Bill, "Everything that these people are doing appears to be unconstitutional."? Like what? Socialism = social programs does not = treason.
Columnist Cal Thomas writes that President Obama's "stimulus" plan changes our free economic system into a "socialistic system that exalts the state" ("Happiness or misery? Those are our choices for the stimulus bill," Feb. 10).
Absolutely correct! It started with Franklin Roosevelt, but has sped up in recent decades, especially when Clinton and Bush II made a great leap into socialism, setting things up for Obama to close the deal.
Consider this: Everything these people are doing appears to be unconstitutional. Is that treason? If so, how do we stop the treason when it's committed by people who hold the reins of power? When laws actually worked, traitors were arrested, tried and, if found guilty, sentenced to a minimum of prison, if not executed.
In our case, that means arresting most of Congress and the federal courts and arresting almost anybody in the White House except the butler.
How do we do that? The Constitution doesn't say, and government purposely keeps us disorganized, thus powerless, even though the "people" are supposed to hold the power. The Declaration of Independence does give us a clue, by saying we have the right to throw off tyranny. Our Founding Fathers pulled it off. Alas, it appears today's government-fed hordes don't have the moxie.
Bill Dekle
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Bill, "Everything that these people are doing appears to be unconstitutional."? Like what? Socialism = social programs does not = treason.
No one wants to take responsibility. All they want is the share of the money pie and the power to go with it. They careless about Timbuktu and it's residents. It's why there won't be any impeachments. It's why there won't be any trials for treason. But one day the general public will have enough, and folks will remember a different 1917, and the "Czars" will face a similar fate. Seems every 100 years we either have a Revolution or Civil War and 2061 is coming up (and it'll be about the right time, as the kids will have to face this trillion dollar tax bill, and having to pay it back [and Social Security has long been spent, by their Hippie generation "free [insert name]" parents who were so selfish to do all of this]). The worst generation? Will turn out to be these early "Baby Boomers".
Perhaps a "Million Taxpayer " march on Washington?....................
Socialism is here. All of the historians that warned of voters accessing the national treasury were right. We obviously can't put things back, we'll have to recover, or not.
Interesting thing about it is that the southern states who by and large decry this as socialism have typically received twice the federal dollars back than they have paid in taxes. In other words, they are welfare states living off the hard work and tax dollars from the north.
Wiretaps and searches without a warrant, (violates 4th Amendment), hold prisoners without charge(violates 6th Amendment), torture (violates 8th Amedment). These were all impeachable offenses, not treason, committed by the past administration, Where was your letter then? Overspending is not an impeachable offense, nor is it treason."Article 3 Section 3 - Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted." Dang that pesky Constitution. Yet another right winger who is silent when Reagan, Bush, or a Repub Congress wastes tax dollars and spends like crazy, but cries like a baby when the Dems are in charge. Bill, go take your meds and relax. Your side lost the election after being in charge most of the past few decades. Live with it.
mds:You are right. Last time I looked it up only Texas and Ga (by $.01), although now I guess you can add NC, are the only red states that actually pay more to the Fed than they receive. Let every state keep what it pays and we'll the red states whine even more.
Tech makes a good point. Why didn't Rep call Bush on all his spending. I mean it is antithetical to all Rep rhetoric, and the Bush bail out plan wasn't even a plan (and once again against all Rep rhetoric). Makes Bush look like a RINO and the GOP hypocrits. Unfortunately the Dem will continue with more spending and building even a bigger govt than Bush. So in essence they are continuing with the momentum Bush created in spending and larger govt. Odd that Dems hated the spending and increases with Bush but now endorse it with Obama-looks hypocritical.
Want to see "crying like a baby" just watch and listen as this nation falls not just to it's knees but all the way into the graveyard...All that is left is for Pres. O and his cronies to shovel the dirt over us...I don't know what the answers are but one thing I do know is that a government under a socialist rule goes against all the past leaders and people who fought and died for this nation to be free...Free from tyranny and oppression...Alas they fought and died for nothing...We have enabled a coming time when our children's children are being blanketed with the grim reaping of former days gone by...
Sandy, makes good sense @ 2:43 AM. Tech never does.
just; Your screen name is antithetical to your posts. Sorry you didn't read or don't comprehend the Constitution.
C134; I see you're one of the ones doing the crying. For all you righties crying socialism, refuse to take part. Don't accept (or just don't cash) any stimulus check that comes, give back the first one, don't drive on roads that taxpayers money were "redistributed" to build, don't call a taxpayer funded cop or fireman when in need (just have your own private security force paid for by only you), don't use power from the grid since much of the development of the grid ( especially in the south was built by federal works projects, stay out of National and state parks and recreation areas, when of age, don't accept Social Security or Medicare. By gosh you've got standards. Live up to them.
