World in need of spiritual awakening

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Why is it so difficult to discern a conspiracy, building a one-world government? The reason, I believe, is because most of us are Bible-illiterate. I doubt that many of us know the difference between secular humanism and a biblical world-view.

What we are witnessing is man's second attempt at building Nimrod's Tower of Babel. We are seeing the age-old struggle between the forces of good and evil. Evil men are attempting to replace God's wisdom with man's foolishness.

While those of us in the church are suffering from defeat and waiting for the rapture to occur, our whole Christian culture is being destroyed. Our children already have been indoctrinated in secular humanism in these godless government schools. It is now a hate crime to call evil "evil."

Our leaders are corrupt and treason is rampant. Ninety percent of the incumbents are returned to office simply by giving lip service -- and then they return to vote liberal. Materialism and the love of money is prevalent. Three-quarters of us are in the government trough, one way or another, and we are not going to bite the hands that feed us.

We have murdered millions of our babies in the womb under the label of freedom of choice. As we gather around the family altar of television, it continues to spew out immorality and soft-core pornography.

This is one sin-sick nation. The Bible has the only remedy for sin. Christians are not called to win a popularly contest. We are called to be the salt and the light to the world, not be part of the problems.

What is needed is a spiritual awakening.

Andy Windham

Wagener, S.C.

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thatguy 07/12/08 - 03:12 am
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Well, yeah! I agree. Secular

Well, yeah! I agree. Secular Humanism and the Biblical World-view share similar moral standards, but differ in their belief in god.

ou're waiting for the rapture? Sounds like defeatist behavior to me. Also, culture evolves, ya dig? Third, religion has no place in education (except at home) and most importantly, teachers will never get into any sort of trouble by calling Hitler "evil" so you are wrong.

God forbid you have freedom of choice... oh, too bad that is exactly what humans have. Also, plenty of people do not watch television (or not much of it). Sensibilities are different from morals. Get it straight. I can offend your sensibilities, but not be immoral. Morals have more to do with, say, what you impart upon another consenting person.

Honestly, I don't mind people having a faith. It makes me happy to know that other folks don't believe that the universe is as either calculated/random as some scientists would have us believe. At the same time, they can be some rather pushy, vile folks. Each man's life is his own, and you should respect it. I don't tell you what to do, and all I ask is that you don't tell me what to do.

Pretty simple.

DeborahElliott2
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DeborahElliott2 07/12/08 - 05:35 am
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dd, I won't tell you what to

dd, I won't tell you what to do, but where do you get some guidance on some of these issues? You are very broad in your thinking and even if you did go to church, are you really what you claim to be in your faith or are you ok where you are? God laid down a few rules and the author is just trying to get all of us to think about where we stand. If you think Secular Humanism and the Biblical World view share similar moral standards, what does that tell you? God called it sin either way, but he also said lukewarm "christians" will he spit you back out of his mouth. (Revelations) What does this tell you? Will God be so cruel to do this? I know my God never lies and if he said it, then he will also do what he said, for he cannot allow sin in heaven again. For this very reason, Lucifer and all who followed him were cast down as in the book of Isreal. I know where you are coming from, but nobody is "pushing" anything on you either. They are merely getting to other people in a more broad spectrum. If you are convicted, then talk to someone about it, or hide it deep down and never let it out. It is ultimately your choice in the end.

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christian134 07/12/08 - 05:54 am
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Amen Andy and Deborah for

Amen Andy and Deborah for having the strength and faith to speak the truth to others..For in Ecclesiastes King Solomon wrote: Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is the whole, duty of man.

