The Axis of Good

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Leave it to San Francisco to include nudists in the protesters chasing the Olympic torch on its worldwide run.

A pro-Tibet demonstrator yells at pro-China protesters before the Olympic torch came through San Francisco.  Associated Press
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A pro-Tibet demonstrator yells at pro-China protesters before the Olympic torch came through San Francisco.

If you exclude the nudists -- who want a return to the more traditional "clothes optional" version of the Greek Olympics -- the protests against China have been exceedingly moving and meaningful, though sadly violent at times. And they've brought more attention to China's oppression of Tibet than Richard Gere ever could (even when the American actor is "speaking for the entire world").

It's also delicious to note that the protests happening in Paris, London, San Francisco and elsewhere would never be tolerated in China, where a billion people are basically told to sit down and shut up.

But you have to wonder: Do folks only protest when it's fashionable?

Why aren't people protesting Iran's nuclear-tipped war-mongering and pledges to wipe Israel off the map? Instead, the Iranian president gets a speaking engagement at Columbia University.

What about Islamic extremism? The military junta's imprisoning of freedom activist Aung San Suu Kyi in Burma? The despots in Venezuela, Cuba and elsewhere?

There are lots of things in this world that need protesting, and not just when it's fashionable. True peace activists, for example, don't just protest war after it breaks out; they help prevent war in the first place by protesting injustice and evil, and marshaling the world's condemnation for nonviolent change. It's the model of Gandhi, the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., Pope John Paul II and other great men of peace and justice.

Some believe the Mideast is headed for yet another war, as early as this summer. Now is the time to avoid it. The world must stand united against Iranian aggression -- including through its proxies, such as Hezbollah -- and its naked nuclear ambition, seen on parade as the centrifuges make their way to Tehran.

For some reason, working for peace never seems all that fashionable. Why can't there be an "Axis of Good"?

You have to wonder: If a centrifuge were being run to Iran in a relay, would the world take notice and protest it?

Or would we wait until it's too late?

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christian134
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christian134 04/13/08 - 04:47 am
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My question is what in the

My question is what in the world was the Olympic community thinking when they came up with the idea of holding the Olympics in Communist China in the first place? As far as San Francisco the nudist entering the protest is just to be expected.....:-) World wide violence has been set in motion many years ago and sadly,in my opinion, it is quickly coming into full bloom so to speak....God help us all...

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/13/08 - 06:31 am
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Do you REALLY want an honest

Do you REALLY want an honest answer, or is this another Augusta Chronicle politically partisan polemic unfettered by expectations of actually learning anything or evolving intellectually? The reasons this particular cause, support for Tibet, is "fashionable" is because of the statue of the Dalai Lama. We could digress on his "celebrity" status & the implications of that on western culture in general & American culture in particular, but he is recognized as a sincere spiritual leader who preaches & practices PEACE. The issue of Tibet is a clear moral imperative because China is a giant & Tibet is such a tiny country. United States should sense similar sentiments for how its foreign policy is perceived when it comes to matters of size & strength. I never understood why United States granted (or renewed) China's most favored nation trading status after the Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989. Human rights should be the centerpiece of U.S. foreign policy. China seems to be almost as obsessed about its national security as United States. China has diverse populations to manage within its contiguous empire while United States is bent on maintaining its supreme superpower status worldwide.

SoonerorLater
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SoonerorLater 04/13/08 - 06:45 am
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Never let an article by where

Never let an article by where Cain seizes the opportunity to bash the United States. Cain, we have open borders, you can LEAVE and find a place more to your liking. May I suggest North Korea, Cuba, Zimbabwe, China, Iran, Syria, or any other country of your choosing. Try ranting the way you do here and you will find yourself in a prison cell never to be seen or heard from again.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/13/08 - 06:50 am
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From the perspective of the

