Wise words on wealth and government

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My opinion of the Obama stimulus package is best expressed by the late pastor Dr. Adrian Rogers (1931-2005):

"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

"When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that, my dear friend, will prove the end of any nation.

"You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

I agree.

J.F. Rodgers

Clearwater, S.C.

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justus4
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justus4 03/17/09 - 05:45 am
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Who was this guy Rogers and
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Who was this guy Rogers and from where did his credibility come? If this guy was born in '31, he must have seen and benefitted from the deplorable conditions of a particular group of American citizens. How can one discuss wealth honestly when 1/3 of the population was considered a "permanent underclass?" They contributed tax dollars, but recieved nothing from the government like proper schools and protection from violence. How can one avoid those obvious contradictions and appear credible to serious people. In my view, one can not. His words are just that, words and don't demonstrate anything. "When half the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them" is a perfect example of a horrible period of American history. It was called the institution of slavery and "we" know which half was doing the work.

44mag
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44mag 03/17/09 - 05:54 am
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justus, was Zorro a relative

justus, was Zorro a relative of yours?

jboy
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jboy 03/17/09 - 05:56 am
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Once again Justus and his

Once again Justus and his racist views add credence to the adage, "Better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

jboy
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jboy 03/17/09 - 05:58 am
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By the way Justus by "31"

By the way Justus by "31" slavery had ended 66 years prior.

Motorman5039
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Motorman5039 03/17/09 - 06:14 am
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C'mon AC, you can do better

C'mon AC, you can do better than this, oh, never mind...

Motorman5039
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Motorman5039 03/17/09 - 06:21 am
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jboy: Are you a puppet? You

jboy: Are you a puppet? You keep getting your strings pulled by Justus...

1941
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1941 03/17/09 - 06:42 am
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Mr.Rodgers, Most people who

Mr.Rodgers, Most people who are not working, have lost their jobs.The only thing government is giving , is what they took, when the people were working paying taxes. What is the matter with them returning, some of what was payed in taxes, when the people were working? How did the rich get so rich, by taking every loophole they could find, good for them. One thing, they can not take a dime with them when they die., so why not help those who are down on their luck.?

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TechLover 03/17/09 - 06:44 am
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Yet another LTE pulled right

Yet another LTE pulled right from all the right wing e-mails that are making the rounds. "I believe slavery is a much maligned institution; if we had slavery today, we would not have this welfare mess." quote by Dr Adrian Rogers.He's the guy who shifted the Southern Baptists to the far right. Remember the Disney boycott? That was him. Acording to him capital punishment is "spiritually ordained" Said it wasa pastor's duty to influence the political decisions of his congregation (yes his

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patriciathomas 03/17/09 - 07:05 am
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It's the right of many to

It's the right of many to take from the productive. It's called being a Dem. If you want something someone else had, just take it and say it's your right. This LTE is just another attempt to stop all people from being totally equal in all things, as designated by a fine socialist government. J.F., you obviously don't know your place. You'll soon be shown.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 03/17/09 - 07:09 am
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A man should not be judged by

A man should not be judged by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character -- MLK. Ask not what your country can do for you, but rather what you can do for your country -- JFK. Both of these men promoted personal responsibility. Their memory is spit on every day by this administration and its supporters.

TechLover
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TechLover 03/17/09 - 07:30 am
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ssdd

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disssman
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disssman 03/17/09 - 07:53 am
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And a rich man has a beter

And a rich man has a beter chance of passing a camel through a needle eye than he has of going to heave. Whats your point J.F. would you rather see children starve or go hungry? You must be one of those COMPASSIONATE CONServatives.

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SCGAL53 03/17/09 - 07:56 am
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The way I see it, justus, you

The way I see it, justus, you want the rich to be slaves to the poor.

peace4784
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peace4784 03/17/09 - 08:03 am
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You quote Adrian Rodgers to
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You quote Adrian Rodgers to justify that selfish neoconservative ungodly philosophy. Churches and charities gladly take without working for what they receive. You and everyone who thinks like you are wolves in sheep's clothing. There are not legitimate churches. They are all government sanctioned religious corporations. Jesus and the apostles never issue corporate charters. Jesus and the apostles never issue tax receipts. Go ahead and justify your religious fraud you attend each Sunday. But the truth is the truth.

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elliottness 03/17/09 - 08:34 am
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i enjoyed listening to rogers

i enjoyed listening to rogers over the years,he was a pretty good minister,but so was g vernon mcgee.i also listen to eddie long, creflo, and even j osteen sometimes.i think the ministers need to hush about poor people considering so many are living in mansions,and driving rolls-royces and bentleys,while their members ride a bus to church.i concur with mimsy,we have plenty, why not share it with our other citizens, we have no problems sending free aid checks to other countries whose citizens didn't work for it either.we all know we have a segment of society which is just sorry,but what do we do?throw them in the streets? i'll leave that to others.

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Niko Mahs 03/17/09 - 09:09 am
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I find it very ironic that a

I find it very ironic that a pastor would make such a quote in the first place. These guys do very little work and rake in big bucks from duped people who want to leave the earth and go someplace they perceive to be better. If half of these evangelists really and truly acted like Jesus, then there would be no poor people at all.

