Now they ignore Haditha

I believe it's time for Cain to pipe in on how evil the US is and various other Anti-American spewing.

You damn right I'll "pipe in", Popeye! The dismissals of case after case of U.S. soldiers charged with homicides is why the term "military justice" is an oxymoron. The military & the Bush/Cheney war regime's strategy is first to say "let's don't rush to judgment, these men are innocent until proven guilty". Then public furor dies down as month after month whittle away. Then defense lawyers get charges reduced. Prosecutors offer plea bargains. In the end only low ranking personnel get convicted of anything & that is seldom. Everything get swept under the rug. It happened at Abu Ghraib. It happened at Haditha. I documented case after case where this happened in 5 years since United States illegally invaded & occupied Iraq. The Chronicle then erased its bulletin board. The major news networks are guilty of being American corporations with American biases. Even ABC which broke the story that Bush knew & approved of the highest members of his "administration" meeting to authorize torture has failed to follow up. Yes, the news networks have caved. Americans collective memory is short. Money is the bottom line, not justice. Soldiers continue to commit homicides because they are put in dangerous no-win situations. United States continues to kill innocent civilians as a consequence of fighting a guerrillas force using our superior technology (with bombs & rockets from U.S. aircraft). United States continues to illegally occupy Iraq. President George W. Bush is a war criminal.

This is none other than the media along with political pressure to appease the many by throwing the military under the bus. It has happpened before and sadly probably will happen again. At least this time the brave young men will be able to get on with their lives knowing that what they did was just the right thing to do.....My word to those who stand ready to condemn our brave men and women I say....Walk in their shoes, stand and be ready to die, watch and listen to the sounds of war, buddies being ripped apart but having to remain in control to get the job done......Do this then come back and let's talk....

The endless lies printed by the left wing press seemed to blend in with the endless lies of the Haditha non-incident. More political moves to support their allies in the left wing of the Democrat party where false stories lead to votes from headline readers. Those of us that stay informed knew this was another hate America story to make the Republicans look bad. All it did was support the enemy with propaganda opportunities and make the MSM look as slanted as they are. Unfortunately, the uninformed and misinformed make up another group concerned Americans have to defend against. Stories like this make Democrats and their willing allies in the press seem more hate filled and anti-military. (as though it's possible)

What is in your pipe Cain? Isn't the American court system based upon "innocent until proven guilty"? But the military says that and you claim that as a "regime strategy". Is that also not commonplace in civilian law, where charges are bargained and reduced and plea bargains are offered? Essentially the military court system operates in parrallel with the civilian court system, with minor modifications made for the specific differences between military and civilian personnel. It did not happen at Abu Graib, senior level officers were reprimanded and careers damaged, this is swept under the rug? Would you be happy if they all were lined up and shot like would happen in Iraq under Sadam, North Korea, Iran, Venezuela (take your pick of rogue states). You documented every case, then blame the AC for wiping their bulletin boards, did you not keep copies of your own rantings? I did not know the AC was responsible for the Cain anti American rantings arhive backups. Money is more important than justice, if that is the case, what say on a death sentence we have a firing squad ready to shoot, instead of spending millions of dollars to house the guilty. Classic rhetoric from Cain!!!

christian134, United States leadership & the American people should not put our men & women in no-win, morally compromised situations like the illegal war in Iraq. EVERY pretext for war proved false. After 5 years we aren't "getting the job done". This is an endless, bloody slog of a political war until sane people put an end to it. United States is the aggressor in Iraq. This much is true about Haditha. An IED killed a U.S. Marine. After that 24 civilians included women & children were killed by Marines & AFAIK not one of the supposed "shooters in nearby buildings" was killed or apprehended. What you have here is war buddies covering for war buddies. They testified that they "thought" they heard sniper fire. The military is not anxious to make examples of these errant Marines. Only one Sgt. Frank Wuterich still faces any charges at all & those are severely reduced. The whole thing is a cover-up. I don't blame the grunts. I blame the people who put this Marine squad & every other combat patrol in a no-win, morally compromised position. Remember this massacre happened on 19 Nov 2005. It's been 2 years & 5 months - far beyond the short term memory of American consumers of mass media.

See what we have to look forward to the next 100 years? As the surge continues to fail, and Iraqi soldiers refuse to fight, the quagmire remains unchanged. Iraq is no closer to being able to defend itself, or govern itself than 3 years ago. The people of Iraq want the US to leave, and show that in their unwillingness to kill fellow Iraqi's. 100 more years. Very appealing.

RJH, a short termer serving in Iraq who is "keeping his head down" so he survives his tour of duty checks in with his authoritative assessment. I make my argument based on a whole series of dismissed charges against U.S. soldiers in Iraq. There is a PATTERN. The cases are allowed to languish until public furor subsides. Then charges are reduced, pleas are agreed to & everybody except dead Iraqis go away more or less happy. Everything gets buried in heaps of subsequent news & reams of paper & old news stories. Every major news network & newspaper has on file accounts of all cases brought against U.S. service personnel. TV news network operate on ratings. Keeping U.S. atrocities in the public eye isn't good for their bottom line. Justice is up to the justice system. I pay pretty close attention to civilians killed by the U.S. military in Iraq. The conviction rate is very low. I'm not for locking soldiers up for life. They need to be rehabilitated. We are the ones who put them in impossible situations. I blame the higher up including the President, Vice President, former National Security Adviser Dr. Condoleezza Rice, former SecDef Donald Rumsfeld & former Sec of State Colin Powell.

