Palin, presidential race, back on

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Sarah Palin couldn't have singlehandedly won the election for John McCain.

But the embattled Alaska governor might have lost it for him with a poor showing in the vice presidential debate Thursday night.

Instead, Palin more than held her own against a three-decade member of the U.S. Senate, Joe Biden -- astounding (disappointing?) some in the national media that she didn't follow the narrative they'd drawn for her as a car wreck waiting to happen.

Her strong performance will re-energize McCain supporters for the final month of campaigning. And while the vice-presidential debate may not be a game-changer, it will likely stall Democrat Barack Obama's recent momentum. And that's all McCain could've asked.

To be sure, Biden won the debate narrowly on points. He was sure-footed and forceful in his defense of Barack Obama and his attacks on John McCain. Palin was a bit more stilted, staying on prearranged talking points at times she should've issued a passionate rebuke or defense of McCain.

Example: Biden took issue with McCain's "maverick" image, saying flat-out he isn't one. The objective truth is that McCain is his own man, having teamed up with some of the most liberal members of Congress on campaign finance, immigration and other issues, to the consternation of many in his own party. Why Palin didn't point that out is beyond us.

And when Biden tried to sell the canard that he didn't vote for the Iraq war, Palin should've mopped the floor with him.

We wonder how many misstatements Biden made about McCain's record and Obama's votes and pronouncements. Sorry, Joe, but Mr. Obama did say he'd meet with the world's wackiest dictators without preconditions. And, as much as Biden wanted to spin it, he and Obama were flat-out wrong about the surge in Iraq -- and if they'd prevailed in Congress, the United States would've lost this war.

And when Biden tried to equate McCain's and Obama's votes on funding the troops -- well, there just is no comparison. McCain objected to a precipitous pullout, while Obama wanted to starve the war effort of funds while our troops were in harm's way. Palin inexplicably let it pass.

Someone also needed to tell Palin that one of a debater's most devastating devices is pointed humor. For instance, she could have etched out a "there you go again" moment if, faced with Biden's factual errors, she would have congratulated him for reducing unemployment by putting so many fact-checkers to work the next morning.

Regardless, if Biden won the points, it's likely Palin won the people. She managed to point out Biden's slippery Potomac-speak, while she sounded like one of us.

You know, every four years, someone runs for the White House as a Washington "outsider." They hardly ever are. Sarah Palin is.

As we noted after Obama's strong showing against McCain a week before, sometimes you can win a debate by not losing it. While Palin couldn't win the election for McCain, she might have saved his opportunity to win it himself by not losing it herself.

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spotted_assassin
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spotted_assassin 10/03/08 - 07:12 pm
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WOW...it still amazes me that

WOW...it still amazes me that Republicans are willing to back this ticket!!! Just because Palin barely slid through the debate, you claim the "Race is on?" Kinda like praising a 'D' student for not failing a test!

(No offense) but a P.O.W. and a inexperienced governor? C'mon.
John McCain has probably seen and experienced many gruesome things while being held captive. Things that many P.O.W.'s today still have problems dealing with from time to time. I commend them for what they sacrificed, but I wouldn't want one as POTUS because of the untold issues he might have!
And as for Palin...it's like one of those comedy movies where an average citizen is taken off the street and put into office. The citizen thinks that he/she is making all the decisions, but is really being told what to say! WELL THIS ISN'T A MOVIE!!!

I don't think a puppet as second banana is all that appealing either.

The GOP ticket IS a JOKE, and it McCain/Palin wins, then the joke is on all of us!

RonRoberts
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RonRoberts 10/03/08 - 08:51 pm
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Wow, THAT performance

Wow, THAT performance warranted THIS assessment? Did the Chronicle editorial page editor miss the part of the debate where Palin CONTINUALLY mis-construed Gen. McKiernan's views on a "surge-style" tactic in Afghanistan, oh AND kept calling him "General McClellan? Did the Chronicle editorial board have a cable TV outage at the moment Palin fumbled through an incoherent rambling when "trying" to take part in the discussion about subprime mortgages? Were you, then, warmed at your cockles, when she winked at the screen, or set her "there you go, again, Joe" zinger by, at first, with the microphones on, askng politely if she could call him 'Joe' shortly before the debate began? This newspaper's right-wing tendencies are obvious to anyone who bothers to notice, but what's even more galling is when this newspaper deems it necessary to write such a worthless piece of spin for a candidate not worthy of its support and effort. "Sounding like one of us" isn't a skill I want in the office of Vice President (or President, either for that matter); look where that lead us the LAST eight years. I want LEADERSHIP that I'm confident in more than candidates who have better zingers.