From the perspective of the American Establishment which has become dependent on a war-based economy, there simply is no money to be made from advocating & supporting human rights, but their is plenty of money to be made from fabricating & hawking weapons of war. United States is the world's Number One arms dealer. I was somewhat aghast when the Dalai Lama went to the White House to receive an award from President Bush. To his credit the Dalai Lama does seek "the middle way". I read today that The Pope, interestingly, does not plan to attend the White House dinner in his honor. Good move IMO! Where are American Christian leaders speaking out about the immoral & illegal U.S. war in Iraq? Martin King spoke out against the U.S. war in Vietnam from a moral perspective. It is interesting to note the issues which The Chronicle editorial staff thinks are worthy of protest. They are all Republican causes! This cocksure American mentality is deeply rooted in the idea of American exceptionalism. The radical right dismisses any talk of moral relativism in favor of moral absolutism, but there are few issues that are clearly black or white. United States is not always right or always wrong. Almost all issues are highly nuanced & require give & take to reach a workable consensus.

SoonerorLater
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SoonerorLater 04/13/08 - 07:46 am
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I never said or alluded to

I never said or alluded to "love it or leave it" but Cain is always hell bent on taking every opportunity to bash the United States. I am merely saying if he abhors this country so much, he has the distinct freedom to leave. Clearly he does not see that we have a problem with our borders and trying to keep those who do not come here legally OUT, we have no issues with keeping people IN this country. The same cannot be said for his beloved NK, Cuba, and other countries with repressive regimes. You are free to speak your mind in the venue, but when all you have to say is negative things about this country, then the impression you give is one of distaste for the country. What if a co-worker constantly spewed negative venom about you personally, time and time again, and nothing positive to say about you, would you think that person did not like you? I would say you would have to agree to that point. So when Cain and others BASH the US (which is not perfect by far, but certainly not as evil as you portray her) at every chance, you kind of get the feeling they do not like this country. Thus my analogy is, if I do not like a movie, I am leaving. If you dont like the country......

WHATDIDIDO
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WHATDIDIDO 04/13/08 - 07:53 am
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We have open Borders, you can

We have open Borders, you can leave and find a place, more to your liking". Sounds like love it or leave it to me. Because you do not like the messenger, does not mean his point is not valid concerning China.

robartbyrrd
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robartbyrrd 04/13/08 - 08:22 am
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Did the US choose China for

Did the US choose China for the Olympics? If not, why The US bashing?

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/13/08 - 08:32 am
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China's human rights record

China's human rights record is abysmal, but United States is operating as an international pariah as well. The Guantanamo detention facility, where terror suspects have in some cases been held for longer than 6 years without facing charges or being brought to trial, coupled with CIA "black site" prisons in Afghanistan, eastern Europe & various other locations around the world, has been appropriately compared to Soviet gulags. American patriots & apologists like RJH take GREAT offense at this comparison, BUT IT IS TRUE. Our President told us in Nov 2005 "We do not torture" but that was a LIE! ABC News & others report that beginning in 2002 President Bush knew his National Security Council met to discuss how to treat terror suspects. They signed off on extreme measure including waterboarding WHICH AMOUNTS TO TORTURE. 108 detainees have died in U.S. custody. The NSC took great pains to insulate The President, but yesterday Bush acknowledged he knew about the meetings & approved of them. UNITED STATES DOES TORTURE. Vice President Cheney, then National Security Adviser Dr. Condoleezza Rice, then SecDef Donald Rumsfeld & then Sec of State Colin Powell all signed off on authorizing torture. The White House in effect authorized war crimes. The National Lawyers Guild wants then White House legal counsel John Yoo disbarred.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/13/08 - 08:47 am
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At least The Augusta

At least The Augusta Chronicle editorial staff (ACES) can't complain that I'm taking a popular or "fashionable" position!

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dinohntr 04/13/08 - 08:53 am
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For JRHC - define torture.

For JRHC - define torture. The Congress of the United States could not even define what torture is and what is coersive interrogation.

Second - China's human rights abuses are against anyone who speaks out against their regime. The detainees in GITMO are suspected of being terrorist or tied to terrorism. Since most are not U.S. citizens, I have a hard time giving them all the rights of a U.S. citizen.

While it is true that the United States should make every effort to act in a highly moral way, the moral high ground approach should ot become a suicide pact. Abraham Lincolen suspended some civil rights during the Civil War because he thought it was needed. Yet he is considered one of the greatest presidents. If he was president today, he would be vilified if he even mentioned that such steps are needed.

