Stimulus portends ill for our nation

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Both houses of Congress have now passed the roughly $780 billion boondoggle affectionately referred to as a stimulus. The bill was passed just in time for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to catch a private jet to Europe for a taxpayer funded meet-and-greet, but had to wait until Tuesday for President Obama to sign it into law. It's a good thing the country survived until Tuesday, since according to them we didn't have a "moment to spare" to avoid catastrophe.

If you look at what's in the bill, it doesn't take long to realize that it is little more than a 40-year wish list of liberal spending programs, with a token amount of tax credits thrown in with the hope of gaining bipartisan support. Sadly for the Obama administration, three votes from the opposite side of the aisle will not give them the cover they seek when this bill fails to deliver on its promise.

This bill does nothing more than create the beast that will eventually eat itself. It's called socialism, and it has failed every time it has been tried. In short, it works like this: As the government grows and exercises ever-increasing control over our lives, productivity lags until it becomes virtually nonexistent. The incentive to produce will vanish as more of our earnings are seized to fund an ever-expanding government. Eventually, most people give up and begin living on government handouts because there is no longer an incentive to do otherwise.

At some point in the future, the government, in its lust for power and control, will have destroyed the very source of this country's wealth, prosperity and, ironically, its own funding in the process.

That's the change we used to fight against, not believe in.

Barry Ready

Aiken, S.C.

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patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 02/18/09 - 03:39 am
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O will tax us all into

O will tax us all into prosperity and then give us another huge stimulus (that we pay for ) just to show how nice he is. UP THE OBAMA!! YES YOU DID!!

Cheech1
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Cheech1 02/18/09 - 03:53 am
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Mr Ready - OUTSTANDING job of

Mr Ready - OUTSTANDING job of capturing the reality of the situation and explaining it. Well done, Sir!

christian134
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christian134 02/18/09 - 07:33 am
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Very well said Barry

Very well said Barry Ready...Look out my fellow Americans who actually believe in a free America for we who are about to become good little socialists salute you Pres. O: all the while watching the Constitution and American Flag as well as American currency go down in flames..

dashiel
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dashiel 02/18/09 - 08:00 am
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I'm with pissandmoan.

I'm with pissandmoan.

GACopperhead
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GACopperhead 02/18/09 - 08:22 am
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I'd worry a lot less about

I'd worry a lot less about your non-existent "socialism" and be much more concerned with the erosion of the Constitution that Republicans put into effect over the last 8 years. Wiretaps without warrants on AMERICAN CITIZENS, the whole Patriot act, the National ID, renditions, torture, need I go on? You [filtered word] and moan about the bill, but, do you really think that doing nothing would work? You Republicans say...we're spending too much money! Let's give big business a TAX BREAK! It's the same as...I have too many credit card bill, let's take a reduction in pay! Bush DOUBLED the deficit, while Karl Rove fiddled( "Deficits don't matter." Direct quote). Republicans put us in this mess, and all they do is WHINE!

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 02/18/09 - 08:25 am
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GaC, coffee, then post. Give

GaC, coffee, then post. Give your meds a chance to kick in. Parroting the election year party line the first thing in the morning has to be hard on the psyche.

UncleBill
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UncleBill 02/18/09 - 08:29 am
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Actually as I was looking at

Actually as I was looking at the portions of the bill last night, it looked like there were more tax breaks than any other single item. Of course they were for the middle class and not for the very rich. How many of you guys posting on here are millionaires? Then on the subject of spending, at least this spending will stay at home rather than going down a black hole in another country, notably Iraq, or into the pockets of big corporations (buddies with Dick Cheney you know) with lucrative government contracts to provide services overseas which then get frittered away or embezzled. If there had been some fiscal responsibility in the previous eight years administration these arguments might hold some water. Unfortunately the last outfit shot the bucket full of holes.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 02/18/09 - 08:38 am
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UncleBill, those economic

UncleBill, those economic thingies are really confusing, aren't they? Ever hear of Thomas Sowell? or Walter E. Williams? You're being scammed with the "tax cuts for the middle class and not for the rich" spiel. Just a little reading will explain the situation without the rose colored glasses.

GACopperhead
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GACopperhead 02/18/09 - 08:39 am
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You Repubs keep spouting "You

You Repubs keep spouting "You can't borrow yourself out of debt". This is a misleading statement, as the government isn't trying to do that. It's trying to stimulate the economy so that we don't spiral into deflation, leading the world into a global depression. I don't know if it'll work, but it beats doing nothing, and beats Bush's borrowing billions from China for his "stimulus" that did absolutely nothing except add to the deficit that he left Obama, after inheriting a surplus. You should have screamed your slogans at Bush for 8 years. Bush DOUBLED the deficit! Why do you yell about Obama?