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sadtohear 10/03/08 - 09:08 pm
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her rehersal apparently went

her rehersal apparently went great 69.9 million viewers. I betcha over half of them caught the bull crap and just in case for those who don't understand she bs with the ed on it. It was obvious that when she didn't know the answer she converted back to a rehersed answer to energy, and ain't mad at cha, she did Ok but, as far as am concerned she help Palin for the next presidential election one election to late maybe two

ThatOne
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ThatOne 10/03/08 - 10:24 pm
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"You're darn right", "you

"You're darn right", "you betcha" , wink wink, "I'd like to give a shout out", " say it ain't so Joe" wink wink...Listening to her speak and watching her demeanor truly inspired me....I woke up this morning and asked myself why aren't I running for president?

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ldsmith1 10/04/08 - 12:02 am
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Palin did a great job. Joe

Palin did a great job. Joe was smooth, but he seems to think that saying something well and saying it repeatedly makes it a fact. From the posts above, it seems he's convinced a few others of that as well. He was off the mark more than a few times. The beauty of our system is that we are not ruled by a dictator or a monarchy, but that citizens (even average ones) do have a voice in governement and the opportunity to become great leaders.

ldsmith1
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ldsmith1 10/04/08 - 12:03 am
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Palin got the General's name

Palin got the General's name wrong, and later apologized. However, we musn't forget that Biden told a wheelchair bound man to stand up and claimed that FDR gave a televised speech as President in '29.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 10/04/08 - 12:12 am
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Palin's performance was not a

Palin's performance was not a game changer for the flagging McCain campaign. Sarah Palin's folky vacuousness wears thin and becomes more transparent over time. I predict that not only will the McCain / Palin ticket lose by a wide margin, Governor Palin will also be a one term governor. Her future lies on the speakers' circuit in appearances before religious right / evangelical groups and NRA gun nuts. McCain showed poor judgment in picking Palin. Either Romney or Huckabee would have helped him. The ingenue Sarah Palin only shores up the far right Republican base, and that isn't enough to carry the election IMO.

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sjgraci 10/04/08 - 12:31 am
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The Chronicle is delusional

The Chronicle is delusional or just playing to the disheartened right wing base to suggest that the "race is back on" and the "ball is McCain's court". The bar was so low that she would have loked good as long as she didn't run screaming hysterically from the stage. I'm glad she finally managed to put a bandade on that huge wound she has opened. The bleeding heart liberal in me was starting to feel sorry for her and her stupid remarks. But, lets be clear, she still failed to prove that she is Presidential material especially with her canned non-answers. Biden was the clear winner and proved that he is ready to be Presidfent if needed and the country knows it. The damage has been done and spitting out a few coherent sentances on stage will not change that. Expect the ridicule and late night fun to continue. She is worse than Quail. All of the post debate polls show Biden was the clear winner. Even the Chronicle's own poll shows nearly 4,000 people thought Biden won (88%) compared to Palin's 500 (11%). That is simply amazing! HAHAHA Take that Freepers!

ThatOne
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ThatOne 10/04/08 - 12:38 am
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Idsmith: You are right she

Idsmith: You are right she did do a great job of avoiding depth...She didn't fumble so she did good...If you enjoy tabloid tv and cynicism you betcha she can deliver...Seems the McCain /Palin ticket is doing the same thing they accused Obama of doing which is giving lofty dream speeches without a plan...Funny how things come full circle...As far as Biden telling a wheelchair bound man to stand up what's wrong with that? I believe in miracles, and maybe so does Sen. Biden...He is Catholic you know.

Nammy
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Nammy 10/04/08 - 01:13 am
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[filtered word]???---------- Posted by

[filtered word]???----------
Posted by spotted_assassin on Fri Oct 3, 2008 8:12 PM
Posted by RonRoberts on Fri Oct 3, 2008 9:51 PM
Posted by sadtohear on Fri Oct 3, 2008 10:08 PM
Posted by atlsfinest on Fri Oct 3, 2008 11:24 PM
Posted by ldsmith on Sat Oct 4, 2008 1:02 AM-----How did you post these posts while this article wasn't posted until 10.4.08???

DrGunby68
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DrGunby68 10/04/08 - 01:41 am
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Hey Mas, the ACES put these

Hey Mas, the ACES put these up before midnight sometimes...think a bit...

msitua
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msitua 10/04/08 - 03:00 am
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doubt this changed anything.

doubt this changed anything. In the end, people don't vote for VP-they still vote for the Presidential candidates. The fact that Palin's appearance won the hearts of Americans, as you state, says an awful lot about Americans and that is what is really scary.

GACopperhead
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GACopperhead 10/04/08 - 04:57 am
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Has anyone ever heard of the

Has anyone ever heard of the Peter Principle? Promote someone to their highest level of incompetence, It'll be renamed to the Palin Principle.

