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There's nothing that clears a room quite like "Who's with us?"

Think and say what you will about George W. Bush and the Iraq War. But after the unprovoked acts of war against the United States on Sept. 11, 2001, the president essentially said to the world, either you're with us or you're with the terrorists.

He was pilloried in many circles for being so black and white.

But he was right then, and he's right now.

The sad truth is, the world is largely a coward. As long as it's someone else's ox that's getting gored, then don't bother me. As long as it's the United States getting attacked, there's no reason for us to lift a finger.

We did get a remarkable coalition together for the Afghanistan and Iraq missions. But mostly the world has sat on the sidelines while we've fought the war on terror ourselves.

Will the terrorist attack in China last week on the eve of the Olympics, which killed 16 policemen, wake the world up? Will a Web video depicting a terrorist attack on an Olympic venue?

What will convince the world that it's at war with radical Islam? That it's not just the United States or the West? That radical Muslims want to kill any creature that fogs a mirror and doesn't submit to Islam and the strictest interpretations of it?

It may surprise all the Bush-bashers out there when he leaves office and Muslims stay on the offensive -- against not only the United States and the rest of Western civilization, but against anyone who stands in the way of worldwide Islam.

Comments

DeborahElliott2

Ok, first, let me say, Iraq didn't start this war, it was Osama Bin Laden, and second, we still didn't attack his group cause they keep recruiting more and we are unable to fight something that the rest of the world won't fight against. Third, Yes, I agree that fighting our attackers is something we should be doing, and NO, I don't think I should have to pay to rebuild the very people's country after the invasion, they started this thing and I should NEVER have to repay for something they started! Last but not least, I don't think President Bush was in his right mind sending our money to a country that forced us to invade to begin with cause they are not using it for the purposes intended. They should have got off their lazy BUTTS and started fighting with us instead of watching from the side lines! Freedom is NOT cheap, and if they want it bad enough, they need to fight back for it too!

SisterAbdullahX_

Let us not forget that Iraq routinely attacked our Air Force pilots. Now let's listen to Cain and his type talk about how everything is the USA's fault.

patriciathomas

DE2, the concept of radical Islam seems to have passed right over your head. I'm no singling you out, most people that get their news from the networks have missed that concept. National defense isn't promoted by the left so they leave out the fact that radical Islam doesn't recognize borders and terms like Iraq for one group and Osama for another group and Iran for another group don't apply. Radical Islam is an idea that crosses all borders and into all factions. Any muslim that feels it's not only their right, but their duty to kill or convert everyone, falls into this group. Trying to fit them into geographical borders doesn't apply. Tough concept, huh?

christian134

Thank you for your insightful and right on point commentary Chronicle...Hopefully and prayerfully this Nation of ours will step back for a moment and realize the truth...

JohnRandolphHardisonCain

Is the war between Georgia & Russia over South Ossetia caused by "radical Islam"? Is the defacto war between Turkey & the Kurds, between Iran & the Kurds, and between Syria & the Kurds caused by "radical Islam"? Extreme right-wingers always have to have a bogeyman to justify their militarism. "International communism" was the bogeyman during the Cold War. Now it is terrorists & "radical Islam". United States has invaded & occupies Muslim lands - not the other way around. The biggest motive driving "radical Islam" is to get foreign invaders & occupiers out of their lands. Paranoid American aggressors have concocted this insane idea that that there is a coordinated movement for "worldwide Islam". Ironically Russia has problems with Islamic militants in its border regions. Nevertheless Bush has made relations with Russia more tense. What's up with that? Actually it is the neoconservative "Project for a New American Century" that stated that United States should impose its economic & political system throughout the world THROUGH THE USE OF MILITARY FORCE that is the biggest threat to peace in the world today - not Cuba, not Venezuela, North Korea, not Iran, and not "radical Islam".

shivas

So, anyonw who disagrees with the right-wing is labled a coward. Again, another reason the country is tuning-out these narrow-minded people and making them irrelevant. Their attacks are only beginning, though.

patriciathomas

The leader of France bought into the left wing spiel and was replaced with a conservative. The leader of Germany bought into the left wing spiel and was replaced with a conservative. The left wing press is still able to trick at least two Americans. Great posts shivas and Cain. Meaningless, but great, from a far lefty's perspective.( radical islam exists, even if you don't believe).

DeborahElliott2

So in other words, I need to pay those of whom I attacked? Get real ! They won't get off their own butts long enough to make the money we send them work for the good of what we did, they probably still give it back to the terrorists.

patriciathomas

Tough concept, huh?

HYPOCRITES 08

I may not agree with everything that JRHC says, but just like the rest of us, he has a right to his opinions. So stop acting like you are some type of Soothsayer when he comments.

paulwheeler

What is the purpose of this editorial? It discusses nothing new, rehashes old, and has no pertinent point. Is this just a smokescreen to draw attention from something else? Maybe to distract from the criminal act of a cowardly Republican governor playing games with taxpayers dollars ? Maybe "sonnydo's" games with tax releif?

