Blacks fought for Confederacy, too

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Regarding Joe Beck's letter on the Confederate flag ("So, should we fly the Nazi flag too?" Aug. 4): Beck claims, "Flying the Confederate flag is shameful." Let me introduce him to some Confederate soldiers: Monroe Gooch, 45th Tennessee Infantry (cook), James Newcom, 1st North Carolina Battalion (infantryman), and Charles Benger, 2nd Georgia Battalion (musician).

They served the Confederate Army in various aspects, with pots and pans to feed soldiers; shooting the enemy to protect their homeland; and playing instruments to keep the soldiers in cadence. They were no different than any other soldier performing these same duties, except these Southern soldiers were black Confederates.

I am a life member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. Our organization is dedicated to honoring and preserving the memory of Confederate soldiers. I recently attended the 113th National Reunion of the Sons of Confederate Veterans in Concord, N.C. Besides the normal business of elections, bylaws and such was the presentation of Weary Clyburn's family, to a standing ovation. They were accompanied by a Confederate honor guard and the playing of Dixie. The daughter of Weary Clyburn, 87-year-old Mattie Clyburn Rice, was unable to attend because of illness.

Weary Clyburn was born about 1841, as a slave on the plantation of Thomas Clyburn in Lancaster County, S.C. Thomas had a son, Frank, who joined what would become Company E of the 12th South Carolina Volunteers. Soon, Weary escaped the plantation and joined Frank as his bodyguard. Twice, Weary saved Frank's life. Frank was wounded in a battle near Charleston, S.C., and later during fighting near Petersburg, Va. Both times, Weary carried his master off the field under fire. After the reunion, a marker dedication was held at the grave of Weary Clyburn to honor his service to the Confederacy by placing a Confederate VA marker on his unmarked grave.

The NAACP should learn to practice what it preaches, and Beck should learn not to dishonor the memory of such great men as Weary Clyburn, a Confederate veteran.

Lee Herron

Edgefield, S.C.

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christian134
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christian134 08/12/08 - 05:55 am
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Many thanks, Lee Herron, for

Many thanks, Lee Herron, for your continued patriotism and honoring of all the Sons of the Confederacy...People are people and as such there are no divides when it comes to defending one's home...These people were brave men and women who had something to fight for, not only their homes but they fought for equality...Not the same with many of the blacks today who just want more of something for nothing...This statement is not indicative of all blacks but a goodly portion who stir the racism pot..This wanting more for less work has no race..But I digress, NAACP, we are a nation in trouble so therefore you deem it of utmost importance to moan and groan about a flag instead of supporting this nation as a whole united under one flag and one people...If this is all your after, which it is obvious to a blind man, then have the decency to die and stay buried...

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JamesWking 08/12/08 - 08:27 am
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The Confederate States of

The Confederate States of America constitutionally, legally, and honorably seceded from the union with the United States of America and were promptly invaded. They responded to Yankee aggression and were forced to fight a four-year war for the cause of achieving Southern Independence. Many parallels exist between the American Revolution of 1775-1783 and the Southern revolution of 1861-1865. No Confederate, including president Jefferson Davis, was ever tried for treason because four legal teams told the U.S. officials that secession was legal and they would be found "not guilty".
The real traitors were Lincoln and the Northern radicals. It was they that violated the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. At the outbreak of the War For Southern Independence (Civil War) some Southerners wanted to keep the U.S. flag "The Stars and Stripes". They said " Let the Yankees get another flag-it was they that violated the Constitution not us".

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justus4 08/12/08 - 08:28 am
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The letter writer is an
Unpublished

The letter writer is an ignorant bigot thats using military service of African-Americans during the Civil War to demonstrate what he think is a credible argument. Ha! It doesn't work idiot! Those fighting blacks exemplified honor and were a testiment to the human spirit, because their country HATED them! They fought for INDIVIDUAL freedom, not COLLECTIVE freedom. So blacks fought for their freedom, while whites were fighting for collective freedom to own humans. However, the blacks didn't know the plan, so they were mislead and tricked. (The evidence is the treatment of blacks post-war i.e. segregation, Jim Crow) So, where is the love the idiot writer speaks? There was none. Examples of ex-slaves associated with Confederate units is a red herring (for intellectuals) and a typical southern racist, uneducated idiot's attempt to continue flying a disgraced flag. Again, the writer is an idiot with an outdated view and probably says, "the war was not about the institution of slavery." Ha!

