War opponent is woefully ill-informed

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In reply to John Randolph H. Cain's letter ("We have no choice but to leave Iraq." April 23) I assert we do have choices, but leaving Iraq is not in the best interest of the United States.

Mr. Cain, a rural prognosticator of the future in the Middle East, states that there is no military solution to the conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's possible that his assertion could be true, but to blame the course of action on a "handpicked military commander" is proof that he does not understand the military, or the government of the United States' military matters.

Mr. Cain is big on the perceived failures of the United States and the military. Perhaps it's because he has never tried to help with its apparent success!

Jim McKenzie

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SoonerorLater
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SoonerorLater 04/27/08 - 05:58 am
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BRAVO Mr. McKenzie, and great

BRAVO Mr. McKenzie, and great on point comment about the rural prognosticator. You could have also thrown in enemy sypathizer, left wing anti American blog master, uninformed military analyst with no credentials, and a friend of all that resent what our great country is all about. Cain will play up every issue that runs counter to the American point of view, but does not say anything about homicide bombers, car bombs, beheadings, killing of women and children, using women and children to carry out their bombings, and killing Iraqi citizens (police officer recruits) who are trying to stand up and help their own country. Cain does not understand that when Iraq can stand on its own, the military job is done. But his sympathy and reasoning to support our enemies is dragging out this war, and if he wants to end the war (which he does), he should want the Iraqis to step up and take control of their own destiny. But he just sits in his poor little one room rural shack and blogs on his Augusta Alternative web site (which nobody reads anyway), and spews his venomous crap, cuts and pastes form online leftist forums, and states his opinion as fact and never backs it up when questioned.

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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/27/08 - 06:22 am
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Oh yeah, When Vietnam could

Oh yeah, When Vietnam could stand on its own the job would have been done. Thing is, Vietnam was a civil war. Thing is, Iraq has now become a civil war between Kurds, Sunnis, and Shiites and between Sunni and Sunni and between Shiite and Shiite. When The Great American Decision Maker George W. Bush and his neocon advisers decided to break Iraq they also came to own Iraq which was EXACTLY their plan. Americans were told "When Iraqis stand up the U.S. military will stand down" and "The United States military will stay in Iraq as long as needed and not one day longer." We were told by Commander-in-Chief Codpiece aboard the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln on May 1, 2003 that major combat had ended and "In the battle of Iraq the United States and its allies have been victorious." Every single pretext for the U.S. invasion of Iraq was WRONG. There were no WMD, Saddam did not harbor or support Al Qaeda, and Iraq was not involved in the 9/11/01 attacks on United States. After 5 years and 1 month, $750 billion in up front costs, over 4000 U.S. & 30,000 U.S. wounded & an epidemic of suicide attempts by returning U.S. veterans - the Iraq govt army still has phantom soldiers on its payroll and still cannot stand alone. They never will. Jim McKenzie is a retired Vietnam-era sergeant and RJH is an active duty officer in Iraq nearing retirement who still believes in the false pretenses for war listed above. Don't expect these cats to rock the boat or bite the hand that feeds them. What exactly is "informed", insightful, or honest in what either of these smooth brained individuals wrote? They attack the messenger because the message that United States is bogged down in a costly war it can never win militarily does not sit well with their identity as macho military men.

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Bizarro 04/27/08 - 06:50 am
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No Cain it is not your

No Cain it is not your message. Many have expressed a similar message. You are just plain crazy-it is you they detest. You sound like a dang cockatoo screeching the same thing over and over again.

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ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts 04/27/08 - 06:52 am
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Cain, WHAT qualifies you to

Cain, WHAT qualifies you to judge anyone?

SoonerorLater
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SoonerorLater 04/27/08 - 06:56 am
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Why do you state that the US

Why do you state that the US military kills civilians, women, and children wantonly (a question that JCS has asked you many times) but you never state that the terrorists who kill women, children, bomb markets, bomb police stations, kill Iraqi police recruits, behead those who want to build up their country, and kill those that do not support their point of view. You always call the US military criminals, but you NEVER state anything negative about the terrorists who use mentally disabled women to walk in a crowd with a homicide vest on then detonate it via remote control. You NEVER NEVER state anything negative about them, thus you are an ENEMY SYMPATHIZER. You also state your opinion, then present it as a fact. When questioned, you NEVER answer the quesion (like the one JCS has asked you many times but you have never answered), thus you are a LIAR!!!! Then you go to people's postings and bring them back up again in their absence (yes, I saw where you attacked me and used my quotes in my absence a few days ago). Cain, you are a lowly COWARD, LIAR, and ENEMY SYMPATHIZER. You are a thief, you take something (Freedom, Rights, etc.) that were paid for by OTHERS!!!

