Evolution can't be intelligently denied

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The University of Vermont may well be guilty of egregious suppression of free speech, but declining to play host to an evolution denier is not evidence of it ("An intellectual cocoon," Feb. 7, an editorial decrying the rejection of Intelligent Design theorist Ben Stein as a Vermont commencement speaker).

You would rightly question the bona fides of an institution of higher learning that played host to a flat-earth proponent or to a self-proclaimed UFO abductee. Denying evolution is on a similar intellectual level.

Tom Sutherland

Augusta

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patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 02/18/09 - 02:46 am
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Oh, Mr Sutherland. Isn't

Oh, Mr Sutherland. Isn't denying one theory for another also on the same intellectual level when there are equal amounts of "evidence" supporting each? U of V wasn't teaching a class on creationism...heaven forbid... They were hosting a speaker. This is the same university that would proudly host a Marxist or radical Islamist speaker. I think some "intellectual honesty" is called for on this one.

bobxxxx
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bobxxxx 02/18/09 - 03:38 am
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I agree. There's not much

I agree. There's not much difference between a flat-earther and an evolution denier like Ben Stein. They're both equally stupid.

_SisterAbdullahX_
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_SisterAbdullahX_ 02/18/09 - 04:58 am
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If you don't agree with

If you don't agree with bobxxxx, then you are stupid. Love that attitude. I suppose that creationist named Albert Einstein was stupid too?

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Trouble1 02/18/09 - 06:06 am
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this is one well thought out

this is one well thought out letter....he could have said it a lot easier..."i don't agree with you, so therefore you are stupid"....direct, to the point, and not near the waste of space, he could have even followed it up with a smiley face that was sticking its tongue out.

dashiel
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dashiel 02/18/09 - 07:16 am
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Intelligent Design is not

Intelligent Design is not testable. It is an inherently religious proposition. But who cares about rational debate or rational anything? Altogether now, everybody sing! I am human through and through, all my aunts and uncles too. And you won't make a monkey out of me.

TechLover
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TechLover 02/18/09 - 07:32 am
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The University didn't pull

The University didn't pull his invite. Stein backed out.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 02/18/09 - 07:39 am
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The University made it clear

The University made it clear the radical reactionaries were speaking for them. Stein did the smart thing.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 02/18/09 - 07:42 am
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dashiel, have you read the

dashiel, have you read the theory that the various ape populations are the result of the devolution (adaption) of man? The same facts that "prove" evolution seem to support the devolution theory.

constitutionnow
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constitutionnow 02/18/09 - 07:59 am
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Creationists believe that

Creationists believe that history began with a word, evolutionists believe that history began with a rock. Which requires more faith?

dashiel
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dashiel 02/18/09 - 08:19 am
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PT, in a word,

PT, in a word, cdesignproponentsists, the smoking gun of creationist fraudulence.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 02/18/09 - 08:42 am
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of course, dashiel. It's your

of course, dashiel. It's your bull being gored if the devolution theory is being pursued. In a word, faith. We all choose what we are comfortable believing.

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yak11 02/18/09 - 08:49 am
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So the evolutionists believe

So the evolutionists believe that a God who could make us in him image would be unable to create a design that could change and adapt to changing environments? WOW....It is truly amazing what happens when a person's hatred of their own value rises to a level the essentially condemn the God who created them.

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genbartow 02/18/09 - 08:53 am
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The round earth has been

The round earth has been substantiated. All that evolution is or ever will be is a THEORY.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 02/18/09 - 09:09 am
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All of nuclear physics is

All of nuclear physics is theory so I guess nuclear power plants and nuclear bombs are just a theory, myth, non-existent. Gravity is a theory (the word is derived from Newton's law of gravitation)-just because we don't fall off the earth doesn't mean there is such a theory as gravity. The theory of gravity explains why we don't fall of the earth and in two different ways-mass attraction (Newtonian) and a bend in space-time (Relativistic). We all know that such a theory is ridiculous because Aristotle was right and is just our weight that is the "force" (remember there is no such thang as gravity) that makes us stick. Jeez!!!!! Remember "Gravity" is just a theory-it is tiny invisible Greek gods that hold us down.

Roadkill
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Roadkill 02/18/09 - 09:23 am
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Just one question, why are

Just one question, why are there still monkeys????

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 02/18/09 - 09:25 am
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Gravity isn't a theory

Gravity isn't a theory Bizarro. Quit talking Dem-eese. The working of gravity is the theory just as the actual workings of various nuclear technology is based on theories. Currently, we are able to use these theories, within parameters, to affect our technology in a very specific manner. You're just trying to trick the easily tricked. How fun is that?

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 02/18/09 - 09:26 am
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Roadkill, quit it! Way too

Roadkill, quit it! Way too much logic in that question.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 02/18/09 - 09:30 am
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Dang Patti, I know how easily

Dang Patti, I know how easily they fall for ruses-you are spoiling my semantics game of fun. I learned it from Obama-he's the man. God created man so if your child has autism don't blame vaccines and thimerosal-they didn't create your child (now I'm being blasphemous (and an [filtered word]) forgive me Lord). God did give me a brain-don't punish me for having the audacity to use it (even after I was told to by God). My apologizes.