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crackerjack 04/13/08 - 08:55 am
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America "Love It of Leave It"

America "Love It of Leave It"

JRHC.............Let your clutch out!

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/13/08 - 09:13 am
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From Wikipedia: Torture,

From Wikipedia: Torture, according to the United Nations Convention Against Torture, is "any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions." ... Torture is prohibited under international law and the domestic laws of most countries; however, Amnesty International estimates that 75% of the world's governments currently practice torture.// Waterboarding is torture. Stress positioning is torture. Sleep deprivation is torture. Exposure to extreme temperatures is torture. Physical assault including slapping or punching detainees is torture. Threatening family members, including threatening a detainee's children, is torture.

SoonerorLater
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SoonerorLater 04/13/08 - 10:11 am
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Cain, your posts are

Cain, your posts are considered torture then, to read them is very painful to see that you are so blind to the real world and the dangers that we face. If it was up to you, just as you said the other day, we should just issue arrest warrants. Do you not realize that the Islamafacists want to KILL you, do not listen to reason, and dont care what you think about it. You want to try to reason with someone who thinks if they kill themselves they will get 72 virgins in heaven, my God Cain, pull your head out and see the real dangers of this world. You want to negotiate with and talk to terrorists, who would kill you with no second thoughts. The detainees are not US citizens, thus they are not afforded any rights to the Constitution, but liberal leftist bleeding hearts such as yourself would have them tried in our court system. You say nothing of them cutting off heads, killing women and children, and using weaker individuals to manipulate to do their dirty work. It is never the leaders who want to be martyrs, they are to cowardly. War is hell Cain, and so are the tactics necessary to obtain victory. If you are not prepared for this fight, then kneel, face the east.....

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/13/08 - 10:38 am
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I think much of what you

I think much of what you write is Islamophobic BS, RJH. Americans have been brainwashed by lots of war propaganda. Demonizing the enemy happens in every war. The simpleton George W. Bush, whose capacity for denial regarding the failures of his war in Iraq is limitless, tried to tell us that terrorists in the Middle East hate us because we are free & because we are a democracy. Bush never mentions their expressed reasons for fighting us. Osama bin Laden says he fights us not because of our freedoms but because we support the corrupt royal family in Saudi Arabia & because we occupy Arab & Muslim lands. He is intent on expelling foreign invaders. OBL fought to expel the Soviets from Afghanistan. Now we are the occupiers. OBL says he got the idea to strike tall buildings in United States after he saw U.S.-made Israeli jets bombs Beirut in 1982 which set tall buildings on fire. OBL says he wanted Americans to know how it feels. Songs like "Have you forgotten" make it clear how Americans feel when we are attacked. Palestinians, Lebanese, Iraqis, Afghans & Pakistanis feel similarly when they are attacked. You are a victim of disinformation RJH when you parrot contrived terms like "Islamofascist". It is war propaganda.

pofwe
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pofwe 04/13/08 - 11:11 am
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Who cares if we torture our

Who cares if we torture our enemies in order to extract information that could save American lives? I DON'T!!

SoonerorLater
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SoonerorLater 04/13/08 - 11:23 am
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Cain, you have your head

Cain, you have your head buried so deep. Do you not see the death and destruction the barbric terrorists reign on those that simply disagree with them? Why are you so sympathetic to all that is anti American? Propaganda my [filtered word], that stuff is real and when you see the dead bodies, burned, heads cut off, children, women, innocent people just wanting to get along in life. And you have the audacity to excuse them away, you are justifying their actions, denying the terroristic acts they perpetrate against other innocents. My God Cain, you have no shame, sympathy for others except for the evil doers. It is people like you who give them hope, all the sympathy people like you have for them gives them hope. I have been over Cain, and right now I am still in theater, so I am in the ring while you sit in the cheap seats and spew that crap from behind your keyboard. I have seen it live and in person, and when I listen to people like you talk your crap it literally makes me sick to know that people who sit and do nothing have so much to say when my eyes tell me different. A picture is worth a thousand words, and what I see and what I know is much more than the crap you spew.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/13/08 - 11:40 am
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"Evil doers". You parrot more