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Bizarro 07/12/08 - 06:15 am
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Actually our govt is doing

Actually our govt is doing everything possible to protect the freedom of religion. But some folks have it in their mind that theirs is the only religion and seem bent on a theocracy. The issues the LTE speaks are spiritual battles. Having a biblical world view is fine as long as you don't infringe on others rights to believe as they wish. The cost of freedom is tolerance of that which you may disdain, but think of it as others have to tolerate you too (which they may disdain). Morality is not a constant and changes in cultures and through time as history denotes. Biblical sin is another issue, and I only know of one person in history who was free from it. Christ! The greatest problem with Humanism is that it is based on rationalizing a universal morality. Humans just aren't rational creatures. hee,he,hee.

HYPOCRITES 08
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HYPOCRITES 08 07/12/08 - 06:44 am
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Now I like this particular

Now I like this particular Bizarro. Hee,he,hee.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 07/12/08 - 06:49 am
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Don't tell me I made a

Don't tell me I made a "rational" argument. How un-Bizarroesque of me. Forgive me sir. To err is human(ism). hee,hee,hee. I'm waiting for all the Christians to question my christianity. hee,hee,hee. And the humanist to question my humanity.

DeborahElliott2
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DeborahElliott2 07/12/08 - 07:20 am
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Bizzaro, if the bible says

Bizzaro, if the bible says all men have come short of the glory of God, then we are all sinners and the ONLY remedy is the Blood of Christ, no matter what "religion" you have doesn't change this fact. Jesus is NOT a religion, neither is the Word of God, and that is what most people have confused. I don't need to question your "spirituality" cause that is not my place. My place is to be a light to a world that has never seen or heard of Christ. Since you have obviously heard of Christ, then to you, I can say nothing. You are responsible for your own ways, and God will punish those who do not put their trust in Him. You know what that means, and therefore, solves my argument.

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JesusIsComing 07/12/08 - 07:33 am
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Mr. Windham, A timely letter.

Mr. Windham, A timely letter. I can sense a growing knowledge among believers that the time is short. Of course, all believers have felt this in past centuries but it is for sure than none were closer than we are. I must take issue with one thing you said. "While those of us in the church are suffering from defeat & waiting for the rapture to occur, our whole Christian culture is being destroyed." Believers will never be defeated because the battle is not ours, but the Lord's. We know how this thing is going to end. Yes, we await the rapture of the church but the destruction around us will happen. It is not OUR culture - this is the world & it is not our home. We are to "redeem the times" & to be "salt & light" in a world destined for a continued slide into depravity. We are to preserve what & who we can. The things you mentioned are not things that scare believers but should scare nonbelievers. Our job as believers is to do as you have done, warn others. As Rev. 1:7 says, "Look, he is coming with the clouds, & every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; & all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen." We do not want you to mourn - get ready!

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ZenoElia 07/12/08 - 08:17 am
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Amen Brothers and Sisters.

Amen Brothers and Sisters. Uh, one question Deborah, what is the book of Israel? I think you meant to say Isaiah. The 'being cast down' verse I recall is in Revelation. But Isaiah does mention it also. Just trying to be factual and not mis-lead anyone else who might want to check it out. End times are near. Too much fulfilled prophecy to deny that. Being Light and Salt are parts of our spiritual duties, loving overcomes all opposition though and destroys the strongholds that keep our minds trapped by lies and subtle deceits. And Biz one complaint about your argument: We must oppose others by gentle instruction, obedient example, and in order that one might hear and be saved, we must preach the Word in season and out of season, and if that steps on toes, then we will know which spirit influences those who reject Christ. We shake off the dust and move to the next house, for one plants, another waters, but God gives the increase.

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crazyoldman 07/12/08 - 10:05 am
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A-men, Go tell it on the

A-men, Go tell it on the mountain, go tell it everywhere.

