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There's a school in Minnesota where students gather for prayer each day and stay after school for "Islamic studies."

That's not so remarkable. America is home to many private and religious schools.

The thing is, Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy, or TIZA, is neither private nor "religious." It's a public charter school.

School officials claim the prayer is student-led and initiated. That's odd, considering the school was once K-5 -- meaning it supposedly had a bunch of 5- to 11-year-olds with the chutzpah to lead a school in prayer.

It's a ruse, of course, to dupe taxpayers into funding an Islamic school.

"TIZA is skirting the law by operating what is essentially an Islamic school at taxpayer expense," writes Star-Tribune columnist Katherine Kersten. "If TIZA were a Christian school, it would likely be gone in a heartbeat.

She's right -- and courageous for exposing the scam.

Charter schools, as Kersten notes, may do things differently than other public schools, but they are still public schools and must adhere to laws prohibiting the teaching or endorsing of one religion over another.

"TIZA has many characteristics that suggest a religious school," Kersten writes. "It shares the headquarters building of the Muslim American Society of Minnesota, whose mission is 'establishing Islam in Minnesota.' The building also houses a mosque. TIZA's executive director, Asad Zaman, is a Muslim imam, or religious leader, and its sponsor is an organization called Islamic Relief.

"Students pray daily, the cafeteria serves halal food -- permissible under Islamic law -- and 'Islamic Studies' is offered at the end of the school day."

"The prayer I saw was not voluntary," one of the school's substitute teachers told Kersten. "The kids were corralled by adults and required to go to the assembly where prayer occurred."

Belatedly, the Minnesota Department of Education is looking into the school's practices, as is the ACLU.

Of course, as Kersten points out, the investigation would have come a lot sooner, and the ACLU would have been much downright intoxicated with zeal, had this been a Christian school.

The school needs to be de-certified. They can have an Islamic school if they want. But they have no right to reach into taxpayer pockets to pay for it.

Not in the United States we used to know, anyway.

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AsItIs
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AsItIs 04/21/08 - 10:31 am
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How 'bout send us some of

How 'bout send us some of that Texas tape....we've got a runaway named JRHC that sympathizes with ol Palestine Buddy.....

DrGunby68
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DrGunby68 04/21/08 - 10:33 am
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JohnSmith, the point was that

JohnSmith, the point was that faith-based initiatives have no place in our secular democracy. My faith, it's practice and our efforts should always remain outside of govt interference. A famous patriot said that the mixing of govt and religion corrupts both. Bush's initiative was the beginning of this slippery slope. Your party has identified many issues that they will not concede on b/c it is viewed as the beginning of a slide or unintended consequences. As I've said before, kick the theocrats out of the Repub party and you might actually get me to agree on some of your consensus building issues.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/21/08 - 10:38 am
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http://www.590klbj.com/News/S

http://www.590klbj.com/News/Story.aspx?ID=89252
"Man Found Dead in Lake Claimed FBI Tracked Him" [KLBJ radio news] 4/17/2008 The man found floating in Lady Bird Lake Wednesday afternoon claimed on a videotape that he was being targeted by federal agents because he ran the Palestine Children's Welfare Fund out of south Austin. "All of our work is very transparent. We don't work with any militant group or violent group, or anybody with a militant affiliation," said Riad Hamad, in a 2003 interview with freespeech TV. In the 19-minute interview, found online, Hamad says several shipments of used books & clothing had been returned to his home address and on at least one occasion, a neighbor who signed for a package was questioned by a federal agent. "We were hacked really bad," Hamad said. "We called the FBI and they said this is cost of business and would not do anything to help. There were like three different people who gave information about me that I only know." In the video, Hamad says he held several degrees, including Bachelor's and Master's, from the University of Texas and was in the process of completing another. "I don't have an affiliation," he says on the video. "I've been here since 1970. I was never involved in any militant or group that would hurt anybody... something violent." Austin Police Thursday afternoon preliminarily ruled his death a suicide. Hamad's body was found floating in Lady Bird Lake and had been bound with duct tape. Police say the binding was in a manner which he could have done it to himself.

mommie2
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mommie2 04/21/08 - 10:46 am
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JRHC...you sure are

JRHC...you sure are long-winded!

SoonerorLater
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SoonerorLater 04/21/08 - 10:47 am
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What does that have to do

What does that have to do with taxpayer money going to fund Islamic education Cain? Do you think tax money should go to fund education like the kind at the school in Minnesota? Also, you state that other schools recieve this funding as well, prove it Cain, or be known as a LIAR. You are great at cutting and pasting stuff here Cain, but you never can justify your view points and when pressed for answers, your tactics are name calling and insulting others.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 04/21/08 - 11:43 am
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secular democracy? Who lives

secular democracy? Who lives in a secular democracy? America is a republic and the radical secularism taught in our schools is a religion. The religion of the lost. What do you think is triggering the downward spiral of our society. The failed policies of secular socialism have taken root in our country. The lowest common denominator is now the goal of government schools.

