Deception lies with the pro-lifers

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Gail Sikes ("Pro-lifers stand for more than children," July 8) should realize broader truths beyond her own self-defined ones. "Love of all mankind" and "protection of all human beings from fertilization until natural death" are empty shibboleths in this instance, because pro-lifers do not, in effect, practice the first one, and it would seem that even God does not practice the second one.

Pro-lifers believe they have superior insight, and assert that an unconscious fetus, or mass of embryonic tissue, is a person. They believe their irrational viewpoint is unquestionable because they know better. They further believe the imposition of a personal ideology on others is an act of love. Humans and animals share the same biology. Yet if I were to insist that a sheep embryo is a lamb, and that killing said embryo equates with the slaughter of an innocent lamb that eats, breathes and feels pain, people would think me insane. In fact, it is illustrative of the logic of pro-lifers.

At least one-third of all conceptions end in spontaneous abortion usually because of fetal defects. That makes God the biggest abortionist of all.

Most women who were not coerced and feel the decision was right for them experience no post abortion trauma. The women who feel traumatized are mainly victims of the very self-appointed moralists and crusaders who claim to have women's best interests at heart. They, along with patriarchal, controlling religions that subjugate women, inflict untold suffering by engendering guilt, depression and other useless emotions in those who should be free to determine their destinies without interference from self-righteous busybodies.

Planned Parenthood does not deceive or deny facts. Deception is the specialty of pro-lifers with their hysterical hogwash and calls for governmental control over an intensely private matter, all in the name of love.

Joni Ellsworth, North Augusta S.C.

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willistontownsc
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willistontownsc 07/22/08 - 01:20 pm
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And a typical misogynistic

And a typical misogynistic Christian comeback from you, jack. I would love for you to look at a couple of articles of why Joni and I are always so critical of you and your ilk:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerri_Santoro

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadine_Shamir

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Deaths_in_childbirth

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christian134 07/22/08 - 01:22 pm
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It only matter what God says

It only matter what God says is right and just; don't you see that even a little bit willistontownsc?...It doesn't make it right just because some people say it is right..If it doesn't line up with God's Word then it is wrong...

truthisouttherestill
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truthisouttherestill 07/22/08 - 01:31 pm
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Deaths_in_childbirth???????.......... is the point of this......just more stupidity......of course some women die in childbirth.......while childbirth is a natural occuring event it is still dangerous......no one is saying it isn't.......so should every woman in the world stop having children??????......that would be one way to stop the population explosion........but some women die from abortions to include legal abortions not just the back alley ones you prefer to alude to......yea those women had a choice.....but what choice did they give those children

willistontownsc
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willistontownsc 07/22/08 - 01:35 pm
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jack, women didn't have

jack, women didn't have control over their bodies until January 22, 1973 so don't even sit there and lie like that. And now, you and your kindred wants to make the government have total control women's bodies, just like they did on January 21, 1973.

Forced pregnancy is rape and you know it.

truthisouttherestill
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truthisouttherestill 07/22/08 - 01:39 pm
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no body is forcing pregnancy

no body is forcing pregnancy on anyone.......if they don't want to get pregnant then don't have sex.........they are totally free to make that choice.......if a woman is truely raped or a victim of incest and becomes pregnant then in that case i feel they should be given the choice.....but even then they still shouldn't be waiting until they are 5 months or more along before deciding.

willistontownsc
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willistontownsc 07/22/08 - 01:39 pm
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Even one maternal death is

Even one maternal death is unacceptable, truthisouttherestill. We need a perfect zero in both the maternal death and the infant mortality category.

willistontownsc
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willistontownsc 07/22/08 - 01:43 pm
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And yes, the government is

And yes, the government is forcing women to become pregnant. Why else are the governments in Washington, Columbia and Atlanta introducing their sharia laws nonstop? Just take a look at all of the stuff that are being uncovered by Ellie Smeal and her staff.

truthisouttherestill
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truthisouttherestill 07/22/08 - 01:43 pm
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well if people like you get

well if people like you get their way it will never happen......because what is abortion but infant mortality

truthisouttherestill
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truthisouttherestill 07/22/08 - 01:47 pm
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please......if the government

please......if the government is forcing women to become pregnant it is because the government just hands them more welfare money every time they do.......keep popping them out and get a bigger paycheck......yea that's real force

willistontownsc
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willistontownsc 07/22/08 - 01:50 pm
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hands them more welfare

hands them more welfare money? give me a break!

