believe racists are cowards that are afraid of other people. Yes our government does give more concideration to one than the other. That is the voters fault for voting them into office. If I see someone in need of help I help without wanting anything in return. I am one of those living on disability. I agree that there are some who take the gov for a ride. My compassion does not stop because I do not have anything. I do what I can when I can.

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irenedot 04/18/09 - 10:28 am
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Chuchi thank you for putting

Chuchi thank you for putting into words which I could not. I will not give away what I do have to help someone that uses his assests for drinking, drugs, gambling or buying a bag of candy instead of vegetables.

HYPOCRITES 08
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HYPOCRITES 08 04/18/09 - 10:35 am
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I guess if you are poor, you

I guess if you are poor, you should not eat candy?

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 04/18/09 - 10:50 am
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Lobosolo, sorry for the

Lobosolo, sorry for the confusion. I'll try to type slower.(hint: thinking is good)

_SisterAbdullahX_
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_SisterAbdullahX_ 04/18/09 - 10:52 am
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Correct. If you are poor,

Correct. If you are poor, you should not eat candy unless you can afford it yourself. I see you get it now Hypocrites. Candy, among other things ARE NOT ENTITLEMENTS, they are privileges.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 04/18/09 - 10:53 am
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Hypo, the comment by irenedot

Hypo, the comment by irenedot implied one should try to take care of business before playing, especially if one is a ward of the state.

shaglorious
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shaglorious 04/18/09 - 11:21 am
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This letter is well written.

This letter is well written. Since it makes so much sense, the few posters that always find something wrong will make a poor attempt to change it into something else and then "poof", you will hear crickets chirping.

willistontownsc
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willistontownsc 04/18/09 - 12:10 pm
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Independence DOESN'T begin at

Independence DOESN'T begin at birth -- it begins on your 18th birthday. nice FAIL.

Chuchi
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Chuchi 04/18/09 - 12:22 pm
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irenedot: you are quite

irenedot: you are quite welcome, and thank you for your most courteous response to my post. I am sorry that you are in a physical situation that requires you to be on disability; that must be a difficult cross for you to bear. I think hypo08 missed the point of what you were trying to say in your 11:28 am post. When your financial resources are limited, the practical needs come before the luxuries. Vegetables are a necessity; candy is a luxury. It's like paying the electric bill before taking the kids to Six Flags. Electricity is a necessity; going to Six Flags is not. It's too bad if you can't afford to do everything you like, but life is usually unfair, and there is no law that says you can have everything you want. There are plenty of people who are far wealthier than I, but I do not begrudge them their good fortune nor do I envy them their privileges. I am not entitled to luxuries which I cannot afford. And I do not expect the rich to reward me with a chunk of their income just because I can't afford to have what they possess. I can't buy it, so I can't have it, so I have to get over it.

Ode to Augusta
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Ode to Augusta 04/18/09 - 01:43 pm
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If irenedot can get on a

If irenedot can get on a computer and type on message boards then she isn't disabled and should be able to get a job and support herself. It isn't up to the taxpayers to support everybody.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 04/18/09 - 01:59 pm
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willi, LOL on your 1:10 post.

willi, LOL on your 1:10 post. We may have found your problem. No foundation.

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mad_max 04/18/09 - 03:23 pm
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justus4....There you go

justus4....There you go again. Facts absolutely backwards as usual. The qouta system for hiring for governemtn jobs, the EEO reviews of every selection, minority preferences in contracting have all absolutely resulted in more unqualified minorities being selected for jobs and contracts that other applicants were much better qualified for. Geez, go look at the post office and figure up the ratio of minority employees compared to the population. No wonder they are broke! Institutional racism my eye. Sure there is some institutional racism but for government jobs the institional racism is in favor of minorities. Better qualified white applicants are told, "well, you know we have to keep the numbers up to quota". Consequently every minority selection becomes suspect as an EEO quota. It's almost funny that the quota system really hurts the truely qualified minority candidate because no matter how good they are it is assumed that it was a quota selection, so they may get the job but they do not get the respect. And the unqualified minorities that do get selected to keep the quota numbers up are usually poor performers and give credence to the general poor perception of minority workers.

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GGpap 04/18/09 - 04:31 pm
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POINT WELL MADE, Grouse

POINT WELL MADE, Grouse (5:00pm)! GGpap

_SisterAbdullahX_
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_SisterAbdullahX_ 04/18/09 - 04:34 pm
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I didn't see anything in

I didn't see anything in there about the Government confiscating money for these purposes. That kind of negates the compassion part of it.

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KSL 04/18/09 - 05:59 pm
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We have volunteer armed

We have volunteer armed forces. Why not cut out all "welfare and subsidies" and turn that into voluntary giving. grouse, I know that based on your post, you would take some of your tax savings and donate to the needy. Cut out the government middle men and save a ton in salaries. Americans are a very giving people. All kinds of charities are supported by the acts of voluntary contributions. Neighbors help each other when they are in need. Why does it have to be achieved by forced confiscation?

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