Cain, I counter your arguments and you cant dispute anything I said, typical response from you where you cant answer the tough questions. When pressed with questions, you smoke screen by lambasting the other side with your points of view that hold little weight and are picked to pieces with counter arguments. In my post above I took each of your comments and presented a flaw in them, and you cannot address that but with further blather and rantings of bitter old man behind the keyboard who is a 60's leftover draft dodging junior college graduate hippie. Why is it Cain, when someone counters your arguements, you cannot further backup your claims with logical discussion instead of post LSD/acid trips from your junior college days back in the 60's. Your opinions come from behind the keyboard, browing the latest Huffington and Daily Kook articles, then skillfully using your mouse you cut and paste and WALA, Cain has spewed his opinion!!!! Whereas, I have SEEN, and HEARD, and LIVED all those things you rant against, and yes, unlike your leftist elitist Hillary, I must keep my head down so that I can make it back to Augusta soon and continue to speak out against your insane rants.

Cain, I guess it never occurs to you that you could actually be wrong. Lose the hate.

shivas, your posts prove my point. Thank you for your timely contribution.

Cain..Shivas are cast from the same mold like so many others today...Others who stand ready, sitting in the comfort of their homes on computers, to crucify, demean and degrade this country and the fine men and women who daily sacrifice for your safety and mine along with future generations. You people need to get your mouths and minds in order so that you can actually become contributing citizens of this nation. If you people can't do this then be quite....Have any of you every heard the phrase..."If you cant't find something postive to say then don't say anything"? Back to just Cain and Shivas for a moment.....If you can provide proof positive that your thoughts and ideas are actually apart of your job description then maybe you will at least be heard without the disdain that you meet with each day....I didn't say I would agree but at least I might listen for a moment....:-)

Why would anyone ever respond to Cain? I stopped reading his posts after just a few visits here. When you seem to know everything about everything you tend to lose credibility on anything.

While Cain claims to know everything anti-American, reading his posts exposes his severe mental and emotional problems. I find him irritating, but I also pity him. I find his comments to be contradictory and based on foolish personal nightmares. I hope he seeks help.

Thanks, Augusta Chronicle Editorial Staff, for printing the truth.

"It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience."
- Julius Caesar

my son is in iraq, and i trust his first hand views over anyone's. i could care less if the american forces killed the whole damn iraqi nation...their total contribution to the world as we know it amounts to flea crap. it's past time the muslim world , with all it's fanatic stupidity either got smart or got gone....the latter would at least guarantee that in the next day or so , another group of their own innocent people would not be killed by some fanatical idiot with a pipe bomb strapped to his behind. but of course a stupid ,misinformed, anti-american,traitor and enemy sympathizer like cain and his ilk don't want to talk about those folks....say,what can be done to get people like cain arrested and tried for treason?
if anyone knows please post it.
during wwii,etc. people like you would not have dared spew forth your enemy sympathizing drool....you'd a paid one hell of a price...as it is my son and his fellow heroes are paying the price so you can be free to be stupid....i'll thank him for you, but just in case,god willing (you know the christian god) , he will be home in august,maybe you want to thank him in person....you think? i doubt it , as you aren't man enough to...

playlikethunder2, I'm grateful for your son's service. However, his service includes a pledge to defend the constitution which guarantees Cain a right to speak his opinion.

RJH, presents himself as "logical" & "cool headed". How come I & another "dirty effing hippy" both knew even earlier than when we met at our annual family beach vacation in June 2003 that the U.S. war in Iraq " would come to no good end"? If you are so smart & REASONABLE, RJH, why haven't YOU figured it out yet? "Careers damaged" by Abu Ghraib? How tragic, RJH. Tell that to the Iraqi general who was tortured to death in Abu Ghraib. A U.S. intelligence officer sat on the man's chest while he suffocated to death inside a sleep bag during "interrogation". The Bush "administration" sanctioned & authorized such abuses. 108 detainees have died in U.S. custody. George W. Bush LIED to the American people in the fall of 2005 "We do not torture". "Military justice" is an oxymoron because: AP Fri Dec 14 2007 - A Marine reservist who killed an Iraqi soldier was sentenced Friday to a bad-conduct discharge but will serve no more time behind bars, a Camp Pendleton spokeswoman said. Lance Cpl. Delano Holmes, 22, of Indianapolis, also was reduced in rank to private. Holmes could have faced up to 8 more years of confinement, but was sentenced only to the 10 mos he had already spent in the brig.// ~~~cont'd~~~

Cain, why is it your posts present an attitude that the US is always at fault for everything wrong with the world?