PLAYLIKETHUNDER4
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PLAYLIKETHUNDER4 04/21/08 - 11:46 am
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okay cain...i'll say it. i'm

okay cain...i'll say it. i'm all for bashing muslims.i hate them. i hate their stupid philosophies,i hate their mistreatment of women, i hate their politics, and i hate their stupid love of goats.
i hate the left wing saturated ,stick their nose where it ain't wanted aclu, they are one of the ruinations of this country.
this is a christian nation, founded on christian beliefs,and the proof is written in nearly every important document our forefathers penned.
oh,btw, don't give me any crap about christians loving their neighbors...you worry about yopur own soul,your time will get here quicker than you think.

christian134
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christian134 04/21/08 - 12:01 pm
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Enough said

Enough said playlikethunder2..Pretty much sums it up....Although I have to say I think the goats are neat little creatures....:-)

johnsmith
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johnsmith 04/21/08 - 12:02 pm
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gunby, "JohnSmith, the point

gunby, "JohnSmith, the point was that faith-based initiatives have no place in our secular democracy." Leaving aside your profound misunderstanding of the constitution of our country, you are correct on the principle: The government should not be spending tax money or otherwise promoting or giving advantages to proponents of religious messages. Fine. You and I agree. Tell me how in the HELL that has anything to do with your assertion that the Republican (albeit not so conservative) President of the country, has anything to do with a school board in a heavily Democrat state, making the decision to fund, build and support a PUBLIC SCHOOL in which students are forced to pray? You and I agree that this is an appalling, unconstitutional, likely fattening use of taxpayer monies; please answer the actual question I asked you: what could you possibly mean by "Seeth whateth Bush and his faith-based initiatives have wrought?" This is not a Bush initiative or a faith-based initiative. It is a stupid initiative, and it was brought into being by a bunch of liberal, PC idiots who are so anxious to show how tolerant they are, that they are willing to violate what they CLAIM as a core belief.

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johnsmith 04/21/08 - 12:03 pm
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The problem with liberalism

The problem with liberalism is that liberals HAVE no core beliefs. They change from day to day, depending on who can claim to have the most seriously hurt "feelings" today. If I can find anything at all resembling logic in your statement, Gunby, it is with reference to school vouchers. Surely, though, even you will not equate a voucher with what MN is doing? A voucher is when the state tells me: Here, JohnSmith, take back some of your tax money and use it to pay private school tuition. It is, in effect, a tax refund. The reason vouchers have a tough time being enacted is because of knee-jerk, empty-headed liberals jumping up and down and screaming, "They'll use it to pay a Catholic School! Separation of Church and State!" Now, when I get my 'stimulus" check, some of it goes to my church; does THAT violate the 1st Amendment? When I get a voucher (my own $ refunded to me), I can do it as I will. When the school board uses its power of taxation to take my $, and then pays mullahs to indoctrinate little kids, THAT is "respecting establishment of religion." Only liberal dogma, that believes that all money is, potentially, the State's, would prevent you from seeing the difference...

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yikes 04/21/08 - 12:04 pm
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playlikethunder2 sounds like

playlikethunder2 sounds like a hateful Christian, full of hate and threats.

robbie1
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robbie1 04/21/08 - 12:11 pm
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Cain... Is there a point?

Cain... Is there a point? And what does that point have to do with the government funding a religious school?

robbie1
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robbie1 04/21/08 - 12:16 pm
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For those NOT in the know...

For those NOT in the know... A Faith Based Initiative is a means to get charity from the private sector instead of having the government run everything. Local people using the organizations they are already part of to fix thier community. Yea... That does sound dangerous. Thanks for pointing that out, John...

robbie1
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robbie1 04/21/08 - 12:17 pm
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Sorry John... I meant

Sorry John... I meant Gunby...

The_Last_Word
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The_Last_Word 04/21/08 - 12:25 pm
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I love how Cain reports only

I love how Cain reports only one side of the issue. Are we to suppose Riad Hamid will say anything against himself? This guy has been investigated by many agencies for quite some time. He was fired from a community college in 1998 for for allegedly "making racist slurs and sexist jokes in the classroom." He headed up the Palestinian Children's Welfare Fund, which was suspected to be a front group for jihadist organizations. The PCWF worked closely with the Holy Land Trust, a racist organization that raises money for jihadist causes. His web site and web postings glorify child martyrs, incite hatred against Israel, and are not the sort of posting one would expect from an Intermediate School teacher (grammar and spelling were horrible, not to mention his racist views). His death has been ruled a suicide - the tape on his hands and face were said to have been placed there by himself. He was constantly accusing others of hate against Arabs and Muslims and it is suspected that his troubled life came to an end in one last attempt to blame America for his troubles.

robbie1
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robbie1 04/21/08 - 12:29 pm
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About like his post the other

About like his post the other day about a roadside bandit in Afghanistan accusing US soldiers of torutre... I'd take his word over a soldier's any day...

