Huge injustice sidestepped

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The two U.S. Border Patrol agents probably shouldn't have shot a fleeing drug dealer in the buttocks.

But they sure didn't deserve to have their country stab them in the back, either.

Jose Compean and Ignacio Ramos were sentenced to an unbelievable 12 and 11 years respectively for shooting illegal alien Osvaldo Aldrete Dávila, who was smuggling 743 pounds of marijuana in February 2005.

The drug dealer, who was illegally crossing our borders to poison our people, got less time in prison: 9.5 years. Thankfully, though belatedly, President George W. Bush commuted Compean's and Ramos' sentences, meaning they will be released soon.

Bush may have needed to do so just to re-enter Texas upon retirement: 31 of the state's 34 members of Congress had asked him in a letter to help the agents out.

This is the wisdom of our system of government: As deliberate and as redundant as our legal system is, sometimes it makes egregious mistakes.

This was one of those times.

Yes, Compean and Ramos were wrong to try to cover up the shooting. They will not work as border agents again. And they have paid a tremendous price.

Even if you think they needed punishing, they've repaid their debt to society.

Can society say the same about its debt to our border agents? For too many years, we put them on a border with too few agents and virtually no obstructions to prevent millions of illegal entries. Increasingly over the years, those entries have involved dangerous and ruthless drug and immigrant smugglers.

We should pat our agents on the back, not stab them there.

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GGpap
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GGpap 01/25/09 - 01:18 am
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The one right thing GW did

The one right thing GW did during his administration, absolutely! "Can society say the same about its debt to our border agents? For too many years, we put them on a border with too few agents and virtually no obstructions to prevent millions of illegal entries." The second sentence says it all; it's just one of the wrong things GW did not take care of during his administration. So now we have (how many million?) countless numbers of illegal immigrants that Jose Compean and Ignacio Ramos, and a few other border patrol agents were prevented from stopping at the border. Thanks for the commutation, GW; no thanks due for the latter acts of negligence, GW. Good article AC. GGpap

HTN007
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HTN007 01/25/09 - 03:36 am
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One right thing in 8 years.

One right thing in 8 years. He could have pardoned Scooter(Libby) and then been like a clock that doesn't run.....correct twice in a day. So, why didn't he do it (pardon Scooter)?

Trouble1
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Trouble1 01/25/09 - 04:51 am
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i will agree that bush

i will agree that bush pardoning the boarder agents was the right thing to do, but unless we were attacked by terrorists since 9/11, i hardly think it was the ONE right thing he did. but then again, some people just dont have enough common sense to realize he also kept us safe, they live in a fairy tale land where terrorists would never have tried again to take down America.

Trouble1
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Trouble1 01/25/09 - 04:52 am
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next question is......if

next question is......if obama is so much better than bush, why wasnt it one of his first acts to tighten boarder control, which i will agree is badly in need of tightening?

justus4
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justus4 01/25/09 - 05:00 am
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The people that support
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The people that support pardoning of the Border agents are also supporting sworn officers breaking the laws. These two guy fired their weapons, even though their lives were not at risk and, they tampered with evidence and, they lied about it all. Twenty-five percent of African-Americans males in prison are there because a officer lied or obstructed justice. Many non-minorities are in denial about the facts and think the end justifies the means. WRONG! These agents violated their sworn oath! Thats a big deal, because when that oath becomes a joke (it maybe already there) the society slips into anarchy. Officers are held to a higher standard, but this again demonstrates that the standards are being lowered.

55 F-100
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55 F-100 01/25/09 - 06:35 am
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justus4, make sure to place

justus4, make sure to place your check for your A.C.L.U. dues in the Post Office when you pick up your mailbox money on your way to your mosque. The only mistake these agents made is that they should have shot that drug smuggling maggot in the back, front, top, and bottom, and left him DEAD RIGHT THERE. As far as the the black males in prison, well they are there because they are the dope slinging hood rat thugs who got caught and when you come to think about it, that prison sentence may be the only thing that they actually "earned" in their miserable lives!!!

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 01/25/09 - 07:01 am
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The actions taken against the

The actions taken against the officers destroyed the border patrol. No member of the patrol will do anything any more aggressive than report activity because of fear of retribution. Allowing these officers to be prosecuted was the worst mistake by the Bush administration. Pardoning them was too little too late. Reparations should also be made.