SisterAbdullahX_
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SisterAbdullahX_ 10/04/08 - 05:51 am
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Quote from

Quote from JohnRandolphHardisonCain. "I'm not thanking any soldiers for their role in the unnecessary, unjust, immoral, illegal, unwinnable U.S. war of aggression in Iraq. Their role in this has endangered my freedoms not protected them. So I euphemistically say "[filtered word] the U.S. soldiers serving in Iraq."" After he said that, I don't think this despicable person has much credibility left. It is funny though when Obama can't get through an unscripted debate without stuttering, his supporters just say he was putting a lot of thought into his answers. As I mentioned before.....there are supporters of Obama that would support him even if they saw him eating children.

SisterAbdullahX_
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SisterAbdullahX_ 10/04/08 - 06:32 am
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Sigraci....Obama has failed

Sigraci....Obama has failed to prove he is Presidential material with his canned non-answers and "present" votes....when he actually IS present.

truthteller
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truthteller 10/04/08 - 06:38 am
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What a bizarre editorial.

What a bizarre editorial. Every poll I've seen, including the Chronicle's own, shows Biden winning the debate hands down. And for good reasons. He answered the questions that were asked, understood the issues, and was very knowledgeable. Palin just responded with her pre-packaged talking points regardless of what questions were asked. Then there were the catch phrases and winks to the audience. Too cute by a half. Frankly, I don't want a Vice President or President who is just like one of us. I want someone who is smarter and shows better judgement.

SisterAbdullahX_
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SisterAbdullahX_ 10/04/08 - 06:42 am
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I don't want a Vice President

I don't want a Vice President who thinks Socialistic Redistrubution of wealth is just called "fair" where he comes from.

JesusIsComing
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JesusIsComing 10/04/08 - 06:54 am
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Governor Palin's debate

Governor Palin's debate performance was absolutely brilliant! After a few months in the national spotlight she effectively debated a 36 year veteran of Washington politics! The idiosyncracies that irritate the far left (her folksiness, humor, winks, etc.) are the endearing traits of normal Americans. Davy Crockett was not a polished speaker when he was elected Copngressman for Tennessee - but he was a man of the times, close to the people, and had the common sense to help run a country. We do not need another politician who has jumped through all the right hoops that the left or right think she should have. We need someone who knows what it is like to raise a family without nannies, live on a budget, work a real job, face real life adversities, triumph through it all with the help of Almighty God, and be unashamed of where she came from, Who she worships, what she has done, and where she is going. Sarah Palin has energized the McCain ticket when it sorely needed it. Let me be the first to congratulate her as Mrs. Vice President.

christian134
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christian134 10/04/08 - 06:57 am
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Gov. Palin has the right

Gov. Palin has the right "stuff" to get the job done as a running partner for McCain...She is an intelligent woman who doesn't have to rely on the kindness of the media as well as persons of dubious character in order to achieve her goals for her state and well as this nation....Unlike Obama who has three ex-CEO's of the Fannie Mae who were relieved of their duties due to "irregularities"...Where are these three now?....Franklin Raines as well as Tim Howard are both now the Chief Economic Advisers for the Obama campaign while Jim Johnson now holds the position Senior Financial Advisor and the head of the V.P. Search Committee...If Obama plans on cleaning up the mess; it seems he has the right men with the right expertise to handle the job....After all they made the mess in the first place...It is beyond me why the media has all but glossed over these little facts but seem bent on destroying Gov. Palin...Shouldn't you folks who are following Obama/Biden blindly, shouldn't you care at all that these men are close friends and associates of Obama...If these men were associates of either McCain or Palin one could place a bet McCain/Palin would be under investigation big time...

HYPOCRITES 08
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HYPOCRITES 08 10/04/08 - 06:59 am
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The headline alone is enough

The headline alone is enough to make me laugh. I guess you have to give each other hope.

angiesdad
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angiesdad 10/04/08 - 07:01 am
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sister, what you folks don't

sister, what you folks don't seem to understand is you're being lied to here.rummy,cheney,woolfowitz, and others have been trying to get into iraq way before 03.there is a written letter from them to clinton in 1997 begging him to attack iraq and preserve our vital interests which is oil.these guys make huge profits from oil.they knew gore wouldn't go along so they stole the 2000 election from gore when james baker persuaded 5 unsupreme court justices to stop the fl recounts.later when scumbag scalia was asked about this he acted like he couldn't remember.you can tell when a [filtered word]is lying.ask any of those 5 to take a polygraph and they would die on the spot.doesn't matter if it can't be used, it proves you are a liar.in griffins book it explains that 911 was used as a new pearl harbor.get the folks riled up and go to war.tell me what a 145,000 soldiers are doing in iraq this morning? seen any pictures lately?who is receiving the profits from the iraqi oil since 03?iraq? then why is there still barely any electricity,and the people still impovershed?explain also why on 911 there were only 4 attacks?if iwas going to attack a major power i would have had a blitzkrieg plan.why no more