Bizarro

I don't think bogeyman is an appropriate analogy. Communisms spread was real just like the U.S.S.R. annexing the Baltic states and Poland, and communisms spread in other areas like the communist victory in Vietnam. Islamism is real but it is not a unified front just a unified prinicipal of Islam and politics which the growth has more to do with fall of the U.S.S.R. (and the Saudis funding from oil profits since the 70's) than U.S. aggression. Islamism alienates against Europeans, the U.S. and anyone not muslim. Islamisms spread in Europe isn't a violent aggression and Islamism has moderate (Turkey) and aggressive (al Qaeda) approaches and strategies. If the U.S. were to pull out of every Islamic state that would not stop Islamism-that is an ignorant argument. It is a politcal movement.

dashiel

Either you're with us or we hate you.

pah4r

Islam, and it's talented orators are bent on destroying all that are no-beleivers of their ways, docrtrine by any and all means possible including finding and funding those capable of leading blind sheep. WAKE UP WORLD BEFORE WE ARE ALL FORCED TO SWEAR ALLIEGENCE TO ALLAH AND THE KORAN.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain

United States is in the western hemisphere. Think whatever you want about events in eastern Europe, the Middle East, and south Asia but many factors work against United States being dominant in that region. First and foremost is geography. Look how far it is from any U.S. port to Tbilisi, to Baghdad, to Kabul, to Tehran, or to Peshawar. Look at the terrain in this region of the world. Then look at demographics. United States has an aging population of 330 million. The average age of people in Lebanon, in Gaza, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Iran, and in Pakistan is much younger. The birthrate is much higher. Third, look at the resources the United States has - including arms and money. They are not inexhaustible. Then look at history. Look at the rise and fall of empires. And look at the history of colonialism and counterinsurgency wars. None of these augur well for United States being able to dominate the above mentioned regions of the world. War as an instrument of diplomacy/coercion is becoming passe even for a superpower. Russia can dominate South Ossetia and Georgia. It cannot manage an empire or dominate all of its neighbors. United States cannot dominate the above mentioned regions of the wrold from 8,000 or more miles away. United States needs a new foreign policy that relies on soft power, international cooperation, international goodwill, and limited use of military power. The Bush/Cheney war regime has squandered American diplomatic clout and poisoned the well of goodwill. Wisdom and honestly are what are missing from U.S. foreign policy. That is why we are not united and why we are in disarray.

rufus

And yet some are considering electing the son of a carpet jockey for president

JohnRandolphHardisonCain

United States and the world are lurching inexorably toward a disastrous regional or world war. Love, wisdom, and humanity can change that trajectory. Blaming "radical Islam" for every grievance and feeding war fever do nothing but hasten the world toward the precipice. The Augusta Chronicle and George W. Bush are doing a heckava job towards that sorry end.

PLAYLIKETHUNDER4

cain,the islamic bastards attacked u.s. soil, and we have every right,every responsibility to defend this country and the ideals on which it was founded.
your 8:32 post is ridiculous.
your implication that the u.s. is the bad guy is not only treasonous in it's conselt, but an insult to the men and women who have served so bravely and with honor.

dashiel

Power, capital and six years to accomplish something. It's all Miss Nancy's fault. Deny everything and demand the truth.

Bizarro

Stephen Hawking and a growing class of scientist, theologians, and every walk of life believe it inevitable that mankind will annihilate itself. We are a violent lot and perhaps it is a fitting end. The only venues preaching peace are religions like Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc. but violent people will use whatever to justify their violent ends such as using these religions to fuel their agenda. These religions whether based on myth or reality are one of few resources in history that propose peace and love. Few and now fewer truly hold to these tenets of peace and love and now the religions are getting the blame for the problem rather than being a possible solution. Peace, love, or honesty are not natural attributes of humanity, and only by the evolution of the Vedic, Abrahamic, etc religions has peace honesty, and love been systematically introduced and encouraged in humanity. Blaming Christianity or Islam or Communism or Democracy for every grievance is not accurate-it is human nature that is are greatest enemy.

hcbalfour

It is refreshing to see an editorial page that rejects all the conventional hooey -- the 'memes' -- of current American journalism. Thank you for this editorial, and for others like it.

HARLEY HOG

The Bible, if you believe it, says there will always be wars and talk of wars. Now, put that in your pipe and smoke it.

critter

Yer either with us or agin us - yeeee hawwwww!!!!

JohnRandolphHardisonCain

An insightful and salient post at 9:00 am, Bizarro.

Niko Mahs

Dwight Eisenhower, the last decent Republican president, warned against the dangers of an aggressive military establishment. There is a bogeyman out there. In fact there are two, Bin laden & Al Zwahari. We should be getting them and not be in Iraq. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the rest of the aggressive military machine blew this one. Reagan and the Bushes did not listen to the history lesson from Eisenhower, the guy who lived at Augusta National.

sjgraci

Not only is most of the World Against W, the Radical Right, and the Chronicle, most of the United States is as well.

mable8

Don't you think it rather strange that when the United States needs some assistance, the"world" looks the other way--yet when one of those countries needs assistance, if the United States doesn't act fast enough to lend their arms, money, and other forms of assistance, we are slammed all over creation because we either did not act fast enough or provide enough? Perhaps the better solution is for the United States to become an isolationist country again--at least until the the other nations recognize the value of our existence. Close the borders and let no more immigrants in; show some of the harsher punishments for immigrants who break our laws while here that other nations mete out to Americans abroad. Quite frankly, I am tired of the bashing of the United States by other countries. As for the Middle Eastern countries, they have been at war for centuries; leave them alone and eventually they should kill each other off. If they do attack the United States again, then show them what we showed Japan after Pearl Harbor. Oh, I forgot; Obama has no backbone so if elected, we will be even further stripped of our greatness.

mgroothand

We constantly hear about Radical Islam and we forget that Islam as a religion is Radical in the hearts and minds of the western world. The words in the Koran can not be taken out of context, they're right there in plain black and white. If, as a Christian, you believe in the Bible, you can not (should not) selectively choose the passages that fit your lifestyle and ignore those that do not. The same goes for Muslims and the Koran. With few exceptions all of the Ten Commandents are applicable everywhere, it's a good start.

HARLEY HOG

mgroothand, If you love them so much why don't you join them, that is if you are not already with them. You sure as hell sound like you are not with us.

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