dd, I won't tell you what to do, but where do you get some guidance on some of these issues? You are very broad in your thinking and even if you did go to church, are you really what you claim to be in your faith or are you ok where you are? God laid down a few rules and the author is just trying to get all of us to think about where we stand. If you think Secular Humanism and the Biblical World view share similar moral standards, what does that tell you? God called it sin either way, but he also said lukewarm "christians" will he spit you back out of his mouth. (Revelations) What does this tell you? Will God be so cruel to do this? I know my God never lies and if he said it, then he will also do what he said, for he cannot allow sin in heaven again. For this very reason, Lucifer and all who followed him were cast down as in the book of Isreal. I know where you are coming from, but nobody is "pushing" anything on you either. They are merely getting to other people in a more broad spectrum. If you are convicted, then talk to someone about it, or hide it deep down and never let it out. It is ultimately your choice in the end.

Actually our govt is doing everything possible to protect the freedom of religion. But some folks have it in their mind that theirs is the only religion and seem bent on a theocracy. The issues the LTE speaks are spiritual battles. Having a biblical world view is fine as long as you don't infringe on others rights to believe as they wish. The cost of freedom is tolerance of that which you may disdain, but think of it as others have to tolerate you too (which they may disdain). Morality is not a constant and changes in cultures and through time as history denotes. Biblical sin is another issue, and I only know of one person in history who was free from it. Christ! The greatest problem with Humanism is that it is based on rationalizing a universal morality. Humans just aren't rational creatures. hee,he,hee.

Don't tell me I made a "rational" argument. How un-Bizarroesque of me. Forgive me sir. To err is human(ism). hee,hee,hee. I'm waiting for all the Christians to question my christianity. hee,hee,hee. And the humanist to question my humanity.

Mr. Windham, A timely letter. I can sense a growing knowledge among believers that the time is short. Of course, all believers have felt this in past centuries but it is for sure than none were closer than we are. I must take issue with one thing you said. "While those of us in the church are suffering from defeat & waiting for the rapture to occur, our whole Christian culture is being destroyed." Believers will never be defeated because the battle is not ours, but the Lord's. We know how this thing is going to end. Yes, we await the rapture of the church but the destruction around us will happen. It is not OUR culture - this is the world & it is not our home. We are to "redeem the times" & to be "salt & light" in a world destined for a continued slide into depravity. We are to preserve what & who we can. The things you mentioned are not things that scare believers but should scare nonbelievers. Our job as believers is to do as you have done, warn others. As Rev. 1:7 says, "Look, he is coming with the clouds, & every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; & all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen." We do not want you to mourn - get ready!

A-men, Go tell it on the mountain, go tell it everywhere.

Whoah folks I agree with you and we should be salt and we should evanglize. I am as about as puritanical with my faith as anyone can be. We can only plant the seed. It ain't about us and God works in his way and on his schedule-I know it took him a good 4o years before I experienced God. But in order for me to enjoy that freedom I have to tolerate that which I really have no tolerance. I see govt as govt-it will always be corrupt and always be unjust, but I can use it to attain my freedom. In doing so I have to tolerate others having freedoms. I give Caesar his due and no more. Fact is a good majority of Christians I have experienced my whole life have been anything but salt. I have experienced personally more unethical, dishonest, drunken, adulterating , etc, etc, etc, christians a person should ever experience (maybe it is growing up in the South) several were deacons in churchs (had one drunk christian pull a gun on me). (Cont)

Christ said any man who divorces and then remarries is an adulterer. The divorce rate is higher in Christians than the normal population. Not much salt there. Should these adulterers be punished as criminals. Yes, lets make it against the law and let them serve twenty years. Drive them out of the churches too. NOT. Where does LOVE fall into the equation. We LOVE and God changes people. If people can't see the love in us how will then even look to see it in Christ. I use to hate most everybody because they were ignorant, undisciplined, selfabsorbed, under-educated, hypocritical, etc.,etc. etc. God showed me I am no different-in fact I am the least. I don't hate people anymore I love them-I have been delivered. God is still working on the anger thang. hee,hee,hee.Shew!!! What a diatribe. My apologies! I will get off my soap box now if I don't fall and break my neck. This is, of course, just my opinion, and I admit I am often wrong. Admittedly my experiences have left me a bit jaded too. But I do love all you folks, even the ones I disagree with and those who are off a bit. I really enjoy the interaction.

Well some truth to that mgroothand, but where can posters go. The AC Forums religion section is just for apologetics and anyone with a faith bent is either lacking in intelligence or sanity. LOL. Perhaps atheist should not be allowed to post in that section so only people of faith can post. That would go over like a led zeppelin. I always tell protestants when you get to heaven that likely both people on either side of you will be Catholic-it is the predominate Christian denomiation.

I think about that verse in Mathew often Deb (and I think Zeno made the correction). I wonder am I in that group. I pray I am not but I also know I am a work in progress and the Lord has opened my eyes to so many things and I know he is not finished. There is just so much I can grasp at one time. I imagine I will change my mind on many issue as I grow in Christ. You wouldn't believe the difference he has already made. I am almost human. hee,hee,hee.

We know you are delusional grouse. You don't have to keep saying it.

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Grouse why would you say Christianity is delusional. Freud believed faiths were delusional, but psychiatry today does not hold to such nonsense. Religion can be associated with delusions, but it would be fallacious to say religion is delusional. Just like saying because Cain, an atheist, is delusional doesn't make all atheist delusional. Besides Freud's ideas aren't science because none can be falsified. You can't falsify God, and you can say the virgin birth, etc. of Jesus's life could be myth because they can't be falsified. We can falsify the resurrection. Over 500 witnesses saw the resurrected Christ. Just like evolution using an Occam's razor approach (or C.S. Lewis's argument)then we can say he was resurrected from the dead. We can falsify his existence which there is too much evidence to prove his existence. The resurrection of Christ definitely was the seed from which Christianity grew, all the rest could be myth but given the resurrection one has to entertain all he said was Truth. Given less than 4% of the earth are without faith then perhaps those without faith are the delusional. If homosexuality is biological (although to date no evidence stands with impunity it is only a belief) then the same argument would be that all faiths and religions are also biological (memes as Dawkins would argue). Perhaps grouse and his ilk are just a mutation without the faith biology. Given the success of faiths I would argue his mutation has no biological value. hee,hee,hee. Natural selection would hold that faiths serve a greater biological purpose than no faith. Of course the problem with Dawkins is much of his ideas are not falsifiable-you can't test his hypotheses, or they have been proven in error like the sefish gene concept.