Local officials revisit canal on Ellis Street, trolley ideas

  • Follow Metro

A year ago, Commissioner Andy Cheek shared his vision for turning Ellis Street into a canal and Augusta into a tourist mecca. That faded, and this year's remedy for downtown decay is a trolley.

Mr. Cheek couldn't muster enough votes on the Augusta Commission to pursue his dream via a feasibility study, but the Downtown Development Authority got the green light to go forward with a $37,000 trolley feasibility study, which Mr. Cheek called "a very clear-cut demonstration of the wisdom of the leadership of Augusta for looking into a trolley system that in every city that has one is subsidized from that city's general fund and ignoring a proven economic engine in the proposed Ellis Street option."

Mr. Cheek said the trolley will cost taxpayers as much as or more than the canal.

"Traffic Engineer Steve Cassell projected the cost of the Ellis Street project 10 years from now, and that made it look like it would cost $300 million instead of the $150 million ballpark figure we were looking at," he said. "This was done to make it look un-doable."

Mr. Cheek has continued to work on cleaning up the third level of the Augusta Canal and Aqueduct Park, which is what many folks say Augusta should improve as a tourist draw, rather than create a canal down Ellis Street.

Today, it's hard to find anyone else with a good word to say for the canal idea, and many, including Augusta real-estate broker Bernie Johnson, think a trolley is equally unrealistic.

"A canal is the craziest thing I've ever heard about," he said. "It would cost too much money to do. If they want to do something with the canal, let them improve the canal we already have."

And a trolley would be too expensive and "ridiculous," Mr. Johnson said.

"The taxpayers in this county are already getting crucified," he said. "We don't need a trolley. And we don't need a canal down Ellis Street."

Augusta resident Barbara Hale said a canal would be a waste of money.

"And to continue with this thing on a trolley?" she said, dismissing the idea. "When I was a child I used to ride on a trolley in Augusta. We needed it. We don't need it now."

Commissioner Joe Bowles said both projects are too expensive.

"If people need to get from the medical center to Broad Street, maybe they could walk and get a little exercise," he said. "After all, we're one of the fattest nations in the world."

Commissioner Jerry Brigham called the canal an "interesting proposal" but too impractical, and he's not a big fan of a trolley.

"I think that's going to be an expensive process," he said. "I don't see the funding coming. We can't seem to run our transit system. I'd rather see us improve service there. I don't know how a trolley is going to be paid for. It can't be paid for out of the general fund, and I don't see another revenue source."

Commissioner Calvin Holland agreed that a canal would be too expensive but thinks a trolley would enhance the city.

"I would prefer seeing the trolley because in other cities you go into, the transportation is much easier," he said. "It's much more conducive to the communities and much more conducive for the people in those different cities. So I'm more in favor of the trolleys right now, more so than that canal."

Reach Sylvia Cooper at (706) 823-3228 or sylvia.cooper@augustachronicle.com.

WHAT OTHERS ARE SAYING

"Personally, I think the trolley's got a better shot. There's a lot of information coming forth. There's studies being made, and from my perspective, the trolley's got a pretty good shot."

-- Augusta Commissioner J.R. Hatney

"I think the trolley would be a 100 percent blessing to Augusta. It would move people from one end to another. When we have problems with the parking and stuff, we can move them around with a trolley. And all the businesses will survive off of that, from building to building, from Broad Street to the hospital."

-- Coliseum Authority member Harry Moore

"I think the trolley idea is a good one. That idea about the canal running down Ellis Street was totally impractical, and how that didn't get shelved in five minutes, I don't know. I mean, that was just an idiotic idea. But the trolley idea, I think, might have some possibilities if you confine it to the local area."

-- Augusta attorney Paul Dunbar

"It's not a good financial move. Not at this time. Trolleys are beautiful, but how many people downtown would actually use a trolley? Maybe for a short time when the idea is new."

-- Coliseum Authority member Mildred McDaniel

"I don't like either one of them. It's too much money. We've got a whole lot more problems to face right now than whether we've got water or a trolley downtown."

-- Former Commissioner Roy Reardon

"I don't think a canal would work. Trolleys would probably be helpful if they ran on electricity, but a canal down Ellis Street -- I don't like that idea."