"Evil doers". You parrot more war propaganda, RJH. I care whether United States tortures or not, pofwe. There is NO EVIDENCE that torture works or has saved American lives. Those being tortured will say anything to get the torture to stop. I see the death & destruction that United States has rained down on Iraq. Even John McCain admits deaths are "in the hundreds of thousands" since United States invaded Iraq in March 2003 UNDER KNOWN FALSE PRETENSES. Dunderheads pofwe & RJH forget that Iraq had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the attacks of 9/11/01. 15 of the 19 hyjackers were from Saudi Arabia. NONE was from Iraq. I'm not excusing terrorism, but terror is a tactic used by the weaker side in asymmetric warfare. American revolutionaries were accused of using terror against British forces because they did play by the rules of war then in effect. So you are "in theater" RJH. Are you blogging on the military's time, your free time, or are you a "private contractor"? Do you speak Arabic? Do you interact with the people of Iraq in any manner other than when you are armed & the occupier who dominates their country? Do you understand the history, culture, religion & political undercurrents of Iraq? I bet not!

The_Last_Word
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The_Last_Word 04/13/08 - 05:49 pm
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A Cain fairy tale: Once upon

A Cain fairy tale: Once upon a time Osama Bin Laden was sitting in his cave thinking about going to plant daisies in the US. When all of a sudden an airplane made in the US & driven by an Israeli pig fired on a tall building in Beirut. The tall building burst into flames. Osama then dropped his daisies & said, "I will not plant daisies in the US, I will not bless the infidels with my beautiful plants. The pigs & monkeys who drive the planes from the US must be made to pay. But I cannot attack the pigs & monkeys because they are too strong. I cannot attack the planes or warships because the US will destroy me & though I like to make martyrs of everyone else, I am simply unsure of the whole 70 virgins theory. Therefore, I will select 20 men of little intelligence, promise them each 70 virgins, send them to flight school in the US (if only we had not vowed to remain in the Stone Age in our countries), & then instruct them to fly into the tall buildings. Perhaps next year I can think of planting daisies in Britain or Spain." And so Osama Bin Laden did just that. All but one of his martyrs made it to hell. The other one was delayed in a US jail - but he will be there soon. They did each receive 70 virgins, however, they were all 100 years old and you know what Middle eastern women look like over age 50. Even the Burkas did not help. The end.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/13/08 - 06:53 pm
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Damn, you kneejerks are

Damn, you kneejerks are obsessed with those virgins! Osama bin Laden himself said Beirut is where he got the idea to strike tall buildings in United States. United States worked directly or indirectly with OBL in Afghanistan during the 1980s to expel Soviet invaders. United States found the fiercest most radical warriors they could to fight the Soviets - the Mujahideen - "Holy Warriors". They were OUR GUYS in Afghanistan in the 1980s. United States got what it wanted when the Soviets were forced out & quickly forgot about Afghanistan. Some of the Mujahideen morphed into the Taliban. Now United States is the foreign occupier who must be expelled. What goes around comes around. You "conservative" national security types always have to have an enemy. Saddam was our ally against Iran. Then you made Saddam the enemy & knocked him off. Then you take Saddam's sworn enemy Moqtada al Sadr & make HIM the enemy. Two days ago the Bush/Cheney war regime says Al Qaeda is no long the biggest obstacle to U.S. objectives in Iraq - now Iran is the enemy again. It just goes around & around. War profiteers prosper but ordinary Americans see their standard of living deteriorate. No victory & No peace.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/13/08 - 08:17 pm
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The Augusta Chronicle

The Augusta Chronicle editorial above talks about the possibility of war in the Middle East as early as this summer and wants us to protest against Iran, Hezbollah, and other Muslim extremists but does not fault Israel in any way. Tom Fenton writes about Mideast Tremors and rising tensions in Israel with Syria and Lebanon. Fenton speculates that war could break out before Bush's scheduled visit to Israel next month. I agree with The Chronicle that preventing war is the best medicine. Fenton goes on to note the Israel's army is prepared to storm into Gaza and two U.S. warships are off the coast of Lebanon. Akiva Eldar, a veteran Israeli columnist, has urged Bush to intervene more forcefully, but remarked that Bush "specializes in ceremonies and speeches." Bush did nothing to prevent or shorten the Israeli war in south Lebanon and Beirut in summer 2006. Who expects him to do anything constructive at this late juncture in his failed Presidency? At least Jimmy Carter is in Damascus meeting with Hamas and trying to win their cooperation. Yet The Chronicle lambasted Carter for his efforts in a recent editorial. Go figure.
http://www.theworld.org/?q=node/17259