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crackerjack 03/17/09 - 10:09 am
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When you get behind a 400

When you get behind a 400 pound woman in the grocery store checkout, dressed to the nines, with gold jewelry and diamonds hanging on her, a buggy full of steaks and potato chips, and dragging two or three skinny little ones behind her, and paying with an EBT card, it makes me wonder just who is it that is neglecting the children.

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InChristLove 03/17/09 - 10:18 am
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All you posters that are

All you posters that are criticizing the church for not helping the poor more, let me ask you a question? How many of you are giving 10% to Christ. Not all pastors are raking in the big bucks or driving rolls-royes. Yes, there are a few "television" ministers who are doing well but the majority of your home town churches are struggling to stay open just like everyone else, and these local pastors are having trouble making ends meet with their own familiy. Niko Mahs, if you think pastors do very little work, maybe you should walk in their shoes for a week as see just how much these Godly men do for our community.

Niko Mahs
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Niko Mahs 03/17/09 - 10:29 am
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Cracker Jack, you sound more

Cracker Jack, you sound more like a Cracker. And In Christ Love, I see what they do and frankly I am not very impressed.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 03/17/09 - 10:46 am
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Niko, Thank God these Godly

Niko, Thank God these Godly men are not here to impress you but to save your soul from hell.

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soldout 03/17/09 - 11:02 am
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Jesus said the poor would be

Jesus said the poor would be with us always. Jesus became poor that we could become rich. God is a God of abundance. He said seek first the kingdom of heaven and all these other things will be added. Rogers was a great preacher in all regards. Lies never upset folks; just the truth.

peace4784
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peace4784 03/17/09 - 11:56 am
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InChristLove, one thing that
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InChristLove, one thing that your so-called godly men do not do is tell you the truth. No church member who lives in America gives 10% to Christ. They give 10% to the government. The churches are just religious state chartered corporations. Jesus did not build a state sanctioned corporation. Only nonprofit corporations give out tax receipts. You all have been duped. The trustees are in charge of your religious corporation. Not your fraudulent pastor. There are no real pastors because there are no real apostles. It's all a sham because people refuse to think for themselves. How about reading that bible that you love to hold up as truth and stop listening to these phony godly men. That is how supposedly intelligent people end up being herded into concentation camps. That is what believing in BS will do for you.

Niko Mahs
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Niko Mahs 03/17/09 - 12:46 pm
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With all of the so-called

With all of the so-called Godly people going to Heaven, Hell may not be such a bad place after all. And I hear that Satan guy really knows how to Party!

InChristLove
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InChristLove 03/17/09 - 12:58 pm
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peace4784, when I place my

peace4784, when I place my tithes and offerings in the offering plate on Sunday, I'm giving that money to my Lord. If I was giving it to the government, I'd send them a check in the mail. Our church financel committee are responsible for paying the bills, supporting ministries, and taking care of the upkeep of the church...and our Pastor is a Godly man who preaches the truth (evidently you have another concept of what truth is) and has no dealings with the church finances so how can he be fraudulent. Not that it is any of your business but I do read my Bible faithfully and follow what God teaches and do not consider it "BS". Seems like you've been lead in the wrong direction and have a very poor outlook on Christianity altogether. That's sad.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 03/17/09 - 01:02 pm
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Niko, you can joke all you

Niko, you can joke all you want and think it's funny but Hell is no laughing matter. There are a number who call themselves Christian but who are not true believers, so Hell may indead be more crowded than you think. Read Revelations and see if Hell is not such a bad place after all, and Satan really knows how to party. Wait until he destroys you and walks away, see how long the party last.

themaninthemirror
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themaninthemirror 03/17/09 - 01:19 pm
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There is a mention made of

There is a mention made of Pastor Creflo Dollar and Joel Osteen in a posting by elliotness. Creflo Dollar's ministry took in $69 million tax free dollars last year, and by the way, his congregation donated the Rolls Royce,(according to him). You have to pay in advance to see Joel Osteen. If you ever watch his television programs, they always have a promo for his upcoming appearances, and, oh yes, tickets are available in advance. These television preachers have learned that one thing works: MASS MARKETING. They all want you to write to them with your prayer request, and while you are sealing the envelope, don't forget your donation check. Some even take credit cards. Write them and tell them you have been out of work and see how much money they send you! But I think the gist of the letter to the editor has been blown a little out of context, though. It all boils down to this: If you give a man a fish, he will only eat that fish, but if you teach a man to fish, he will eat fish for a lifetime.

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MyOpinion2 03/17/09 - 02:06 pm
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jack
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jack 03/17/09 - 02:24 pm
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justus, was Zorro a relative

justus, was Zorro a relative of yours?
Posted by 44mag on Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:54 AM....No, it was his uncle Tom.

jack
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jack 03/17/09 - 02:32 pm
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Yonce, name ONE minister that

Yonce, name ONE minister that drives a Rolls Royce or Bentley that YOU personally have seen and know about. I have attended some of the laresrt churches in the area and have yet to see one. Preachers are some of the poorest paid people I know. If we are going to bring Jesus into this issue, let's remember that He said "the poor will always be with you".

InChristLove
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InChristLove 03/17/09 - 02:57 pm
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In my opinion, saying Pastor

In my opinion, saying Pastor along with Joel Osteen in the same sentence is ridiculous. When a so called man of God doesn't preach the important facts of the Bible and only speaks what people want to hear to make them feel good, then that man is not preaching God's whole truth. Maninthemirror, you got that right, some of these television preachers are MASS MARKETING, not being fisher's of men.

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