When the other shoe drops

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Iraqis can throw all the shoes they want. They can demand that U.S. troops leave as soon as possible. And they may get their wish.

But if they think George W. Bush is the problem there, or that throwing shoes at him will help, their future is cloudier than feared.

Certainly as a liberator, President Bush leaves something to be desired. He invaded the country on faulty intelligence and his plan for occupation was almost nonexistent.

But former Iraq dictator Saddam Hussein could have averted the war with simple compliance with U.N. weapons monitoring. It's too late to throw shoes at the real problem; he was hanged long ago.

Moreover, for one to be a liberator, folks must truly want to be liberated.

Ultimately, Iraq will be the kind of country that Iraqis themselves make. That kind of freedom comes with high responsibility. What they do with their freedom is up to them.

To have a so-called journalist hurling shoes at a president does not bode well for a democratic society. Nor does it say much about the state of journalism there.

The mainstream media in the U.S. certainly tainted their profession with their hatred of Bush and their unquestioning love for Barack Obama this year. But at least CNN correspondents kept their shoes on!

If President Bush is guilty of anything, it's hubris and naivete. He thought the Mideast could be tamed through military means; and he didn't appear to completely understand the dynamics in Iraq that would stand in the way of Western-style freedoms.

Those dynamics were rarely more in evidence than when "journalist" Muntadar al-Zeidi tried to hit our president with his shoes, a serious insult in Iraqi culture.

The U.S. is present in that part of the world due to a serious shortage of self-governance there - and the propensity for those in power to abuse it inside and outside of their own countries.

This incident raises nagging questions about Iraq's ability to stand on its own.

Whom will they blame for their problems when the other shoe drops and we're gone?

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HTN007
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HTN007 12/16/08 - 05:19 am
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and he didn't appear to

and he didn't appear to completely understand the dynamics in Iraq that would stand in the way of Western-style freedoms.........why would he? Don't forget, he was a "C student" which is why I say "no more C student presidents"!

Whom will they blame for their problems when the other shoe drops and we're gone?.............the Jews, who else?

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 12/16/08 - 05:43 am
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At least Barack Obama

At least Barack Obama understands that a political settlement to the Israeli / Palestinian Arab conflict is essential for peace in the Middle East. Bush was not only guilty of acting on false intelligence. His administration helped generate bogus intelligence through the Office of Special Plans (OSP) in the Pentagon which was headed by neocon Douglas Feith. Cheney & Rumsfeld played instrumental roles in establishing an "intelligence" (oxymoron) unit in the Pentagon to counter any contradictory evidence from the CIA. An Iraqi nuclear scientist living in America risked her life to return to Iraq to gather intelligence at the behest of the U.S. gov't. She contacted her brother in Iraq who is also a nuclear scientist. He smuggled coded information to her that there was no active nuclear weapons program in Iraq. Doug Feith at the OSP ignored that intelligence because it did not fit with the Bush/Cheney administration's casus belli. The entire rationale for the U.S. war in Iraq was false. There was both an intelligence failure AND a policy failure according to Thomas Fingar, until last week the deputy director of national intelligence for analysis. Iraqis have every right to resent Bush.

_SisterAbdullahX_
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_SisterAbdullahX_ 12/16/08 - 05:57 am
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What a surprise. More

What a surprise. More regurgitated, baseless cut and paste. If you were to actually GO to Iraq, or talk to the citizens, you would see that resent is an anomalous sentiment......or you can believe the left wing blogs and sit behind a keyboard like a typical America hating coward. The choice is yours.

_SisterAbdullahX_
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_SisterAbdullahX_ 12/16/08 - 06:04 am
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 12/16/08 - 06:43 am
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UN weapons inspectors were on

UN weapons inspectors were on the ground in Iraq doing their job in competent fashion when President Bush ordered them to leave Iraq so he could commence "shock and awe bombing" of Iraq. Two days ago a 513-page federal history of the U.S.-led reconstruction of Iraq found that a $100 billion program was a failure. It has done little more than repair the damage caused by "shock and awe" bombing & the initial U.S. invasion of Iraq. Today the nonpartisan Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments (CSBA) determined that the costs of the U.S. wars in Iraq & Afghanistan have topped $900 Billion so far & will easily top $1.7 Trillion by 2018 even with reductions in U.S. occupation troops in Iraq & Afghanistan. CSBA said the Iraq conflict alone has cost $687 Billion which exceeds the cost of every past U.S. war except for WWII. There are now about 148,000 U.S. troops in Iraq maintaining a tenuous status quo. That is at least 15,000 more U.S. troops than when President Bush announced the "temporary" surge in Jan 2007. Against advice of the expert Iraq Study Group, Bush refused to hold a summit with Iraq's neighbors & chose to permanently escalate this war. Iraq is another U.S. quagmire.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 12/16/08 - 07:12 am
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Instead of running in panic

Instead of running in panic or allowing the Iraqi secret service to pull him to a "safe" area, President Bush raised his hand, halting the charge of the secret police and turned and addressed the crowd, telling them that when they protest now, they won't be hauled outside and immediately killed. Everyone doesn't have to agree in a society. Protest is acceptable. Many, many more in Iraq DIDN'T protest the president's visit. The part of this article that wasn't mentioned is that while President Bush didn't do well as a conqueror, he did great at defending America. His lack of experience at being a conqueror showed on his first attempt and the "Monday morning quarterbacking" of this editorial is quick to point it out. I don't want a President that is experienced as a conqueror. Neither does America. That's why Bush was elected twice, despite the endless hate spewed by the hard left press.