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JamesWking 08/12/08 - 08:30 am
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TREASON ?The Confederate

TREASON ?The Confederate States of America did not attempt to overthrow the government of the United States of America. The CSA was no more interested in overthrowing Washington DC in 1861-65 than George Washington was in overthrowing England in 1775-83. The CSA constitutionally, legally, and honorably seceded from the Union with the USA and formed a new nation just as America seceded from England. In both cases the seceding nation was promptly invaded. Treason? At the end of the Civil War U.S. officials made plans to try and convict former Confederate President Jefferson Davis for treason. Four U.S. legal teams looked at the case and told the U.S. officials that secession was legal and that Davis would be found not guilty. U.S. Supreme Court Justice Chase confirmed that secession was legal and that it would be a mistake to try to convict Davis or any former Confederate. The USA had conducted an unconstitutional and criminal war and had won and a trial would expose that fact. Lincoln acted with deceit in the Fort Sumter incident. The USA was the aggressor. Yes the CSA fired the first shot but it was in response to an act of war that was already being carried out by the USA.

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JamesWking 08/12/08 - 08:43 am
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The Confederate flag is 180

The Confederate flag is 180 degrees diametrically opposed to Globalism, Socialism and Secular humanism. That is the real reason globalists, socialists, and atheists want to ban it. The infamous Communist Vladmir Lenin coined the term "Useful Idiots". The Socialist Karl Marx stated "People separated from their heritage are easily persuaded". Many Black Americans and White Liberals who are opposed to the Confederate flag have been indoctrinated by those who would convert America to Total Socialism and Secular Humanism. They have been told that the Confederate flag represents a painful reminder of slavery, racism and bigotry and that they should be offended by it. They are being played like puppets on a string and used as "useful idiots" as defined by Lenin. Justus4 is a textbook example of a "useful idiot" and apparently does not have a clue. The dishonest Yankee historians have written "so called" American history in a highly biased manner with the intent of deceiving people like iustus4 to drive a wedge between white and black Southerners. Obviously iustus4 has taken the bait hook, line, and sinker. Unable to prove his beliefs with fact he has resorted to name calling.

JamesWking
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JamesWking 08/12/08 - 08:46 am
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The Confederate States of

The Confederate States of America and the Old South was a classical civilization with colleges and universities, art and literature, world class architecture, politics with superior statesmen, and a fine military. It was driven by slave labor just as the classical civilizations of Egypt, Greece, and Rome were. Regardless, slavery was a dying institution and virtually all educated Southerners knew this. It had ended peacefully in the rest of the Western Hemisphere but in America the Northern radicals, fanatics, zealots, and industrialists used it as a scapegoat to attack and subjugate the Southern states for the cause of empire and to exploit the South's resources. The famous English writer Charles Dickens stated " The Northern onslaught upon Southern slavery is a specious piece of humbug designed to mask their desire for the economic control of the Southern States". The Confederacy deserves to be honored, remembered and respected.

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Ozymandias 08/12/08 - 09:06 am
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First, Its always amazing to

First, Its always amazing to me that people actually think (for lack of a better word) that the Blacks and Whites fighting in the Confederacy had the same objective. Do you actually believe that the Black soldiers were fight to continue the status quo? REALLY? To continue slavery? Slaves had no homes they were considered property. It is true that Blacks did fight on the side of the South and the answer as to why is surely more complex than they "believed" in the South. Secondly, christian134 falls into the old stereotypical go to of Blacks being lazy, Blacks want something for nothing, stirring up the racism pot. It sounds just like the Southerners who didn't have any race relation problems until that "Communist" Martin Luther King started asking for sit in and marches. And yet have probabYou my friend are an blind. We ARE nation in trouble because we fail to deal with our past in an honest upfront manner whether it be race or any number of issues. Lastly, If you and your ilk are really interrested in being under one flag why fight removing the Confedrate flag off statehouse grounds(SC) or the changing of the flag by removing the Confederate images (GA).

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TechLover 08/12/08 - 09:14 am
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Who fired the first shots?

Who fired the first shots? The wealthy plantation owners instigated the conflict to preserve their way of life and their free labor source. THe average people both black and white were then pulled in to the war. It amazes me how the socf and others say they want to honor history and their ancestors yet somehow only chose a 4 year period out of our nations history to do so. My great-great grandfather fought for the South, but other relatives fought as Patriots in the Revolution. I am much more proud of those fought to create our great nation than than the one who fought to destroy it. Thank God the North won and our nation was preserved.