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soldout 02/18/09 - 09:31 am
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Many Christians are betting

Many Christians are betting their lives on John 3;16 but have a problem believing Genesis. There is plenty of science agreeing with creation. If there was creation then dating methods are useless as you cant create, without creating evidence of age. God created with his words and each of us can create a lot with our words as we are made in him imagine. Life is better when you choose to believe the whole Bible and receive it's benefits. He says He is a rewarder of those who seek him. You will never lose out believing it all and He said He would confirm his word with signs and wonders. God makes life so simple you have to hire help to misunderstand it.

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charlie marlow 02/18/09 - 09:34 am
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Not that it matters at all,

Not that it matters at all, but, yes, Einstein was a Creationist... sure... http://www.vuletic.com/hume/cefec/7-13.html.

To the Creationists, I have read your silly sites (Answers in Genesis, CSE, CreationWiki...). How many of you are willing to read this: http://talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-qa.html

ZenoElia
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ZenoElia 02/18/09 - 09:48 am
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Evil-ooshun...just as much a

Evil-ooshun...just as much a theory as gravity or any other (presumed) provable fact. If our planet has experienced six geologic and catastrophic near extinction events that have changed the surviving species in that biological entities have had to adapt to their environments in order to continue their existence...then, I say evolution is a viable idea. I also understand the way literature and history are chronicled for those who are each next generation, both by the use of known writing and a priori oral tradition. I also know that as beings we have many times lost knowledge and we then re-discover it, often simply due to natural changes the planet undergoes and as such, the weather being a powerful influence, our species has learned and forgotten many things. It is plausible that the whole idea of "god" or "God" is genetic and due to a long lost knowledge we have yet to re-gain. I remain open as I believe GOD has a sense of humor. Besides Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge (of good and evil) and so we have this genetic link to our parents. There is variable loss in translation over time...called historical revision.

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genwheeler 02/18/09 - 10:40 am
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Sutherland uses typical

Sutherland uses typical obfuscation by calling people that believe in ID or creationism flat-earthers. Typical -- instead of arguing the issue, resort to insults. It's amazing to me how confident evolutionists seem to be and yet so sensitive at the same time. Nobody cries louder than an evolutionist if someone dares to question. Evolution is only a model. It cannot be tested using the scientific theory -- unlike like gravity or radiation. Darwinian evolution has major flaws even as a model. For example, homosexuality (some folks claim it's genetic) should have been ruthlessly rooted out a long time ago. Under evolutionary theory it would be caused by bad genes and is contrary to the survival of humanity -- the need to reproduce. That's a pretty small one though. Evolutionary theory has trouble with the fossil record, the human genome, the problem of sustainable positive mutations being so fractionally minimal, the complexity of living organisms... I could go on and on. Science is pretty good at dealing with what can be directly tested. Much less so at everything else. Pure scientific research is a myth. Everyone, scientists included, is colored by their worldview.

Roadkill
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Roadkill 02/18/09 - 10:46 am
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Does any one even care that

Does any one even care that Charles Darwin himself said that he was probably wrong???

soldout
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soldout 02/18/09 - 11:30 am
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good words genwheeler. If

good words genwheeler. If you want your children to see both sides of the discussion order them the seven DVD set on creation from drdino.com. The reality is, the truth is the truth no matter where it comes from and a fact is a fact whether you can prove it or not.

Roadkill
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Roadkill 02/18/09 - 11:53 am
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Soldout, correction, theory

Soldout, correction, theory until proven to be a fact. That is the difference between theory and facts. Sorry to screw up your theory but that's the fact.

MyTake
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MyTake 02/18/09 - 11:58 am
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This article has a witty

This article has a witty title.

TechLover
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TechLover 02/18/09 - 12:12 pm
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soldout: Do you mean the

soldout: Do you mean the DrDino started by "Kent Hovind, founder of Creation Science Evangelism and Dinosaur Adventure Land in Pensacola, was found guilty of 58 counts, including failure to pay $845,000 in employee-related taxes. He faces a maximum of 288 years in prison."? The same "Dr" Hovrind who received his degrees from diploma mills? The same "Dr" Hovrind who believes the the government blew up the Federal Building in Ok and the WTC? Do a little research on the guy. Probably not a reliable source. If you want, you can visit him at the Federal Correctional Institution in Edgefield, unless he's been moved to another prison.

soldout
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soldout 02/18/09 - 12:36 pm
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Kent is a great source and

Kent is a great source and the DVDs are awesome. It took the grand jury several times to get him to trial because the case was and still is weak. I have visited him and he is doing well in Edgefield and has a great minstry there and is teaching and blessing his fellow prisoners. His ministry is still doing well and hasn't missed a beat. He is brillant and a wonderful teacher. He put a little too much trust in his lawyers but God is using him in prison just like he used Paul. Roadkill; a fact is always a fact; our proof has nothing to do with whether it is a fact or not.

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disssman 02/18/09 - 12:41 pm
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And God created man in his

And God created man in his image. Now where did the various races come from. Or for that matter was Asian the original? It appears that we have had some dramatic evolution in the 10,000 years or less that the bible references us to. Just remember the bible wasn't written on a daily basis, most of it was written hundreds of years later, and based on tales passed down by generations.

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concercitizen 02/18/09 - 01:01 pm
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Go out on the streets and

Go out on the streets and ride arond and look at some of the residents in the blighted sections. Go to your local grocery stores in the middle of the day when everyone else is at work. Many of the sights you will see give validity to the theory of evolution. However, I am not a believer in the theory of evolution, and would rather think that mankind, in some instances, is a victim of devolution. Instead of evolving from Apes, some forms of mankind is devolving back to Apes.(This is not racial, as it applies to all people)

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