Motorman5039
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Motorman5039 01/25/09 - 07:05 am
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Trouble: "to tighten boarder

Trouble: "to tighten boarder Patrol" isn't something done overnight...What do you expect him to do in the first week, grab a shovel, go to the counter line of Home Depot yelling "can I get about 1000 miles of fence please"....

Motorman5039
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Motorman5039 01/25/09 - 07:22 am
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55 F-100: Justus 4 is

55 F-100: Justus 4 is right... Partially... I think the agents should have been pardoned, but I strongly feel they should never work in law enforcement again.. They covered up a shooting, having never reported it, then later when the situation came to light they lied... They were dishonest, and lying when you are a FLEO equals death to your career (Brady/Giglio), there is no getting around that...But they should have been pardoned, I don't like to see criminals win, and sending the agents to prison while the smuggler got immunity doesn't sit well with me...As for your rant about black males in prison for being dope sling thugs, well, I find your comments tasteless and short sighted.. Balck males are just as good at child molestation, fraud, and bank robbery as any white male anyday! Lastly, as far as the agents shooting the guy in the back, well, I've heard citizens call on officers to break the law before. Probelm is those same citizens won't take care of the officers kids and family while he is in prison. They won't come see him, they won't send his wife or kids money...And they definitely won't trade places with him...

Motorman5039
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Motorman5039 01/25/09 - 07:29 am
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That's why they call it the

That's why they call it the "thin blue line", because few are worthy enough, honest enough, and morally sound enough to stand on it and not waiver or step over to one side or another..You see, that "thin blue line" is a narrow line, and on either side of it is the world of deviants and criminals, or the world of average people and civilians, who would take things personally. Some of those civilians would bend the law to cover their buttocks, or break the law and cover it up...Those former boarder patrol agents fell off that "thin blue line", but I still feel they are average, not criminals, thus they deserved a pardon, but they don't need to step back on that line...

I4PUTT
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I4PUTT 01/25/09 - 07:30 am
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Motormouth, Closing Gitmo

Motormouth, Closing Gitmo isn't something that can be done over night either. He didn't wait long to issue that directive.

christian134
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christian134 01/25/09 - 08:00 am
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Releasing these two Border

Releasing these two Border Patrol agents was the right thing to do...They should never have been imprisoned to begin with...Shooting the fleeing drug smugglers in the rear ends was the right thing to do...Hey they didn't kill them...These two men were doing their jobs...They deserve a medal and restored to their jobs with raises...

americafirst
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americafirst 01/25/09 - 08:06 am
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Bush did not pardon them. He

Bush did not pardon them. He commuted their sentences which mean they get out of prison immediately but their convictions stand. They also remain on supervised release which is the federal version of parole.

_SisterAbdullahX_
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_SisterAbdullahX_ 01/25/09 - 08:40 am
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George W. Bush didn't PARDON

George W. Bush didn't PARDON a single person on his last day. And he didn't pardon any terrorists during his entire 8 years. Not all Presidents can say that.

HYPOCRITES 08
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HYPOCRITES 08 01/25/09 - 08:49 am
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Yeah shoot them as long as

Yeah shoot them as long as you do not kill them. Maybe we should apply that to all crimes from jaywalking to shoplifting. Having said that, I do not believe that they should have been in prison.

overburdened_taxpayer
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overburdened_taxpayer 01/25/09 - 08:55 am
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Trouble - Bush didn't pardon

Trouble - Bush didn't pardon the Ramos and Compean. He commuted their sentences. They still have a criminal record they just don't have to serve as much time. It's a shame though. They should never have been prosecuted in the first place. I'm not so sure they tried to cover up anything as there is some discussion on what they told their supervisors and the supervisors didn't respond correctly. Then they give amnesty to the drug dealer for his testimony against them (his jail time was for a different incident after that). And allow him to stay in the country. So tell me he didn't have a reason to commit purjury at their trial.

fred1217
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fred1217 01/25/09 - 09:02 am
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Aren't you guys that are

Aren't you guys that are defending these lying back shooters the same crew that said that Bill Cinton's lies were "High Crimes and Misdemeanors"? Does this mean in your minds that the Oath that Bill Clinton took was different from the Oath that the Officers took? I see somebody forgot their Sunday School lessons on being a HYPOCRITE.

griesella
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griesella 01/25/09 - 09:09 am
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Bill Clinton shot someone in

Bill Clinton shot someone in the back? Who? Vince Foster?

overburdened_taxpayer
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overburdened_taxpayer 01/25/09 - 09:18 am
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No one wants to be HYPOCRITE.

