Clear up confusion on union elections

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I am not surprised that the editor is just as confused as the late congressman from the 10th district when it comes to the Employee Freedom of Choice Act.

This legislation came about after Rep. Norwood offered a bill to make "card-checks" illegal. Today's bill attempts to provide a means whereby workers can have union representation without the fear and intimidation used by employers and their lawyers during the period leading up to the election.

There are usually 42 days from the filing of the petition to the election itself. During these 42 days, the company destroys the atmosphere for a fair election by conducting required meetings for the workers. These meetings provide bogus information, (similar to your editorial claiming that 70 percent favor secret ballot over card check.)

The objective is to confuse the workers into voting against themselves with misleading propaganda.

Having participated in over 50 elections across this country, I see the need for this legislation. If you would remove yourself from the Chamber of Commerce propaganda and talk to actual workers affected by this, you would too.

Richard K. Thomas

Martinez

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white_trash
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white_trash 11/26/08 - 06:38 am
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How can anyone be against

How can anyone be against secret ballot voting???

GACopperhead
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GACopperhead 11/26/08 - 07:42 am
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Unions are why the auto

Unions are why the auto companies are failing..at least part of it.

wizzardx1
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wizzardx1 11/26/08 - 08:16 am
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the reason these companies

the reason these companies are failing is 100"s of millions of dollars given to ceos as bonuses

pointstoponder
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pointstoponder 11/26/08 - 08:31 am
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Mr. Thomas, in case you may

Mr. Thomas, in case you may not have noticed, unions, and their consuming greed, are a substantial reason for the condition of our automobile industry and loss of millions of jobs to overseas in others. Union organizers are not for the worker. They need more members so they will not become workers.

SoonerorLater
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SoonerorLater 11/26/08 - 08:38 am
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I read an article yesterday

I read an article yesterday about "Job Banks" in the auto industry. The union has negotiated that its workers go to these "job banks" and hang out all day and read, play checkers, etc. and still recieve their full pay without doing any work at all (I assume when the assembly line is shut down due to too many cars made already). The union has negotiated that its workers still get their full pay, unless they decide to stay home and not show up, then they get 85% of their pay. No wonder the auto industry is going broke, unions are driving them into the ground. What employer would agree to paying workers for NOT WORKING? Unions have proven to be corrupt many times over, and have outlived their usefulness. With unions, the Big 3 will never be profitable and competitive with the likes of Honda, Toyota, and Nissan (not to mention their cars cannot compete with the imports either).

GnipGnop1
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GnipGnop1 11/26/08 - 09:15 am
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Let's not confuse the UAW

Let's not confuse the UAW with all unions. Not all locals are corrupt like the ones blasted in the news. Some still serve a valuable purpose. I don't think it should be fair to intimidate on either side. The worker always seem to get caught in between the employer and the union. We are but pawns struggling to feed our families, insure our children have money for college and enjoy a decent life. Please don't blame the worker for corporate and union greed.

ThatOne
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ThatOne 11/26/08 - 09:16 am
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I see unions as good and

I see unions as good and bad..If held to dealing with workplace issues they can be helpful, but most unions have become too powerful and obstructive to growth...They protect lazy, bad workers who should be fired, and their stewards think they are attorneys when they come to arbitration hearings or investigative interviews... A juggernaut union will run a company into bankruptcy....

GnipGnop1
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GnipGnop1 11/26/08 - 09:27 am
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That's a broad stereotype.

That's a broad stereotype. You cannot sit there and say "all" stewards. That would be like me saying "all" white people think blacks are sorry and lazy.

donnymack
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donnymack 11/26/08 - 09:36 am
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Ignorant anti union morons

Ignorant anti union morons

teharper428
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teharper428 11/26/08 - 10:00 am
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* Ninety-two percent of

* Ninety-two percent of private-sector employers, when faced with employees who want to join together in a union, force employees to attend closed-door meetings to hear anti-union propaganda; 80 percent require supervisors to attend training sessions on attacking unions; and 78 percent require that supervisors deliver anti-union messages to workers they oversee.
* Seventy-five percent hire outside consultants to run anti-union campaigns, often based on mass psychology and distorting the law. (Union busting is a $4mil/yr industry)
* Half of employers threaten to shut down partially or totally if employees join together in a union. (only 1% actually close)
* In 25 percent of organizing campaigns, private-sector employers illegally fire workers because they want to form a union.
* Even after workers successfully form a union, in one-third of the instances, employers do not negotiate a contract.

ForceTech
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ForceTech 11/26/08 - 10:21 am
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Unions were needed at the

Unions were needed at the time of their creation. Unions have done a lot to help workers in the United States, but they are no longer needed, and are currently only trying to keep their leaders in power and money, and anyone who believes otherwise needs to do more reading and see how much union leaders will give up to get their money first. And, the reason the unions want to drop secrets ballots are so they union thugs can force a second vote to go their way through intimidation.

teharper428
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teharper428 11/26/08 - 11:17 am
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why do you think the foreign

why do you think the foreign car companies in the US pay as well as they do? It's because they've had to compete with union scale. The average hourly wage for employees at a foreign car company is $24 compared to UAW hourly wage of $27 (as of 2007).
I recently read a great quote, "we can't "compete" with "third world" nations without treating workers like they live in one."

teharper428
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teharper428 11/26/08 - 11:27 am
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Force, what "second vote?"