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HYPOCRITES 08 08/12/08 - 09:38 am
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Who cares? I do not care

Who cares? I do not care about the Civil War, the French and Indian war, nor the War of The Roses. Talk about get over the past. We have troops in a fight for their lives at this very moment and you all are caught up in some North -V- South BS.

christian134
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christian134 08/12/08 - 09:45 am
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Ozymandias what you and

Ozymandias what you and others fail to understand one little, to some, but big, to me and others, is the difference on my speaking out against many of the blacks today that have and are continuing to live off the government as compared to the blacks who lived, worked and died in slavery..They were of a different class of brave men and women who fought for something greater than themselves and they achieved it in my opinion..They were for the most part honorable people who contributed far more than those of today could ever accomplish...As far as slavery not only this nation but every other nation in the world has been part of slavery one time or another..The south had a plan for the eventual release of the slaves back into society but at a pace that would not just turn people out without any kind of plan or means of earning a living...The blacks of that time were as courageous group of people that deserve to be respected under the flag many of them fought under..Why you and yours would seek to undermine them or to put yourselves anywhere near their level of honor and sacrifice is hubris...

HYPOCRITES 08
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HYPOCRITES 08 08/12/08 - 11:04 am
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Again, who cares? It is the

Again, who cares? It is the past let it goes. As far as bravery, their as plenty of brave Black, White, Latino or whatever out there. They are on the front line dying so that a bunch of Yoko's can sit at home and continue to fight the battle of the North against the South. Dang!!

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dashiel 08/12/08 - 11:05 am
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Pray let us not forget black

Pray let us not forget black Brigadier General Moses DuMas Best. Though known today as the inventor of the switchblade pocketknife and for having inadvertently introduced cocaine to North America in the form of Dolly Dimple Dusting Powder, General Best also served admirably as social director aboard the CSS Tubfarte whose crew members marveled at his unique method of preparing doughnut dough. Best died after skidding on a lima bean at a Confederate veterans banquet in Montgomery.

jack
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jack 08/12/08 - 11:12 am
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Justusdummies, I would have

Justusdummies, I would have sworn you were writing about yourself until I say your screen name.

jack
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jack 08/12/08 - 11:17 am
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I have always been amazed

I have always been amazed that blacks are so "offended" by the Confederat Battle Flag, but not the American stars and stripes that brought the slaves here under some of the worst conditions imaginable, many dying on the long voyage.

HYPOCRITES 08
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HYPOCRITES 08 08/12/08 - 11:22 am
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Dashiel, what a bunch of

Dashiel, what a bunch of Bull. FUNNY. But bull.

RichmondCountyResident1
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RichmondCountyResident1 08/12/08 - 11:55 am
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Folks, it's time to move on.

Folks, it's time to move on. None of you really know what happened in the indivisual battles of this unufortunate war. What difference does it matter now? It won't lower gas prices. It won't help save someone's home from foreclosure. It won't end the many conflicts we have going in this world. The flag and it's relics, belong in a museum, to be honored by those who wish to honor them. That's how we have always preserved our past. It shouldn't be thrust upon everyone or used as a wedge to further divide the community. Those doing so, do more to dishonor those who fought, than anything the NAACP ever did. It's time we bury this divisive issue and seek common ground. We need jobs, better schooling for our kids, and more opportunity for everyone who wants to better themselves. Let's move on!!!!!

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owensjef2 08/12/08 - 12:06 pm
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aman rcr

aman rcr

christian134
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christian134 08/12/08 - 12:24 pm
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It really isn't "thrusting or

It really isn't "thrusting or to be thrust upon" except by your group of NAACP radicals RCr. I happen to like the flag as it does represent apart of the South...As far as your people are concerned if it means so much to them to have separate stores, phone books, entertainment and much more then why is it such a proper pain in the behind to leave the Confederate Flag alone? I will stand up and shout all day long you have things like you want then by golly we can too. We can all put this mess aside unite as Americans and take care of the sovereignty of this country before we fall apart which is what our enemies are waiting, watching, laughing and preparing to cash in on..

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PLAYLIKETHUNDER4 08/12/08 - 12:31 pm
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justus4,isn't a red herring

justus4,isn't a red herring something you eat every friday with some light bread and hot sauce????
oh,that's pickled herring, my bad.
as somre of your bros will say, you is a fool.....

RichmondCountyResident1
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RichmondCountyResident1 08/12/08 - 12:43 pm
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Well Christian, all races

Well Christian, all races have things that are basically exist for it's race. Whites just don't put their name in the title. The Republican Party, is one example of a white entity. It's made up mostly of whites. It's platform mainly benefit whites, i.e. ending affirmative action, slowing immigration, keeping the minimum wages down, which tend to hurt blacks who overwhelmingly represent this group. We have things that use our identity, to let us who are disenfranchised know, you are welcome here. None of these groups or publications, break any laws. And if we did close them, savvy white businessmen would reopen them tommorrow,to further expand the market for their goods and services. Besides, people that want unity, would learn to live with their differences.Are you married? Couples do it all the time.