-- Langdon Atkins, retired chief probation officer for the Augusta Judicial Circuit

Comments

As It Is

Both ideas along with the studies are a complete waist of taxpayers time and money. The only way to even consider spending between 150-300 million dollars on either project would be to be a politician who is spending other peoples money. No one in their right mind and certainly no business person would even consider such an idea. Our county has "real" problems that we can seem to find the funding for and yet we consider this stupidity. Either of these projects would be a complete waste of money and would both end up mismanaged just like every other crazy idea that arises from the golf gardens to the current transit system. Millions of tax dollars thrown down the drain as you continue to raise our taxes. And yes, taxes from the state and feds are also our taxes and using them for silly ideas such as these are a disgrace. Lets solve our public safety issues, cleanliness of the city, improve our current canal, fill our current stadium before discussing a new one, fill our civic center before discussing a new one, etc. and fund our police to fill the 45 vacant positions where we might could walk down the streets at night again.

patriciathomas

If the commission was interested in a practical way to stop downtown decay, it would go to the property owners of the undeveloped and dilapidated buildings on Reynolds, Jones, Broad, Ellis and Green streets and threaten them with the eminent domain club. Either repair and develop your property or sell it to someone that will, for the good of the city. Ban downtown shabbiness. Take positive steps toward doing away with it.

ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts

Why not complete the riverfront development and make that the draw. Come on Augusta, finish what you started. No trolley, no canal no ballpark. Make what you have safe, affordable and accessible to all and they will come. And don't forget to make parking in that!

jackfruitpaper833

Andy just tried to go out with a BANG, the canal mess is a mess just like the trolley and stadium. We need some high rise buildings down there>

christian134

While your at it Augusta hire more police and try paying them what they deserve...In doing so you might just keep a few of them and increase the draw of families into the area and that of course means money for the business's which in turn produces growth...

mreverything

This city can find so many unnecessary ways to spend money it is pathetic. While I am all for drawing in tourism which brings in revenue, why dont we just perfect what we already have to maximize the money that we have already spent over the years.

Brad Owens

They are spending $37,000 on another study!?!?! This is almost a criminal waste of tax dollars. I would like to know from where this $37,000 is coming from and who apporved this assine expenditure. This is the type of thing I once fought when I was on the DAP and DDA. The DDA has not created one job outside of the DDA. It is a waste of tax dollars and needs to be defunded. Show me one thing, other than the James Brown statue, that the DDA has done that inproves downtown? They ruined First Friday by mismanagment and then fought to keep it from the GAAC. Now the GAAC is rebuilding FF and having amazing results. They spent tax dollars on properties the DDA Board members had interests in, but none on anyone else until pushed by ME. This is a sham and should be fought. I supported the canal study because the study of what is under Ellis needs to be done and has multiple ways it can be used but this trolley non-sense is just complete BS. Just another 'bright'dea that allows the DDA to spend money and make it LOOK like they are doing something to justify the $150,000 a year they get in general funds of ours. How about $37,000 worth of repairs on the public sidewalks downtown instead? BS.

karmakills123

Trolleys !!!! You guys can't fix and collect fares on city buses!!! So what are you going to do with trolleys??? And yes Mr. Mayor this topic will be addressed until you do something about the scamming of Augusta;s taxpayers !!

No_Longer_Amazed

I am so tired of reading and commenting on how A-RC finds ways to always waste taxpayers money. Reading all the negative comments in the article and seeing how inefficient the local government is in managing what we already have, how can they have the gall to continue with any of this?

Captain Awesome

I was thinking the Trolley would be a good idea. Our downtown is a giant strip. This could help get people to the other side. Trolleys have done very well wherever they have been placed recently.

San Francisco is only getting rid of theirs because they now have a full rail system.

asustudent75

I cant believe that you are comparing Augusta, or shall I say Disgusta, with San Francisco! This is just a stop over town, not a mecca for tourism or industry!! Augusta will NEVER be anything more, especially with who we have running the place.

Unbelievable

Okay, just give me 20k and I will do the feasibility study. I can get it to you by this afternoon.

ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts

Will you take 2 dozen doughnuts and a Blizzard?

Tell it like it is

Here we go again, spend more taxpayers money that we never have enough of on useless ideas.
Raise all the taxes, school board taxes, do away with all exemptions so they will have more money to throw away.
What a bunch of nuts we have elected as caretakers of our tax money.

ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts

Are those Nuts Salted or Plain?

getalife

If this city can't run a bus transit without losing money how could they ever hope to make money with a trolley line? I don't think there is anything to see in downtown Augusta. Maybe those that work downtown would use the trolley, but with the trains running through town how could anyone depend on the trolley to get them back to work on time. Another stupid idea, the powers-to-be need to concentrate on the current problems of not enough law enforcement, crime downtown, pay law enforcement more, stop free riders on the transit, and to stop adding more things for the taxpayers to support.

Captain Awesome

It's just interesting that nobody wants to look at what Trolleys have done in other towns (like Little Rock) or matching federal grants will make half the payments.

People keep saying that Augusta won't amount to anything, but the same thing was said of Chattanooga and Greenville and they are now both beautiful.

Also, most transportation systems do cost tax money. But they give back by allowing more people jobs (by getting them there) and so raise the tax base and lower the crime rate.

paulwheeler

I thought Andy Cheek was gone, but I guess he's like mold and mildew, you can never get rid of him.
More stupidity and waste. Make a canal? You can't even drive on downtown streets without damaging the suspension of your vehicle, and we still entertain to this idiotic plan for a canal?

patriciathomas

Captain Awesome, Augusta is invested DEEPLY in the government subsidized. This doesn't only take federal taxes, but state and local also. It also reflects on the amount of community effort toward and against change. Until this major problem is addressed, we're taking steps out of order. The "cart before the horse" technique will continue to fail.

ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts

Instead of a trolley use the current transit system in the same manner. Also some of the buses could be used to transport people around a Historic Augusta Tour, that is being proposed!
Finish Riverwalk and promote it, make it safe with secure parking, not Paid Parking. Create a parking garage and use the transit service to shuttle people from the parking garage to along Broad Street and the Riverwalk. Take what you have and make it better. Build the basics with what you have and the rest will follow!

ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts

Ok who wants the soapbox next?

RockyMayer

CBBP- 6:38 - Here Hear.

ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts

Federal and State Grants are drying up faster than Clarks Hill Lake. Captain Awesome I want to live in your world!

i.b.e.w..electric

this city needs improvment ,im all for the canal ,the trolley and the downtown stadium ,plus riverwalk needs to be another river street.augusta is stagnant and it needs improvments such as this to be able to grow.we spend alot of money every masters week wooing corp executives by showing off augusta with the buss tours ,folks this aint working.we need to lure companies into our area and this is only gonna happen by spending the money to improve and beautify augusta.the old attage rings true,you have to spend money to make money.

ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts

You are right IBEW but finish the projects already started and revitalize the ones you have. Use the resources you have before spending money you don't have and won't be able to get. If you spend judiciously and wisely you can make things grow, if you just throw money at it someone will take advantage of it and maintain the status quo! Riverwalk could be made into Riverstreet and be very successful if the powers that be got behind it correctly!

jack

Instead of tearing up the streets for a trolly I suggest you re-pave the streets in down town Augusta that ride like an old bumpy dirt road of yesteryear. Just drive from 13th street to 15th street on Jones or Ellis to see what I mean. Too many sites dug up and not properly repaired. BTW, glad I moved to N Augusta where we have people on the commission without hair brained ideas and keepour roads properly repaired and city clean with less property taxes.

disssman

Trolleys were used in downtown Augusta when that was the only shopping area available and it wasn't just downtown. As I understand the trolley went into neighborhoods and over into S.C. so people could have a way to go shopping. I am waiting for the commissioners to publish (not tell me what they read) the results of the direly needed $37,000 study on the city web site, so I can judge for myself how accurate the info is. I can't believe they have such tunnel vision that they can't see how the economy is going. Their thinking obviously is that people in Columbia will be flocking here with the kids to ride the trolley. I just wonder how many times people will load the kids for that trip before they realize that the kids don't like it. Like I said I am waiting for the study results to be posted with ALL the data. I find it funny I haven't seen anything in the paper soliciting bids to do the study, could it be we have a good-old-boy that does that kind of work?

egan

If you are going to build a trolley run it down the canal all the way to the head gates. Commuters could use it to work and shop downtown.

bigjimjhonstowns

stupid is as stupid does.

Top headlines

Michaux: Tiger-Phil duel whets Masters appetite

For all the intrigue generated by some fresh faces in golf the last couple of years, nothing injects life into a season like an old-fashioned Tiger-Phil duel.
Online Database by Caspio
Click here to load this Caspio Online Database.
Loading...