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disssman 02/18/09 - 08:40 am
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I kinda always thought the

I kinda always thought the wealth of this country was our vast mineral deposits and the people who live here. The writter is wrong to think that government intervention is the root of all evil. If we had more government oversight of wall street, we would not be in the pickle we are in now. The only reason the bankers stole our money (bonuses, bonuses, bonuses) was because they knew there was no one to catch them. Apparently Mr. Barry has never had to serve his country, and therefore dosen't have the respect one should have for a system worth fighting for. Maybe if we had a draft then all would see the wisdom of voting for the best candidate and not for the party.

GACopperhead
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GACopperhead 02/18/09 - 08:46 am
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Bush gave the wealthy a 1.3

Bush gave the wealthy a 1.3 TRILLION dollar tax cut. All this did was make the wealthy richer, the middle class poorer and the poor desperate. It OBVIOUSLY did nothing for our economy. Every result of the Bush administrations attempts to address the flagging economy shows the errors of Republican judgment, yet they still scream the same old tired mantras. The definition of insanity, pt et al , is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. Your ways got us into this mess, why do you continue to believe they will get us out of it?

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 02/18/09 - 08:49 am
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GaC, great Dem post. No fact,

GaC, great Dem post. No fact, lot's of bologna. It's sandwich makin' time.

GACopperhead
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GACopperhead 02/18/09 - 08:51 am
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So, henry, it was ok for the

So, henry, it was ok for the Republicans to spend money out of hand? It was GOOD for Bush to DOUBLE the deficit? So, It's ok if it's a Republican subsidizing the wealthy to the point where the the economy is falling apart, but Democrats can't do it? Bull! I'd like to see the Republicans ONLY suffering in this economic debacle, getting the results of their votes. You had your chance, and you ran this country into the dirt. Thanks. By the way, stupid is looking at the truth and calling it stupid.

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I4PUTT 02/18/09 - 08:55 am
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GAC you're an intelligent

GAC you're an intelligent man. Where do you suppose Obama will get this money from? He like Bush will sell our securities to China. We will be even deeper in debt by virtue of Obama's first 30 days. At least under Bush we had 6 years of great economic times. You rant about Bush's war in Iraq and how our soldiers are committing suicide because of so many rotations back to war zones. Obama in less than 30 days has decided to double the number of troops in Afghanistan. This will only mean that those same troops will now have even more time to serve in war zones because we haven't even begun to reduce the number of troops in Iraq. Obama is only Bush at his worst on steroids.

GACopperhead
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GACopperhead 02/18/09 - 08:58 am
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PT, disprove my facts. Bush

PT, disprove my facts. Bush gave the 1.3 Trillion in tax breaks to the wealthy, leading to the richest 400 people in the US paying only 17% in taxes. Fact. Bush doubled the deficit. Fact. Bush borrowed the money from China to give the "stimulus". Fact. Bush's Iraq policy is still costing about 10 billion a month. Fact. Republicans voted against the regulation of Wall Street. Fact. (Check the votes, I did.) I researched every one of those, PT. Where is it that it's bologna?

dashiel
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dashiel 02/18/09 - 09:03 am
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[filtered word], I believe you are

[filtered word], I believe you are attempting to imply that Bush-era Republicans have no moral authority to lecture about deficits.

GACopperhead
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GACopperhead 02/18/09 - 09:04 am
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I4Putt, I agree that the

I4Putt, I agree that the money has to come from somewhere. The solution to 8 years of mismanagement cannot be painless. I haven't said a word about suicide or Iraq until my last post, and all I have mentioned was the cost. If Bush had concentrated of Afghanistan originally, and stayed out of Iraq, say until after Afghanistan was secure, we might be in a better position internationally. If we do nothing, the majority of economists(no, pt, Rush isn't an economist) worry that the world could spiral into unbridled deflation. That worries me more than deficit spending right now.

GACopperhead
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GACopperhead 02/18/09 - 09:06 am
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dashiel, you're dead on. Your

dashiel, you're dead on. Your petty little insult just proves you intelligence....or lack of it.

GACopperhead
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GACopperhead 02/18/09 - 09:08 am
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One more time, the American

One more time, the American people, by a vast majority think that Republicans suck. I agree.

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justthefacts 02/18/09 - 09:09 am
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Copperhead, Obama also said

Copperhead, Obama also said "deficits don't matter" on Meet the Press. Rove never said it. Cheney said it in reference to the Reagan yrs. Rove may have repeated Cheney's comments. BTW, most every conservative on here was critical of Bush's spending. I though Obama was going to be different. Wasn't that his campaign promise. If this bill was designed for stimulus only, people could live with it. Unfortunately, as the letter so accurately states, it is more about spending and paybacks than stimulating. Hey, the least you can do is head on down to the maternity ward at University and thank all those newborns for agreeing to bail us out of our irresponsible spending. I am sure they are going to be referring to us as anything but the "greatest generation".