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avidreader 12/16/08 - 07:21 am
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Mr. Cain, do you have a life

Mr. Cain, do you have a life other than researching statistics for a medium-market blog? I enjoy your comments, but I was simply wondering. Have a good day.

TechLover
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TechLover 12/16/08 - 07:41 am
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sister(brother): You can love

sister(brother): You can love your children even when they do wrong and don't like their actions. You want them to do better next time. By the same right, you can love your country and not like it's actions. Those of us on the left do love the US. We just want it to do the right things and admit when we have made mistakes. We can make this a better country. We can never again allow a bunch of neocons take the reigns of this country and try to remake other countries into what they wish they would be. W mistakenly listened to the bull of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Bill Kristol, and others from Project for the New American Century and the Rand Corporation and believed that American military might could be used for nation building. They have gotten us into a cesspool that will desintegrate into civil war and eventually become an Isamic theocracy once we leave. That is unless you "good" Americans are willing to sacrifice our brave soldiers forever.

TechLover
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TechLover 12/16/08 - 08:00 am
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PT: Once again you spew your

PT: Once again you spew your bull. Thanks to W, more US soldiers have died since the Vietnam era due to a war of choice. By listening to the neocons he tried to become a conquerer and succeeded in destroying all goodwill the US had after the 9/11 attacks. Bush was elected the first time by the antiquated electoral college despite receiving half a million less votes. He won the second time due to a campaign of "fear and smear". He was given a pass by the press on both occasions. The hate has been spewed by the far right press of Faux, Rush, Hannity, Boortz,etc who play loose with facts and the truth.

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Bizarro 12/16/08 - 08:34 am
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Heck people believe opinion

Heck people believe opinion blogs (like the DailyKOS) as though they are gospel when they are just propaganda. No different than Rush or the other imbeciles. There is no quagmire in Iraq-it is in Afghanistan.

JesusIsComing
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JesusIsComing 12/16/08 - 08:43 am
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Had Muntadar al-Zeidi thrown

Had Muntadar al-Zeidi thrown a shoe at Saddam Hussein, he would no longer need shoes. Iraq has come a long way since those days. America has liberated 50,000,000 Iraqis and most are aware of it. The rest, like our own left, would not be satisfied without a dictator in power. President Bush kept us safe - he fulfilled his mandate since 9/11.

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patriciathomas 12/16/08 - 09:33 am
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Very good TechLover. NPR

Very good TechLover. NPR couldn't have said it better. Wait, they said exactly the same thing, word for word. Polly want a cracker? Truth doesn't seem to influence you either.

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Talkatoast 12/16/08 - 09:44 am
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And without Bush putting our

And without Bush putting our soldiers over there, Iraq would have gone to hell. We must help our fellow human beings.

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bsandersga 12/16/08 - 09:45 am
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There was no way Saddam could

There was no way Saddam could have averted the war, Bush had it pre-planned and was hell-bent on having it. Inspectors WERE in Iraq, Bush told them to get out because he was going in.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 12/16/08 - 10:06 am
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Of course Bush was planning

Of course Bush was planning to attack Iraq when he took office-it was the law of the land for "regime change" in Iraq. It didn't mention how and I believe the moron believed it would be a quick victorty in and out with a massive military campaign. I also believe Clinton was planning as much but Monica-gate got in the way. Bush just used 9/11 as a handy argument-which was incredibly dumb trying to make that link as he didn't need to. He would have done better to just say we've [filtered word] aroung long enough with this fool, time for regime change, this is a strategic location for fighting the war on terror. I believe Bush made the mistake that Obama now makes-surrounding himself with old hats who are supposed "experts" on the subject and give crappy advice. Oh Boy, another Rumsfeld-like character trying to fix our economy now.

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FallingLeaves 12/16/08 - 11:02 am
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Bush sure has quick reflexes.

Bush sure has quick reflexes. I was impressed. That reporter better be glad Bush isn't the leader of a country like his. The reporter wouldn't be faring as well as he is right now.

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SouthernChic 12/16/08 - 11:16 am
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From what I understand,

From what I understand, throwing shoes in Iraq is akin to flipping the bird in the USA. Guess that dude is a little PO'd at the prez, huh? After watching the video of the shoe tosser, I'm wondering - where was the secret service? Looks like Bush had to dodge on his own. I expected the SS to come flying out right after the first shoe.