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dashiel 04/27/08 - 07:03 am
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Most people who want us to

Most people who want us to remain in Iraq are either in denial or in Israel.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/27/08 - 07:09 am
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YOU damn sure aren't

YOU damn sure aren't expressing the message that United States occupation of Iraq & Afghanistan are illegal, Bizarro. YOU try putting it a nice way to gung-ho U.S. military invaders & their supporters. George W. Bush & Dick Cheney are mean as hell. When Colin Powell or anybody else tried to argue against the use of torture - our screwed up leaders responded that they themselves would just love to get their hands on these detainees. Anyone who argued for reason or for rule of law was made to look wimpish. Face it, United States is being led by a bunch of thugs who are operating outside the Constitution & the rule of law. Anybody who thinks we are winning in Iraq is blind to the facts. Today in Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai barely escaped an assassination attempt right in down town Kabul during a military parade. It's FINE for Jim McKenzie & RJH to hate me. It put my name on my beliefs. It wouldn't be too hard to find my 1910 tenant house in Jefferson County & do me physical harm for being "an enemy sympathizer". United States has gone off the tracks & someone needs to speak truth to power. Nazis & their sympathizers didn't take criticism well either. Hate is the operative word.

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Bizarro 04/27/08 - 07:14 am
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O.K. I'll hold Cain while RJH

O.K. I'll hold Cain while RJH and Jim McKenzie beat the crap out of him. Hee,hee. Dang dudes hold down the hostilities.

SoonerorLater
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SoonerorLater 04/27/08 - 07:16 am
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Cain once again fails to

Cain once again fails to answer the question. So simply put, do you believe our military just kills women and children at will (as yhou have stated in past postings, and JCS asked you this question). And my question, why don't you condemn the terrorists for killing women, children, homicide bombings, using disabled women to walk in a crowd with a vest on then they deteonate it, recuriting kids to be bombers, bombing markets where civilians are just trying to shop, killing police recruits, and beheading and burning people? Do you condemn this, or will you continue to give them a free pass? Lets see if idiot Cain can answer two simple questions or will he evade like he (and the leftist ilk) always does.

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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/27/08 - 07:21 am
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RJH, I am responsible for

RJH, I am responsible for what MY country does. Because some other country or group does worse things does not justify MY country killing innocents & torturing detainees. Anger & revenge got the better part of Americans & their leaders. After 9/11 they wanted revenge. Too bad they didn't capture the perpetrators of 9/11. They let them escape in the Tora Bora Mountains of Afghanistan in December 2001. Then Bush ordered the invasion & occupation of Iraq which had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks & never attacked or threatened United States. You can use every excuse in the world for staying in Iraq, but they are all false just like the pretexts for the invasion of Iraq. This is a damn stupid war, and you RJH, are plenty damn stupid yourself. Yes, this is a PERSONAL attack, but you repeatedly attack me personally. Not every member of the U.S. military is as stupid as you - just the career families - and not even all of them. Retired Army Lt. Col. Andrew J. Bacevich, a professor of history & international relations at Boston University, lost his son in Iraq. Both father & son served this country. The Senior Bacevich opposed this war both before & after his son was killed. NO MORE WAR!

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JohnCarllStrauss 04/27/08 - 07:29 am
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Cain...he asked 2 simple

Cain...he asked 2 simple little questions and you still didn't answer. And you have the nerve to call HIM stupid. I think everyone is on to you. Why don' you just ignore it for a few more posts...then say "What damn question." like you usually do? And the reason RJH doesn't condem the war as being illegal, is because it isn't. THAT is another one of YOUR opinions (or the opinions of those you cut and paste from) that you have repeadedly stated as if it were a fact. When questioned to state what specific law the war violates, and who gives that law making body authority over us, you fail to answer as well. Oh yeah....when are you going to embed with the troops? another lie?

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SoonerorLater 04/27/08 - 07:34 am
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Classic Cain, someone opposes

Classic Cain, someone opposes his view, shoots holes in his theories, or points out that he is wrong and the attacks get personal. That is Cains classic move, and he also FAILED to address the questions, showing that I was right that he will not answer questions and commit himself to a position that is "pro-American".

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Bizarro 04/27/08 - 07:37 am
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Note the cockatoo analogy. He

Note the cockatoo analogy. He is a bird brain. Haw, haw, haw. Note there is no retort because there is no answer. He should be a politician.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/27/08 - 07:37 am
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I saved exactly ONE quote

I saved exactly ONE quote from RJH because it was exceptionally stupid. Here is what an active duty officer in the U.S. military serving in Iraq (and nearing the end of his tour) wrote on Mon Apr 14, 2008: "So I guess you missed the one about the Al Qaeda training camp in Iraq, Iran harboring Al Qaeda members who came in from Afghanistan, and Saddam paying terrorists families in Palestine who would blow themselves up. Saddam trumpeted his WMD's, every democrat stated how we had to go in and take care of him and his WMD's. Intel was wrong on that, or we tipped our hand and they were shuttled in to Syria or buried in the desert, you do not know that so dont say that you do. Sometimes you have to make decisions on partial information, and sometimes you are wrong, right now it is strictly opions on this one. I at least can form my opinion from what I see firsthand, and not take the opinion of someone who has not seen it and adopt that as mine. Thus my opinion Cain is TRULY mine, whereas you have adopted yours from reading and listening to others. This will be my last post for a few hours, I must depart and will be away for a few hours Thanks for the dialogue Cain, CU again soon."