No one wants to be HYPOCRITE. Have you not seen some of his posts?

curly123053
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curly123053 01/25/09 - 09:25 am
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Who did Bill Clinton

Who did Bill Clinton shoot????? Oh, he shot us American citizens in the back with his lies and excuses over the Monica affair.

Tujeez1
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Tujeez1 01/25/09 - 09:27 am
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No Griesella, Vince was shot

No Griesella, Vince was shot in the side......of the head. It's funny though, he shot himself with a revolutionary war era black powder pistol and left absolutely NO gun powder burns on his skin. I haven't seen that one on Mythbusters yet, I wonder why?

rufus
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rufus 01/25/09 - 09:28 am
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Justice, did you know that

Justice, did you know that 87% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

SandyK2005
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SandyK2005 01/25/09 - 09:36 am
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Truth is there's something

Truth is there's something else going on to have those agents imprisoned so harshly (e.g., making an example out of them, that even Bush would only commute their sentences, not outright granting a pardon). In the news of late, there's also talk that Mexico is about to fall. Meanwhile, paramilitary organizations (like Los Zetas) have taken over complete cities, in multiple regions. Los Zetas were Mexican paratroopers and narcotics agents that were trained by the US (here we go again......), who turned sides and now has made the drug trade a terrorist enterprise. No longer is it the fun and games of "Cheech and Chong" trying to smuggle a van of pot over the border, it's bona fide terrorists arranging assasinations on our soil all the way up the "golden corridor". So those agents aren't in prison for shooting some low life, they're in there as a warning to other agents to keep the "business" going. Something fishy is going on, and the US is even behind it all the way up to the top -- as policy.

SandyK2005
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SandyK2005 01/25/09 - 09:40 am
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Watch the series at YouTube,

Watch the series at YouTube, and understand what we're really facing, and it's not some Crypts or Bloods turf fighting..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu3Z8QqUgtE&feature=PlayList&p=F4AE1C131E...

corgimom
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corgimom 01/25/09 - 10:40 am
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Rufus, now that was 100%

Rufus, now that was 100% funny!

TechLover
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TechLover 01/25/09 - 11:42 am
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Margie Schoedinger:Killed in

Margie Schoedinger:Killed in December of 2003 by a gunshot wound to the head.Accused George W. Bush of raping her. Yeah, there's lots of conspiracy stuff out there. W did commute Scooter's sentence but did not give him a full pardon. curly: As the old saying goes:Clinton scr*wed an intern, W scr*wed the whole country.

crackertroy
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crackertroy 01/25/09 - 12:08 pm
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To me, this is perhaps the
Unpublished

To me, this is perhaps the biggest injustice to single individuals that I have heard of in a long long time. Bush should have pardoned Ramos and Compean.

_SisterAbdullahX_
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_SisterAbdullahX_ 01/25/09 - 12:21 pm
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W scr*wed the whole country.?

W scr*wed the whole country.? In what way? Was it by instituting policies that prevented any more attacks? Was it by getting us out of a recession (which the Dem Congress pushed us back into)? Give us some specifics.

SandyK2005
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SandyK2005 01/25/09 - 12:22 pm
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He won't, as there's

He won't, as there's something else afoot. Our dealings with Mexico is funny business, even more so when we scream about terrorists, when we have them already operating stateside, and not just on the border towns. Los Zetas is even in Atlanta, right in our backyard.

_SisterAbdullahX_
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_SisterAbdullahX_ 01/25/09 - 12:26 pm
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Sandy....He won't? Who

Sandy....He won't? Who won't? Bush? Of course he won't... he doesn't have the power to pardon anyone.....or didn't you know?

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