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bone 07/12/08 - 10:06 am
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LMAO. this subject always

LMAO. this subject always bring out the best in some posters.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 07/12/08 - 10:15 am
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Whoah folks I agree with you

Whoah folks I agree with you and we should be salt and we should evanglize. I am as about as puritanical with my faith as anyone can be. We can only plant the seed. It ain't about us and God works in his way and on his schedule-I know it took him a good 4o years before I experienced God. But in order for me to enjoy that freedom I have to tolerate that which I really have no tolerance. I see govt as govt-it will always be corrupt and always be unjust, but I can use it to attain my freedom. In doing so I have to tolerate others having freedoms. I give Caesar his due and no more. Fact is a good majority of Christians I have experienced my whole life have been anything but salt. I have experienced personally more unethical, dishonest, drunken, adulterating , etc, etc, etc, christians a person should ever experience (maybe it is growing up in the South) several were deacons in churchs (had one drunk christian pull a gun on me). (Cont)

Bizarro
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Bizarro 07/12/08 - 10:42 am
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To be honest that was a

To be honest that was a stumbling block most of my life but when the Holy Spirit grabbed a hold of me I could deny him no longer.I wouldn't attend church if not for Christ commands us to do so, because so many people are just flakes. My witness is I am a changed man by all measures, no man could do that. I think we should do as you suggest Zeno on a personal level. I support legal abortion, but I think we should point women to Christ and let him deal with it. I think if we were successful in that regard to abortion then it would be available but little availed. Making abortion a crime is not the solution and I can see situations where a legal abortion might be acceptable. I think we grab the wrong end of a problem. The drug war can't be won by making it illegal and making addicts criminals. It is supply and demand-no demand no supply. Christ can change that scenario I firmly believe. I don't see Christians actions related to abortion pointing people to Christ, in fact seems we are leaving him out of the equation completely.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 07/12/08 - 10:44 am
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Christ said any man who

Christ said any man who divorces and then remarries is an adulterer. The divorce rate is higher in Christians than the normal population. Not much salt there. Should these adulterers be punished as criminals. Yes, lets make it against the law and let them serve twenty years. Drive them out of the churches too. NOT. Where does LOVE fall into the equation. We LOVE and God changes people. If people can't see the love in us how will then even look to see it in Christ. I use to hate most everybody because they were ignorant, undisciplined, selfabsorbed, under-educated, hypocritical, etc.,etc. etc. God showed me I am no different-in fact I am the least. I don't hate people anymore I love them-I have been delivered. God is still working on the anger thang. hee,hee,hee.Shew!!! What a diatribe. My apologies! I will get off my soap box now if I don't fall and break my neck. This is, of course, just my opinion, and I admit I am often wrong. Admittedly my experiences have left me a bit jaded too. But I do love all you folks, even the ones I disagree with and those who are off a bit. I really enjoy the interaction.

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mgroothand 07/12/08 - 12:44 pm
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It is almost amusing to read

It is almost amusing to read these comments to another religious LTE. First, I wish the A/C would relegate these letters to their religious section, the comments would follow there where it belongs. Secondly, I'm sure the commentators are all of the Protestant persuasion where everyone is more self-righteous than the others. I don't know how many Protestant splinter churches there are in te world, must be thousands. At least the Catholics have one thing going for themselves; you're either Catholic or you're not. Let's face it, organized man-made religion is mostly hypocritical from the get-go. Personally, I have a direct line, no need for a mediator.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 07/12/08 - 12:58 pm
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Well some truth to that

Well some truth to that mgroothand, but where can posters go. The AC Forums religion section is just for apologetics and anyone with a faith bent is either lacking in intelligence or sanity. LOL. Perhaps atheist should not be allowed to post in that section so only people of faith can post. That would go over like a led zeppelin. I always tell protestants when you get to heaven that likely both people on either side of you will be Catholic-it is the predominate Christian denomiation.

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DeborahElliott2 07/12/08 - 02:07 pm
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Yes, I did mean Isaiah.