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christian134 04/27/08 - 07:37 am
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Thank you Mr. Mckenzie well

Thank you Mr. Mckenzie well said.....

JohnCarllStrauss
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JohnCarllStrauss 04/27/08 - 07:45 am
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Cain....if you find that to

Cain....if you find that to be an exceptionally stupid quote, then there is truly something going wrong in your brain. WHAT was stupid about it? But first answer the other questions you were asked.

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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/27/08 - 07:48 am
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United States military is not

United States military is not Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch. I support both organizations. Al Qaeda was not in Iraq before United States invaded although RJH cannot accept that documented fact (documented by the 9/11 commission among others). The UN weapons inspectors were on the ground in Iraq doing their jobs in a competent & painstaking manner when Bush ordered them out of Iraq so he could being "Shock & Awe" bombing of Iraq. Commander-in-Chief Codpiece landed a jet on the deck of the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln on May 1, 2003 & proclaimed military victory in the battle of Iraq. It had been the longest, fastest military drive in history. The statue of Saddam was pulled down & Iraqi resistance began almost immediately. But Bush promised that Iraq would turn the corner in a few months, after elections, after a constitution, after Saddam's sons were killed, after Saddam was caught, after Saddam was hanged. Iraq has never become pacified or stabilized because the pretexts for the U.S. invasion were LIES. The motives that Bush gave for the invasion& for the length of the U.S. military occupation were lies. United States intended on staying in Iraq FOREVER, RJH. Stop with "get 'er done" BS!

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JohnCarllStrauss 04/27/08 - 07:50 am
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Prove they were lies....then

Prove they were lies....then for god's sake, answer the other questions. Are they that tough to answer?

JohnCarllStrauss
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JohnCarllStrauss 04/27/08 - 07:53 am
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Were you lying when you said

Were you lying when you said you would go to Iraq? Were you lying when you said Bill Clinton wasn't impeached?

SoonerorLater
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SoonerorLater 04/27/08 - 07:54 am
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When will you answer the

When will you answer the questions?

JohnCarllStrauss
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JohnCarllStrauss 04/27/08 - 07:55 am
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He won't, without exposing

He won't, without exposing himself as a liar.

SoonerorLater
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SoonerorLater 04/27/08 - 08:00 am
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I like the fact that everyone

I like the fact that everyone who reads the paper today will know Cain is woefully ill-informed, that is great advertising (and a fact we already know).

SoonerorLater
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SoonerorLater 04/27/08 - 08:05 am
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And by reading his posts,

And by reading his posts, they will see that Cain is an "extremist war protestor" (posted by Cain on Jan 5, 2007).

JohnCarllStrauss
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JohnCarllStrauss 04/27/08 - 08:09 am
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Think I'll go to the lake

Think I'll go to the lake now. I doubt when I get back, Cain will have answered. He's either too stupid or to dishonest.

SoonerorLater
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SoonerorLater 04/27/08 - 08:11 am
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Why can't he be both? Have

Why can't he be both? Have fun JCS, and a great day.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/27/08 - 08:16 am
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What questions do you want

What questions do you want answered? Ask 1 question. I'll answer that. Then ask another. (BTW, I highly suspect these are the same questions that have been REPEATEDLY asked and answered fully).

SoonerorLater
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SoonerorLater 04/27/08 - 08:20 am
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Look at my 7:16am post, just

Look at my 7:16am post, just like JCS said, you would say "What questions?", and true to form, you did.

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JohnCarllStrauss 04/27/08 - 08:21 am
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Read my 7:29 post. Cain you

Read my 7:29 post. Cain you are as predictable as the tides. What EVIDENCE do you have that the Military intentionall kills innocent civilians. What EVIDENCE do you have that the president lied? What EVIDENCE do you have that the war is illegal? When are you going to embed with the troops.

dashiel
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dashiel 04/27/08 - 08:26 am
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Mr. Cain whips the tin foil

Mr. Cain whips the tin foil hat brigade into yet another stampede.

JohnCarllStrauss
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JohnCarllStrauss 04/27/08 - 08:30 am
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By the way, the Downing st

By the way, the Downing st memos state that the President wanted to remove Saddam from power..NOT that he lied about anything. That was a conclusion Cain just drew himself. Don't bother trying that one.

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