Bizarro
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Bizarro 02/18/09 - 09:25 am
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Bush gave everyone a tax

Bush gave everyone a tax break just the rich faired better. Obama isn't giving the top 5% any break only the 95%. The vast majority believe a Dem Congress sucks too-whats your point. The problem is the majority of the top 5% aren't the uber-rich and they have lost their [filtered word] of late. The vast majority of the top 5% now have less to tax. The uber-rich is probably less than .1% of the pop. The majority of the 5% pay their 33% in taxes-if not the govt would not have any money to function because they don't get crap from the middle class.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 02/18/09 - 09:34 am
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GaC, I'm glad you're a good

GaC, I'm glad you're a good Dem. The facts you select to make your point leave out a few points. During the era you remark on, did you know there is a war on? Radical Islam declared war on the U.S. and Bush responded. Your 17% comments seem to leave out a few facts. Different taxes are at different rates. The top 10% of earners in this country pay 67% of all federal income tax. The Bush tax cuts INCREASED the amount of dollars collected by the federal government. And, the first two years of his administration and the last two years of his administration, Dems controlled congress. Even so, the unemployment rate was less than 5% during the middle years. This is the only time our economy did so well, and still the far left press (apparently your only source of information) preached gloom and doom, but that spiel was just election year rhetoric, not fact. BOLOGNA.

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carcraft 02/18/09 - 09:37 am
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How many of you really care

How many of you really care that the Government ( you know the one that was supposed to rign in Fannie mea and Freddie Mac, stop M adoff etc) is going to have access to your health records to insure you get the appropriate treatment? Do you want your medical treatment made public if you sound off like Joe the plumber (whose private Government records were breeched and released to the press)? Do you like the 9 BILLION dollar high speed rail system from Los Angeles to Las Vagas? How about millions for STD's there is stimulus for you! I was not happy about Bush running up the defecit either. government has gotten way out of control by both parties and do do consider the Republicans a little hypocritical!.

ITDoc
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ITDoc 02/18/09 - 09:42 am
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You know a politician is a

You know a politician is a hypocrite by the R or D in front of their name.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 02/18/09 - 09:46 am
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Well the synopsis is that for

Well the synopsis is that for the next fifty years (or much longer)our descendants will be dealing with hyperinflation and hypertaxes. If the strategy is that only the top 5% will foot this bill then within one generation that top 5% will diminish to nothing so the bill will be footed by the middle class-the top 5% aren't stupid (wouldn't be wealthy otherwise ) so they will either work less to be under the 250K mark or move to another country on their own terms. Believe me the middle class and everyone has to pay for such an incredible amount of debt and are already planning to expand again. This runaway train has a bomb on it and when it reaches critical mass this economy will explode.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 02/18/09 - 09:50 am
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Bizarro, the top 5% will

Bizarro, the top 5% will diminish to nothing in this country only because they'll be in another country being productive and gaining wealth. Soon, the uninformed middle class that helped elect this Marxist president will have something else to blame on Bush. The blind seem to be the easiest to lead.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 02/18/09 - 09:50 am
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I think we need to impeach

I think we need to impeach Obama!! He has stated to this day that tax cuts don't work and caused the failure of our economy but then asked for the majority of the bill to be tax cuts. One can only assume he wants the economy to fail by his admission. Time to impeach for treason as he plans and forces the failure of our economy by adopting failed policies. hee,hee,hee. Logic is a bit@h ain't it.

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LaTwon 02/18/09 - 10:03 am
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copperhead........... see how

copperhead........... see how long your 8 dollar a week bone-us
check out runs inflation.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 02/18/09 - 10:05 am
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LOL, Bizarro. In truth,

LOL, Bizarro. In truth, you've put a light on the current shell game. The proposed tax cuts will be "paid for" by an increase on the productive part of the country, who will then pass on the increase as the "cost of doing business" so the consumer will again pay the tax increase. This is a Dem trick called "good politics".

Bizarro
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Bizarro 02/18/09 - 10:15 am
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I hope someone finds legal

I hope someone finds legal grounds to challenge the Constitutionality of this bill. Obi-wan Konobe your are our only hope. This kind of reminds me of the Empire Strikes Back and the Clone wars-in a metaphorical sense. Patti I'm speaking Movie-nese so the Dems can understand. LOL. Oh I know another movie "Legally Blind"-oops I mean Legally Blonde-freudian slip my apologizes.

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