KSL
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KSL 04/21/08 - 12:31 pm
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Thanks TLW for adding

Thanks TLW for adding additional information.

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Michael Ryan 04/21/08 - 12:52 pm
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I for one hope Muslims aren't

I for one hope Muslims aren't intimidated into silence. I would think they would be the first to join us in condemning violence done in their name.

christian134
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christian134 04/21/08 - 01:04 pm
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fromathens it will just be

fromathens it will just be okay.....we are all just talking for the most part....I am Christian..uh hey and wow I still have opinions....go figure....All I can say it most of us are just trying to do the best we can in a world that by all description has gone beyond insane....:-)

yikes
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yikes 04/21/08 - 02:51 pm
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christian134... do Christians

christian134... do Christians condone people that espouses hate and then writes "you worry about your own soul, your time will get here quicker than you think."?

DrGunby68
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DrGunby68 04/21/08 - 03:22 pm
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PT, secular democracy was not

PT, secular democracy was not used as a descriptor with two parts. It was ONE adjective that describes our democracy. Not all the adjectives that could be used to describe our democracy. My interpretation of secular means that the govt promote no particular religion over any other or no religion at all. Johnsmith, I'm simply asserting that Bush's faith-based initiatives, 2nd by rosie, were an escalation in the transfer of public funds to pvt sector religious orgs. And yes I agree that they may be doing good things with that money, but once you start giving one money, you open yourself up to having to give all of them money. Churches should operate on their own budgets and merits. I'm not claiming that religious orgs never received funds before, but it has ramped up tremendously during Bush's tenure.

christian134
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christian134 04/21/08 - 03:26 pm
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Actually his term of hate in

Actually his term of hate in connection with sin and the subsequente consequenses of sin which is hatred of a whole nation filled with Americans-no matter the race, color or creed- we are at war with people who teach this sort of thinking..Not all but many of the Muslims support this mean thinking...a thinking that has been targeted at Americans for many many years....As far as worry about your own soul may not be stated all that well but Cain is a person who would drive any normal person to the edge..We are ultimately all responsible for our own eternal salvation...I am for mine, you for yours and so on. We don't really know when our time is at hand so I believe all we can do is try to live life as best we can while the insanity continues....Don't worry so about one statement.It diverts from the real subject at hand.The United States is at a point where Americans are going to be arrested one day for being American...You say.."Oh that can't happen"...I say in the climate of today's society anything that can happen will happen. Look where the politically correct have placed our God...on the shelf but I know He is in control.

JohnCarllStrauss
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JohnCarllStrauss 04/21/08 - 04:10 pm
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If you ask Cain a question

If you ask Cain a question enough times he will just respond with something like "what damn quesiton?" in a stupid attempt to act like he didn't read the quesiton 8 or 10 times. That leads me to the conclusion that he is either in a serious state of denial, stupid, or just a liar. I tend to believe more on the side of just a liar, since he has been caught in so many lies in the past. Hows the embedded reporting in Iraq going, Cain?

JohnCarllStrauss
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JohnCarllStrauss 04/21/08 - 04:12 pm
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One thing you can count on

One thing you can count on Cain for, is that he will suport ANY enemy of the United States. He backs up radical Islam, he backed up the "fort dix six", be backed up Iraq when they shot at our planes, and he backed up William Ayers terrotistic acts, knowing full well that Ayers has no remorse and that he wishes he could have killed more people. That is why I have come to the conclusion that John Randolph Hardison Cain is an enemy of The United States of America, and could be convicted of providing comfort to the enemy.....a crime punishable by death.

DrGunby68
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DrGunby68 04/21/08 - 05:06 pm
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Easy now JCS...if you take

Easy now JCS...if you take his free speech (1st amendment), he should be able to take your gun (2nd amendment)...

JohnCarllStrauss
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JohnCarllStrauss 04/21/08 - 05:10 pm
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I have no intent of taking

I have no intent of taking anyones free speech, but there is a thing called providing aid and comfort to the enemy. And theres a thing called responsible speech......and good luck taking my 2nd! lol

DrGunby68
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DrGunby68 04/21/08 - 05:12 pm
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That's funny JCS...I don't

That's funny JCS...I don't want to try to take anyone's guns from them...you see, in a statistically signifcant way, there is a direct correlation between trying to take someone's gun and getting shot...funny how that works !!

JohnCarllStrauss
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JohnCarllStrauss 04/21/08 - 05:23 pm
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Would that ratio be somewhere

Would that ratio be somewhere around 1-1?

KSL
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KSL 04/21/08 - 05:37 pm
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Y'all are too funny.

Y'all are too funny.

JohnCarllStrauss
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JohnCarllStrauss 04/21/08 - 06:15 pm
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The ACES condems public

The ACES condems public funded religion, and does Cain praise them? Nope..... he only condems the public funding of Christianity. What's wrong with this sorry excuse for a man?

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