PLAYLIKETHUNDER4
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PLAYLIKETHUNDER4 08/12/08 - 12:53 pm
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jameswking...i like your

jameswking...i like your stuff, you are obviously well read and a student of true history.
rcr, with respect to your intelligence , and i do believe you to be intelligent, the naacp spends a lot of time on this subject too, when as you point out there are bigger looming issues for us all.
i pick at justus as a polarizing gesture, and i shouldn't. i apologize for my lack of judgement.it sends me up a wall when he turns every single thing into a "whites did it to me" issue.
rcr, i would never hurt you, your family,pray for your success,your comfort and safety and for your family to flourish and succede, but i have as much right to celebrate my g-g-grandfather's being a member of the greenville regiment(16 th regiment,csa,greenville,sc) as you do to be proud of your african heritage.
the stars and bars,confederate gray,and the wistful sound of dixie being played on confederate memorial day means different things to different people.this is true of black history month,mlk day,and the assorted rememberances thereof.
we are supposed to shake hands, embrace our brother, but we must all remember in that special way from whence we came.i respect you,rcr,for what it's worth.

christian134
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christian134 08/12/08 - 01:03 pm
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Okay so by your logic all

Okay so by your logic all races have things that are basically existing for its own race.. Blacks do put their names in titles, the Democratic Party is one example of black entity..It is made mostly of blacks. Its platform mainly benefits blacks, i.e. keeping affirmative action in place, expediting immigration so blacks can be the majority, raising the minimum wage by taking all the whites out of the way, which tends to really harm anything white.. You really are a bona fide racist aren,t you little RCR..Wow..Take your little books and your little racist behinds and run them right back across the ocean if this nation doesn't represent your as fairly as you would like it...I am saying this with all the kindness I can muster...Oh oh wait I feel a smile coming on --- yep there it is....

RichmondCountyResident1
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RichmondCountyResident1 08/12/08 - 01:08 pm
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Well Playlikethunder, I

Well Playlikethunder, I appreciate your respect and I respect you , too. I respect Christian although sometimes I feel he is plain loco. I don't think the NAACP recieves a fair shake, because the only thing most people hear about, is their opposition to the Confederacy. You never hear about the scholarships they award. You never hear about their battles with the thug culture. We don't want to destroy the Confederacy or it's emblems. We just feel it's place on the statehouse is offensive. It's our statehouse too. Our people sufferred greatly under it's regime and we have a duty to speak for them. Put yourself in our shoes.

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christian134 08/12/08 - 01:10 pm
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As far as the men and women

As far as the men and women of the past rcr, many of the people who share your qualities of character would not even begin to hold a candle to those who fought and struggled to achieve freedom and rights...They are the heroes not people like you and yours...

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RichmondCountyResident1 08/12/08 - 01:14 pm
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Sorry Christian, I never been

Sorry Christian, I never been to Africa, but I'm looking forward to visiting one day. You calling me racist is funny. Nowhere, in your post do you want unity. You can't even come up with an original concept. Obviously, your mind is too small to understand America and capitalism. Owensjef, thanks for your support above.

christian134
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christian134 08/12/08 - 01:15 pm
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Is is rather amusing isn't it

Is is rather amusing isn't it rcr....:-)

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RichmondCountyResident1 08/12/08 - 01:37 pm
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Well fellas, gotta go, I

Well fellas, gotta go, I enjoyed our conversation. Christian, I will definitely keep you in my prayers. Cause dude, at times, you're smaller than a midget, on his knees. Have a good one!!!!!!

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confederate american 08/12/08 - 01:42 pm
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justus4 and firefighterhamer

justus4 and firefighterhamer i can see that you both are rascist and uneducated or went to a government school.that flag has been carried in to every war this country has fought since the civil war,i have pictures of it in iraq now.it was carried by honorable southern men then and now and that confederate flag will always fly in the south

christian134
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christian134 08/12/08 - 01:45 pm
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Right back at ya

Right back at ya "dude"RCR..Oh the phrases you come up with...my my..Wow your even making small of the "little people" eh...ouch..And one last time the name is not capitalized...

Farful
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Farful 08/12/08 - 01:46 pm
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Good article Lee. Beck is a

Good article Lee. Beck is a moron.

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