Yes, I did mean Isaiah. Bizzaro, It was never a dispute of what you believe, as I am so glad you have a great understanding of the Word. As Christ even stated, not all who say "Lord, Lord" shall enter the kingdom of Heaven. I didn't mean to make it sound like I put you on the spot either, as it was NOT my intentions.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 07/12/08 - 03:48 pm
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I think about that verse in

I think about that verse in Mathew often Deb (and I think Zeno made the correction). I wonder am I in that group. I pray I am not but I also know I am a work in progress and the Lord has opened my eyes to so many things and I know he is not finished. There is just so much I can grasp at one time. I imagine I will change my mind on many issue as I grow in Christ. You wouldn't believe the difference he has already made. I am almost human. hee,hee,hee.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 07/12/08 - 10:06 pm
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We know you are delusional

We know you are delusional grouse. You don't have to keep saying it.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 07/12/08 - 10:06 pm
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We know you are delusional

We know you are delusional grouse. You don't have to keep saying it.

SargentMidTown
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SargentMidTown 07/12/08 - 10:41 pm
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GodsServices
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GodsServices 07/12/08 - 10:43 pm
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I for one am ready for

I for one am ready for another Spiritual Awakening. If it happens we won't have to worry about people complaining about being pushed into Christianity, we will see them drawn to the Spirit of God by great numbers. The Holy Spirit has to prepare hearts and our part is simply being willing to introduce others to God through His Word and our testimony. There are times when God has interacted in our lives, with experiences that would even make the lottery chances dismal. For example my brother lost his payroll (cash) when he set it on the back of his bumper and drove off down the road. He was so distraught when he realized it was fell of going down the road. He told me, my mom, and grandma about it and when I mustered up enough courage to say lets pray about it (knowing he wasn't going to be to happy about the idea). Well I said it anyway. He told me that I was crazy to think someone would turn in a large sum of cash. Well my brother got it all back with something extra... a tract.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 07/13/08 - 07:29 am
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Grouse why would you say

Grouse why would you say Christianity is delusional. Freud believed faiths were delusional, but psychiatry today does not hold to such nonsense. Religion can be associated with delusions, but it would be fallacious to say religion is delusional. Just like saying because Cain, an atheist, is delusional doesn't make all atheist delusional. Besides Freud's ideas aren't science because none can be falsified. You can't falsify God, and you can say the virgin birth, etc. of Jesus's life could be myth because they can't be falsified. We can falsify the resurrection. Over 500 witnesses saw the resurrected Christ. Just like evolution using an Occam's razor approach (or C.S. Lewis's argument)then we can say he was resurrected from the dead. We can falsify his existence which there is too much evidence to prove his existence. The resurrection of Christ definitely was the seed from which Christianity grew, all the rest could be myth but given the resurrection one has to entertain all he said was Truth. Given less than 4% of the earth are without faith then perhaps those without faith are the delusional. If homosexuality is biological (although to date no evidence stands with impunity it is only a belief) then the same argument would be that all faiths and religions are also biological (memes as Dawkins would argue). Perhaps grouse and his ilk are just a mutation without the faith biology. Given the success of faiths I would argue his mutation has no biological value. hee,hee,hee. Natural selection would hold that faiths serve a greater biological purpose than no faith. Of course the problem with Dawkins is much of his ideas are not falsifiable-you can't test his hypotheses, or they have been proven in error like the sefish gene concept.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 07/13/08 - 12:00 pm
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Bizarro
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Bizarro 07/13/08 - 12:00 pm
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Josephus Flavius the jewish

Josephus Flavius the jewish historian wrote:"About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Messiah. And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, those who had first come to love him did not cease. He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared. " So evidence other than the bible supports Jesus as the Messiah and Resurrected on the 3rd day. How do you rationalize that away grouse without rationalizing history, science, logic and reason.

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willistontownsc 07/14/08 - 10:03 am
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World in need of equality.

World in need of equality. Mr. Windham, you don't get it.

Our culutre of misogyny has led to the downfall of this country. Our government putting their laws on women's bodies have made us one of the worst countries for women to live in, right along with Iran.

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