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effete elitist liberal 10/04/08 - 07:08 am
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The AC editorialist asked

The AC editorialist asked repeatedly why Governor Palin didn't challenge statements by Senator Biden which the Chronicle believes were not true.
The AC misses the obvious point: Palin didn't challenge Biden because she didn't know enough to catch whether factual claims by her opponent were true or not. THAT'S EXACTLY THE POINT!!! Palin only "knew" what her handlers had been able to stuff her with in the days leading up to the debate. In so little time, there was only so much they could jam into the immense void between Sarah Palin's ears. She came across as a perky parrot. As one nationally syndicated columnist wrote of Palin: Of course her words don't mean anything...she's all punctuation!

angiesdad
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angiesdad 10/04/08 - 07:17 am
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cont'd attacks?we're no safer

cont'd attacks?we're no safer than we were on 911? studies show we're more vulnerable.we have millions of folks walking around and don't have a clue who they are.there have been no more attacks because the mission was completed.notice woolfowitz,bremer, and crew were the first to visit.this war as was the vietnam war was a fraud.it's all about money that you'll never receive,but your kids and neighbors will die for these scumbags.keep supporting these republicans and if you have plenty of money to invest, you can get rich like them to,just keep the wars rolling!palin is a lapdog,and they love her because the power boys know she is as stupid as bush.that's why he was sitting in a classroom in fl looking like a little retard as cheney ran 911 from the whitehouse.wait a second! the vp works for the president,why wasn't cheney in the classroom?that's his job.it's not the vps job to tell the prez when he can come back to washington either.the secret service handles that.i'm so glad that i'm not as stupid as you guys,the power boys love you folks,you're so easy to manipulate.

JesusIsComing
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JesusIsComing 10/04/08 - 07:18 am
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Lefties, Why are you so

Lefties, Why are you so concerned with this woman? If she is such a dunce, be happy and let the Republicans go down in flames! If she is such a drag on the ticket, it means your guy is winning! Be silent - let the Republican party self-destruct. The only reason I can think of that you leftists are so concerned is . . . dare I say it? Governor Palin is actually good for the ticket? Could that be the reason for your rantings against her? Why would you give the Republicans a heads up on this "obvious" mistake?

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 10/04/08 - 07:22 am
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Good, the left is still

Good, the left is still terrified of this competent and experienced woman. I love the panic spin still being repeated endlessly. Will control of the press be enough to put the marxist into office over the obvious superior choice? We'll have to wait and see. In the mean time, I enjoy watching the left squirm in such discomfort, while justifying the endless gaffs and numerous "misstatement of facts" by Biden.

GACopperhead
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GACopperhead 10/04/08 - 07:33 am
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PT, factchecking has shown

PT, factchecking has shown that Biden and Palin made about the same number of misstatements. Doesn't that matter to you? I listened to an interview the other day, of a psychologist whose study showed that people tend to only hear what they agreed with. They also only sought out sources that they anticipated would show news or opinions that they would agree with. I disagree with the Palin/McCain platform, but have to say that the VP debate was the most informative, concise presentation of either candidate's intended policies. I applaud the performance of both of the VP picks for this debate. I still can't get over the look on Biden's face when Palin missed the General's name. It really was priceless.

randon
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randon 10/04/08 - 07:34 am
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Did these people watch the

Did these people watch the same debate that everyone else watched? Palin doesn't know enough to challenge anybody on anything! Biden did what he had to do--state his case and avoid any attacks on Palin, thus avoiding being charged with sexism or condescension. Obviously, there were many attacks he could have made. And, no, the race is probably not back on; this morning's news and polls state that McCain has fallen even further behind and that Obama has pretty much "locked up" 264 electoral votes, which means he only needs six more. McCain would have to win EVERY remaining battleground state, and he is currently trailing in most of these states. Look for the "swiftboat" ads to start any day now, which will require Obama to counter with the Keating Five ads.

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owensjef2 10/04/08 - 07:34 am
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I am trying my best to be

I am trying my best to be fair, and I just don't get this love for Sarah Palin to be a key leader in this country. Michelle Obama and Cindy McCain seem much more qualified.

disssman
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disssman 10/04/08 - 07:35 am
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God please let these two win

God please let these two win so that these idiots I live by can be satisfied. I look forward to the day that they are elected, Johns cancer forces him from office, and Sarah becomes the Commander in Chief of the military and sends your children to war. I say "your" children because such a idiot will never command mine!!!

owensjef2
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owensjef2 10/04/08 - 07:39 am
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Pat you are right we are in a

Pat you are right we are in a panic over Sarah Palin, but it is of a different nature than her being competent .

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