Force, what "second vote?" The Employee Free Choice Act would have the card check procedure be the determination of the employee's authorizing a union to represent them. Every union organizing campaign begins with card check. It is a confidential authorization to be represented by a union. Currently the second step is to file the authorization cards with the NLRB and they set a date (anywhere from 30 to 90 days) for an election. It is during this time frame that the company intimidates the workers (92% of the time) by forcing them to attend anti-union meetings or the company hires union busters (78% of the time).
Card check is a confidential procedure with only a few core organizing committee members, no other employee or the employer know who has signed an authorization card.

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willistontownsc 11/26/08 - 11:40 am
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I have heard about the

I have heard about the Employee Free Choice Act and it is a good bill. Barring the passage of that, I would just suggest that companies move from right-to-work states to right-to-union states.

disssman
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disssman 11/26/08 - 11:55 am
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The reason so many people in

The reason so many people in the south live on hominy grits and rice is because they have been brain washed into believeing that the company will look out for their well being. Hog wash. The wages in the south are like the education statistics, dead last. When are you folks going to wake up and quit being jelous of workers that have made a brave stand? I still remember the sheriff and a company in Aiken SC a couple of years ago, trying to get a guy committed insane because he used the word UNION.

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patriciathomas 11/26/08 - 02:03 pm
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The "Employee Freedom of

The "Employee Freedom of Choice Act" has only one purpose....to remove the employee's freedom of choice. If the employer doesn't know how the employee votes, how can he pressure him to change his vote. If the union doesn't know how an employee votes, how can they know whose house to burn? The secret vote is the safe vote.

disssman
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disssman 11/26/08 - 05:33 pm
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Patricia its kinda like the

Patricia its kinda like the "right to work" that every body also forgets is a " right to fire " with no reason isn't it. Whu are you CONservativeS so afraid of UNIONS, after all the union is only putting on paper the verbal agreements between the company and the worker. I think it makes little difference if someone knows I voted or didn't. Unlike the CONservativeS, most dempcrats are proud of what they stand for and don't need secrecy.

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justthefacts 11/26/08 - 06:02 pm
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What is wrong with a right to

What is wrong with a right to fire? If someone is doing a poor job they should be fired. And even then, there has to be a process. Minorities and other protected classes are very difficult to fire. And your last statement is wrong and you know it. Everyone should have a right to privacy. I have nothing against unions. If I felt I wasn't able to take care of myself, I would look to join a union as well.

_SisterAbdullahX_
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_SisterAbdullahX_ 11/26/08 - 06:08 pm
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dissman...why are you so

dissman...why are you so afraid of an employer having a "right to fire?" They won't fire GOOD employees.

_SisterAbdullahX_
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_SisterAbdullahX_ 11/26/08 - 06:11 pm
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So privacy is important when

So privacy is important when you make overseas calls to a terrorist, but not when you vote? Makes sense.

_SisterAbdullahX_
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_SisterAbdullahX_ 11/26/08 - 06:16 pm
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When IBEW (International

When IBEW (International Brotherhood of Everybody that Works) tried to recruit myself and those I work with, the only thing they offered us that we didn't already have was a monthly due. I'm not afraid of unions, I just don't see how that was going to help me.

teharper428
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teharper428 11/26/08 - 06:33 pm
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The problem with "right to

The problem with "right to fire" is that a person can be fired for any reason. You could have a boss who just doesn't like your personality, you could be doing a wonderful job, but if he/she wants, you could be fired without cause.
In the late 90's I was the chief steward of my union local. I did not defend an employee who was habitually late or refused to do their job. I would be at their discipline hearing, but only to observe, not to defend. Before hand I would make it clear to the employee I was not going to speak on their behalf, if they had no defense to their behavior.

teharper428
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teharper428 11/26/08 - 06:41 pm
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Patricia, how does card check

Patricia, how does card check remove the employee's freedom of choice? They make the decision whether or not to sign an authorization card (card check) to be represented by a union? Apparently you do not understand the procedure. Read my post of 10:27 AM.

_SisterAbdullahX_
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_SisterAbdullahX_ 11/26/08 - 06:47 pm
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Again...what's wrong with

Again...what's wrong with "right to fire?" If an employer fires people for no reason, then that employer won't survive. Why shouldn't an employer have the right to fire for any reason they want? Oh I forgot..... We are a socialist country now...we don't support free markets.

_SisterAbdullahX_
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_SisterAbdullahX_ 11/26/08 - 06:50 pm
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So we support card checks for

So we support card checks for unions, but not ID's for voters? I'll never understand the hypocrisy of the left.

Tujeez
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Tujeez 11/26/08 - 08:01 pm
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SisterAbdullahX, The leftist

SisterAbdullahX, The leftist agenda has the "Whatever Works" Strategy that often leaves them "appearing" to be Hypocrits. Their agenda is to accomplish their objectives "By Any Means Necessary". Their Objectives are vaguely worded and clearly defined, though they may change at any time for whatever reason, to serve the purpose, that they were intended, unless their intentions become redirected, as the result of change.

_SisterAbdullahX_
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_SisterAbdullahX_ 11/26/08 - 08:12 pm
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Thanks...that sure cleared

Thanks...that sure cleared things up!

Tujeez
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Tujeez 11/26/08 - 08:42 pm
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Sister, if you will copy this

Sister, if you will copy this and paste it eveytime you confront a DEM, it will help your Blood-Pressure tremendously.

NotyourDadsBuick
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NotyourDadsBuick 11/26/08 - 11:36 pm
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I don't like unions, but I

I don't like unions, but I also don't like corporate executives who have driven companies into the ground more frequently than the unions have. Whatever happened to common f*^%&*g sense? I blame the baby boomers -- what a sorry lot they turned out to be, and now they are in the senior leadership positions of every organization in this country. No wonder this country has lost its moral compass. Until they all die out we're screwed.

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