"Military justice" is an oxymoron because: Reuters 31 Dec 2007 - Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich, the accused leader in the 2005 killings of 24 Iraqi civilians in Haditha, will face voluntary manslaughter charges but not more serious murder charges, the U.S. Marines said on Monday.// Washington Post - Jan 4, 2008 - After a two-year investigation into the killings of up to 24 civilians in Haditha, Iraq, the Marine Corps has decided that none of the Marines involved in the incident will be charged with murder. Instead, two enlisted Marines and two Marine officers will face trial in coming months for the killings and for failing to investigate them.// By David Morgan Reuters 10 Jan 2008 - The only U.S. Army officer to face a court-martial over the scandal at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison has been cleared of any criminal wrongdoing in the case, the Army said on Thursday.// AP Fri 29 Feb 2008 - The Camp Pendleton court-martial of a Marine squad leader accused of crimes in an attack that killed 24 Iraqis has been postponed indefinitely.// ~~~cont'd~~~

Lose the hate Cain.

~~~cont'd~~~ "Military justice" is an oxymoron because: Los Angeles Times March 29, 2008 CAMP PENDLETON -- Involuntary manslaughter charges were dropped Friday against a 27-year-old Marine lance corporal who had faced trial in connection with the Marine killings of 24 civilians in Haditha, Iraq, in 2005. Stephen B. Tatum, who also no longer faces charges of reckless endangerment and aggravated assault, will be compelled to testify in the court-martial of Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich, his former squad leader.// AND THE FIRST "PRIVATE CONTRACTOR" TO BE CHARGED & TRIED FOR CRIMES IS AN IRAQI NOT SOMEONE FROM BLACKWATER USA WHO KILLED 17 IRAQI CIVILIANS IN SEPT 2007: AFP Sat Apr 5, 2008 - A translator working with the US military in Iraq has been charged with stabbing another civilian contractor and will be tried under US military law, the military said on Saturday. The translator, named as Alaa "Alex" Mohammad Ali, is the first person to be charged under a new law allowing the American military to prosecute civilian contractors.

Pointstoponder the problem with your comment is that you are riding the fence. That part of the constitution has been overplayed and overcooked so to speak. If one of your sons or daughters were fighting to protect this country and someone spoke what you have just said you would be incensed or at the very least should be upset. Words can make or break another person or a people's faith....Words are powerful and in the wrong hands are just as dangerous as an atom bomb....Think about that the next time you speak out so quickly hold up for the likes of "a Cain".

Christian, supporting the constitution is not riding the fence. Like it or not (and I agree with very little in Cain's posts), freedom of speech is not for a select few. Supporting free speech for only those we agree with is not what this country was founded on.

And Cain still continues to NOT answer questions of him to justify his point. He thinks money is more important than justice, he supports civil disobediance, he thinks people are guilty until proven innocent, he thinks the AC should archive his rants and looney accusations, the news networks are American corporations you idiot (ABC is AMERICAN Broadcasting Corp). He thinks soldiers commit homicides, but says nothing about the crazy bombers who enter religious ceremonies and funerals and blow people up. Soldiers need to be rehabilitated, what a crock from someone who dodged the draft to go to junior college and who has no idea what it is like to be on guard for your life each day, life is very safe behind his keyboard and can say whatever he pleases as the lunatic behind the curtain. 108 detainees, how about the thousands of innocent people killied by homicide bombers, truck and car bombs, those people perpetrating those crimes share a trait with you, pure cowards. Cain cuts and pastes ONLY those things that support his warped and traitorous view, sympathizing with cold blooded killers who would slit his throat and cut his head off given the chance.

Cain... Now that you have read and re-read your entire Code Pink bumpersticker collection, let me fill you in on something. The one thing you are correct about is that military justice IS an oxymoron. Most of us that have had to deal with it call it the Military Injustice Sytem. The reason for this, is that once someone finds themselves in the crosshairs of military justice, they very rarely escape untoutched. If the charges against these guys have been reduced, its because the military figured out they didn't have the evidence to convict them. Now to your generalizations about us committing homicide every day and commanders covering it up... Stop watching "Platoon". That was a movie. As far as the media being part of the conspiracy and the proof being AC deleting your "evidence"... I have heard from reliable sources that if you wrap your head in aluminum foil, "They" won't be able to read your thoughts anymore.

The Constitution grants Cain the right to speak, but at the same time, it grants us the right to ignore him.

The constituion of this country gives everyone the right to be as stupid as they want to be. One caveat, freedom of speech is not accompanied by freedom from consequences of that speech.

yeah pointstoponder,i was in the army 1973-1974....do you rememer the very first "oil embargo"? saudi arabia thought thety would hold us hostage over oil . the great president we had at that time, nixon, put the squelch on that and we didn't even have to mount up....as far as upholding the constitution, it says to defend against all enemies foriegn and domestic....cain and his ilk are domestic enemies....it's just that simple...so what colors are you wearing today?