Biz;Sorry for borrowing the "antithetical" but it fit right in for just's screen name.
exactly techlover.9:19 they criticize and cry but does anyone have a better idea?should we just act like nothing is wrong while the world downspirals?it must be nice to have an inept,criminal, administration like we just got rid of, to say it wasn't our fault! it was clinton and carter and those liberal congress people,and that damn barney frank! yeah we tried but those ghosts kept us from our real potential,what a pile of s..t!.just like we just got rid of.please investigate them,charge them, and arrest them.on what? start with another 911 invesigation from outside sources!i'll bet you 'll that will get some attention.
justus: Dang, don't start bringing up the Civil War. Now all the flaggots will come out of the closet.
justus: I told you so. south: So if your name doesn't sound like a white guy's, it's ok to usurp the Constitution? Unlike you, I think the Constitution applies to all Americans. There are still those around who stood and cheered as blacks were being lynched, and I don't think their names are Zamir, Omar, or Akmed. As much as detest their actions, I still think that the Constitution applies to them. You're probably more into Skynyrd, but one of Frank Zappa's kids name is Ahmet. I guess you don't think he deserves Constitutional rights either.
The flaggots are no different than having to read justus' constant rage that the white man is keeping him down. It gets old after the first post. The all white media this and white devils blah blah. Lighten up there Louis. Without all those hated white devils Obama would have never won the POTUS.
I guess it depends on how each person interprets the meaning of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and the "intent" of our forefathers. I for one do not believe it was ever the intent of the framers of the Constitution nor those brave men who risk their lives to draft and publish the Declaration of Independence that this government would come to the situation where it took the money from working people and gave it to people who do not work. Therefore I believe Socialism is unconstitional and could possibly be treason. Why should we have laws that say the people in California have to pay for some crazy woman to have 14 children? We do we have laws that say people can lay up and make babies that other working people have to pay for? That was never the intent of the founders of this country. Treasonous....yes I think so. Socialism has failed in every country that tried and it has broke the economy, ruined medical treatment, and encouraged more people not to work. When you implement a system that will bring a country to it's knees, that IS treason and socialism is that system.
techlover, the sad thing is your side as you call it won, and we do have to live with it.
robbing peter tp pay paul , and it will burden us for decades to come......
Tech, we will just have disagree on my screen name because I think it is fact that most of your posts are wack.
The writter forgets that the people he is talking about are the duly elected members of congress that "we the people" keep sending there. BTW what does he mean by the words "appears to be" either they are or they aren't. And in conclusion, DRUMBEATER, just remember that the 305 Bil start of the robbery was by Bush and his Treasury secretary, and with no demands to protect the taxpayer it is haunting the taxpayers now!!!
The only treasonists I see around here are the LTE writer, the ACES and their puppets.
justus4, your ignorant post overlooks the historical fact, that grant,and your saviour,a.lincoln gave the surrendering army of the confederacy as much leeway as he could. he respected gen. robert e. lee, who came from a line of patriot soldiers who fought for their country as they saw their duty to do so.
your post overlooks every comendable sanction the union offered returning csa vets. i have personally seen letters of pardon in people homes right here in augusta , ga. where swore allegience to the "saved" union .
the yankeee politicians , freedmen's bureau, skalawags and carpet baggers lost no time in putting people in place after lincoln's assasination to basically rape and pillage an economy and a country that was already in ruins.lincoln in effect died to save your ancestor's black skin, but your people fled the south, went north, went west and soon found out they were not welcome there either.who wanted to give up post war jobs to blacks, when there was now no need for the large union army and they were mustered out?people clung to their jobs and ways of life up there as well....sorta the not in my back yard theory.
do you think you will benefit from this idiocy ?
Don't forget the misogynists willis.
If you suspect someone, take your evidence to a judge (the FISA Court hardly ever turned one down-5 out of almost 20,000). Even if emergent, the warrant could be obtained for up to 72 hours after the fact. Roughly 3,000 people were killed on 9/11. Over 30,000 in the US are killed by guns yearly in the US. I'm sure you support gun rights since it's in the Constitution (forget the "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State..." part). I don't like cherry picking what parts of the Constitution to follow.
Remember the purpose of the militia was not only for protection but also to raise against the govt if it got out of hand. The forefathers feared govt as is evident with the balance of powers, especially a strong central govt. They were also an elitist well-educated lot that also feared giving power to the masses which back then were mostly uneducated. Govt has always been an experiment but at least our govt has had some success and appears to be outlasting the younger communism as an ideal for govt.