If people like you were in charge, then we would rank right up there with Iran as the nations with the most oppressive laws on women.

truthisouttherestill
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truthisouttherestill 07/22/08 - 01:58 pm
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its not oppression to say

its not oppression to say they should be responsible for their actions.......but guess someone like you would not understand the concept of responsibility

john
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john 07/22/08 - 01:59 pm
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wow. willis is gone. let her

wow. willis is gone. let her go.

john
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john 07/22/08 - 02:01 pm
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let see, stoning women to

let see, stoning women to death for adultry.....hmm...no. not here. Burkas.....no. Cant drive.....no. Cant have a business......no. Cant go out without permission..no. Get a grip willis

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weekapaug05 07/22/08 - 02:01 pm
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It is kind of funny that a

It is kind of funny that a lot of folks that are pro-choice are against the death sentence and vice versa for those who are pro-life ... hmmm. I always thought it was funny too the redneck that has a pro-life sticker on their car that goes and tries to blow up an abortion clinic. Killing unborn children is ok but not covicted murderers and then killing murderers is ok but not killing babies. Killing murderers and saving babies sounds like a better system to me. Then again killing is killing. Seems like abortion is man trying to beat nature. Sure natural abortions happen all the time (a miscarry) because nature (or God if you like) has decided that there is some defect and is not worthy of continuing life. Then again we use medicine all the time to help preserve life. It really boils down to a question of morality. Do you think that killing an unborn human is murder in the eyes of your creator (or whatever your religion dictates as wrong or right). No matter how you slice it, there is a new living being inside of a woman when sperm meets egg. That is living tissue that will potentially develop into a human being if nature allows. But by all means tell yourself that it's not human if it will help you sleep through the night

truthisouttherestill
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truthisouttherestill 07/22/08 - 02:05 pm
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yep......at least the

yep......at least the criminals had their chance at a life even if they did screw it up......those innocent babies never get a chance

weekapaug05
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weekapaug05 07/22/08 - 02:08 pm
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willistontownsc how is the

willistontownsc how is the govt. forcing women to get pregnant? Is the govt. raping women? If women want so much control over their bodies as you claim then why don't they take some personal responsibility and take care of their bodies so that they don't get pregnant. You act like women don't have a choice in getting pregnant.

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weekapaug05 07/22/08 - 02:12 pm
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willstontown, just be happy

willstontown, just be happy you don't live in Iran, China, or Japan for that matter (Japan taxes you based on the number of children you have unlike here where you get a deduction) and you live in such a great nation that you can go kill your unborn child because it's your body and you can do what you want with it (don't worry about the unborn child's body, it can't vote until it's 18 ... oh that's right it's dead before it gets to breath air for the first time.)

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weekapaug05 07/22/08 - 02:18 pm
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It's also funny that I know

It's also funny that I know women who are members of PETA and are pro-choice. They say that they're PETA members because they want to speak for those animals who cannot, but why don't the also speak for the unborn who cannot ... logic and reasoning be damned I say!

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RockyMayer 07/22/08 - 02:42 pm
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You have shown courage Joni

You have shown courage Joni Ellsworth, I just hope you are not targeted (by the crazies who read this) because of your well worded opinion. Remember everyone, opinion. Just because you do not agree doesnt mean YOU are right. Though I agree with Joni. And remember, pro-choice means just that, choice.

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createyourfuture 07/22/08 - 02:45 pm
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Sound research shows that

Sound research shows that over 50% of live fertilized embryos are flushed out in the menstrual passage each month. Then shouldn't we be searching all the tampons to save those babies? After all, they are human life.

There is no 100% birth control method but abstinence. If a pregnancy occurs in the face of hormonal contraception and the risk of fetal exposure to hormones, what then?

There is a definable risk to maternal life of carrying a pregnancy to term. No woman should be forced to take that risk, unless she is willing to take it.

Abortion is a sad, but necessary medical procedure. It should be a last resort, but is necessary in some cases.

The moral issues of the ""pro-life" and "pro-choice" are more complex than the black and white model each side chooses. Like most complicated issues, the answer is usually gray, unless it concerns the gubment school system, which has the nuttiest "no tolerance" rules on the planet.

Many of these intolerant moral prefects have forgotten Commandments 1 and 2 and become the very Pharisees they so despise.