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elliottness 12/16/08 - 11:48 am
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once again i ask this

once again i ask this silly,but unanswered question.who gave the us the authority to invade any country,soverign also?who gave us a badge to sniff out wmds,terrorists, and whatever else is on our can't have list?who are we to impose our beliefs on everyone? the iraqis are better off?according to this rag they are.read the other headlines,where they want the shoemeister to be released! that's how much they love us.also,it's so peaceful over there but yet bush still sneaks in with lights off under a shroud of secrecy,and sneaks back out.they still have little electricity,poor water,school kids out of school,but you won't read that here.and they love us so much that we stay in a fortified greenzone because they keep pelting the soldiers with flowers.what a joke! release that shoemeister and name him times man of the year!

TechLover
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TechLover 12/16/08 - 12:03 pm
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PT You harp the the same

PT You harp the the same broken record over and over. You wouldn't know the truth if you got hit over the head with it. you back nothing you say up with facts, just your biased,uneducated, and ignorant opinion. Keep worshiping W and the neocons and all they've done to screw up the military and our nation. Keep listening to Rush,etc and their propaganda and you never will move beyond the hateful uneducated buffoon you show your yourself to be through your posts. Have a nice day.

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JohnQPublic 12/16/08 - 12:33 pm
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I'm not a Bush supporter, but

I'm not a Bush supporter, but I thought it was funny. The Prez sure did react quickly; ducking and dodging. He didn't seem threatened at all. Maybe the guy who did the throwing will go to jail, or maybe they'll give him a prize. The folk's over there hate Bush. And that's the truth.

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justthefacts 12/16/08 - 01:31 pm
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Hopefully on January 21st

Hopefully on January 21st will just pack up and leave. Oh wait...

willistontownsc
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willistontownsc 12/16/08 - 01:43 pm
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Bush actually leaves office

Bush actually leaves office at noon on January 20, 2009.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 12/16/08 - 01:44 pm
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I was giving PE Obama an

I was giving PE Obama an extra day.

rufus
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rufus 12/16/08 - 02:00 pm
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Those carpet jockeys are

Those carpet jockeys are going to end up killing each other sooner or later. Might as well install an express lane

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 12/16/08 - 02:37 pm
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Rufus, You are an American

Rufus, You are an American dork. They said the same thing about the Vietnamese when United States waged a war in their country. "People over there just don't have any respect for life" American dorks said as we killed between 1.5 and 3 million Vietnamese, Cambodians & Laotians. In the 1980s American idiots said "If we were not waging proxy wars in Central America those people would be hacking each other up with machetes." You are another American idiot, Rufus. United States is an extremely militaristic country. We do not learn the lessons of history. There is no military victory to be had for United States in Iraq or in Afghanistan. This country will break itself over the anvils of Iraq, Afghanistan & now Pakistan. Bush has succeeded not only destabilizing the entire Middle East, he has succeeded in destabilizing south Asia as well. About 4 years ago Retired Lt. Gen. William Odom said "The worst case scenario is not civil war in Iraq. The worst case scenario is a regional war." Commander in Chief George W. Bush has succeeded in making that worst case scenario not only on a possibility but a likely probability. The American people are not being told the truth about how bad it is.

rufus
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rufus 12/16/08 - 02:50 pm
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So cain, all I can assume

So cain, all I can assume that as a passive imbecile you prefer to stick your head in the sand and hope it all goes away. Nice plan boy genius.

me too
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me too 12/16/08 - 02:51 pm
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It would have been funnier if

It would have been funnier if Bush took off his shoe and beamed the guy. I have to say, the Secret Service was slow to react (yes, I've seen the replay a dozen times and they were super slow), and Bush's response to wave them off when they finally did react was the right thing to do. This guy was no real threat, and Bush knew it. And don't think for one moment, while this idiot was throwing shoes and spouting his anti-Bush hate speech, that in the back of his mind he knew, that if it weren't for Bush, he never, ever could have hurled a shoe at Saddam or spoken out against him. Dude would have had his feet cut off and his tongue cut out. God Bless America and have a nice day.

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me too 12/16/08 - 03:00 pm
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What's with all the American

What's with all the American dork and American idiot remarks JRHC? It seems that you are generalizing, putting all American's under the same blanket as war mongering, hate filled people who want to invade other countries just to watch their citizens die. Whether I agree or disagree with the President, I am proud to be American and proudly support and admire our armed forces.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 12/16/08 - 03:06 pm
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rufus, you have been dissed

rufus, you have been dissed by a traitor to our country. Feel proud.

jack
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jack 12/16/08 - 03:20 pm
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Cain, you have made a lot of

Cain, you have made a lot of your usual assinine allegations about Bush/Cheney/Feith manufacturing bogus intelligence. NOw show us your PROOF. Hmmmmm, didn't hink so.

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