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RockyMayer 07/22/08 - 02:49 pm
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createyourfuture, thank you!

createyourfuture, thank you!

weekapaug05
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weekapaug05 07/22/08 - 02:56 pm
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createyourfuture, but that's

createyourfuture, but that's nature taking it's course not man interfering w/ nature. And you're right, rocky it's all opinion. I don't think that it should be 100% illegal because I don't think that "Big Brother" should be interfering with our lives, but I do think that it is immoral and irresponsible. Sure accidents happen but I only wish people would step up to the plate and take responsibility for their actions and not use abortion as birth control. I also don't like the idea of the "home methods" of abortion or back alley doctors performing them. There is a lot of grey and I can see the flaws in my argument because after all tigers eat their young. tee hee

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FallingLeaves 07/22/08 - 03:03 pm
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imdstuff Your statement is

imdstuff Your statement is false. I am pro-life and against the death penalty. Everyone I know that is pro-life is against the death penalty. Many faiths, including Roman Catholicism, expect their members to be both pro-life and against the death penalty. Do you know how many Roman Catholics there are in this world? Your statement is false. There are millions of people that are pro-life and against the death penalty. There is no "usually" about it, it's the other way around.

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FallingLeaves 07/22/08 - 03:14 pm
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createyourfuture, if a

createyourfuture, if a fertilized embryo is flushing out with the menstrual cycle it is already dead or dying and is exiting in a natural phenomenon called "spontaneous abortion". I wish there was a better phrase for it, because it gives a wrong impression. The right thing to do if faced with a decision between saving the mother or the baby is to save the baby. Why is there even a question? I can't comprehend ever giving permission to kill my baby to save my own life. I told the doctors to do whatever you have to do to save the baby. No if's and's or but's. The baby didn't ask to be conceived and I've already lived. Faced with that choice, I choose my baby's life over mine. I am saddened that there is even a question regarding that.

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patriciathomas 07/22/08 - 03:18 pm
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I don't think I've seen so

I don't think I've seen so many really good reasons to kill babies. All of the "pro-choice" posters don't seem the think the person being killed deserves a choice. Talk about tough love!

truthisouttherestill
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truthisouttherestill 07/22/08 - 03:39 pm
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yea too bad we can't ask the

yea too bad we can't ask the baby what it would like before the doctor sucks out its brain or scrapes it loose and sucks it out with a hose.....anyone wanting an abortion should be made to watch one before they get it done.....and i mean really watch one.......they could put one of those tiny cameras in and watch as the doctor sucks the baby out......then they should have nightmares for the rest of theirs lives.

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Dan White 07/22/08 - 03:48 pm
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Sadly, it seems that abortion

Sadly, it seems that abortion is here to stay in our godless nation. Our government made slaves out of people and sent the Native Americans packing. The slaves had a voice of their own and slavery came to a bloody end. The Native Americans developed a voice of their own and persecution ended. But the little babies formed by God in the mother's womb have not a voice of their own. And so, we kill the most defenseless of all. The slaves rioted. The Indians fought back. The little babies die defenseless. One day, history will look back on this horrible atrocity and classify it with slavery and the Trail of Tears. The same justification used today for the slaughter of innocents was used to chain the slaves and move the Indians. God help us.

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ishefa 07/22/08 - 03:49 pm
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imdstuf: Not only are they

imdstuf: Not only are they prolifers, they are the main ones against public programs to assist those who are least able to have these babies that are forced upon them through "moral guilt." They are also usually very pro-nuclear, of course, in the "name of God." What hypocrits!

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willistontownsc 07/22/08 - 03:50 pm
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baroness @ 16:03, you are one

baroness @ 16:03, you are one of the few who are against both abortion and the death penalty. Only if there were more people in the NRLC who would protest in front of the execution chamber in Huntsville, Texas just as often as they do in front of PP and other OB-GYN centers in the Big Apple, they would be alright.

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Dan White 07/22/08 - 03:52 pm
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It appears that aborition is

It appears that aborition is here to stay. It now becomes the Christian's highest priority to minister to the women whose consicience is on fire, whose guiilt is oppressive, and whose nightmare in that awful moment in the abortion clinic never ends. We must show compassion, love, and acceptance to those women who have deep regret and remember every anniversary of the day of the abortion wondering what their little baby would look like and be today. God help us to minister to these broken women and direct them to the forgiving and healing power of the God of living and love.

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