CoachBishop
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CoachBishop 04/13/08 - 08:37 pm
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First, I took some time to

First, I took some time to research what is going on in Tibet. I was shocked to learn that this unrest has been on going for some time. For this reason I blame the I.O.C. for inaction. I could have predicted/ anticipated some of the problems Having China as an Olympic sponsor could have caused

George Bush....Don't create another challenge for the next in-coming President!

Diplomacy has been forgotten for 7 years as a solution.

For the right price someone will give up OBL.

The_Last_Word
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The_Last_Word 04/13/08 - 10:21 pm
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Cain, More fairy tails!

Cain, More fairy tails! Thanks.

SoonerorLater
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SoonerorLater 04/13/08 - 11:55 pm
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Cain sits behind a keyboard

Cain sits behind a keyboard and spouts anti American there is no terrorism all that stuff is made up BS. I am sitting in the Middle East seeing much of this on a daily basis and defending his right to spew his crap. HMMMM, I think I have more credibility on my views of what is going on over here than a bitter old Hephzibah man who dodged the draft and military service by attending some Podunck Junior College majoring in creative writing who only knows how to cut and paste from far left propaganda sites that are sympathetic to anything that runs counter to the US. Cain gets blasted by almost 90% of posters here on the AC board and his posts are so far out there that he must have also majored in LSD101 in college as well. Cain gets his reports from the far left blogospheres, I see things on a daily basis and can attest that the terrorists are real, hateful, nasty people who would slit Cain's throat given the chance. Cain calls all this "propaganda", how idiotic, Cain needs to venture out into the real world. Cain, I work 80 hours a week or so (as opposed to your 40, time clock and a lunch pail). I certainly do not have to answer you for my time, my efforts, and my views.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/14/08 - 05:26 am
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RJH, STILL hasn't told us

RJH, STILL hasn't told us what he doing in The Middle East. Is he blogging for the U.S. military? In other words, is RJH a paid propagandist for the war? Or is this man who claims he works 80 hours a week posting on The Augusta Chronicle in his free time? Or is RJH, a "private contractor" which amounts to the same thing as a mercenary. How much money are you being paid, RJH? Come clean with YOUR record, background, motives, etc. I don't live in "Hephzibah". I did not attend a "junior college". I did not major in "creative writing". And I don't "punch a time clock". You are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, RJH. If you want credibility, other than as a paid HACK or MERCENARY, you DO have to "answer from your time, your efforts & your views". I say you are seeing Iraq through a straw. I say you have no real grounding in Arabic, Iraqi history, culture, religion, or politics. Read what a Brookings Institute EXPERT says: "Disastrous Bush policies fostered a sectarian Iraq that has helped empower Iranian hardliners. Rather than serving as an anchor for a new era of stability & American pre-eminence in the Persian Gulf, the new Iraq represents a strategic black hole, bleeding Washington of military resources and political influence while extending Iran's primacy among its neighbors." In other words, the U.S. war in Iraq is a complete & utter DISASTER! So you are WRONG again, RJH.

SoonerorLater
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SoonerorLater 04/14/08 - 05:34 am
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My veiws are my own Cain, I

My veiws are my own Cain, I am in the military and certainly do not and cannot speak on behalf of anyone but myself. My pay, what I do, where I am, and all those related items are certainly privileged information. I am one who protects your 1st amendment rights to spew your trash and your rhetoric. Whether I am a Middle East Scholar, or know that language has no beariing on what I see on a daily basis. What makes you such the scholar from the keyboard and blogging all day? I do not have to come clean with anything, to you nor anyone else. My credibility does not depend on my time, my efforts, or my views, and I certainly do not have to justify myself to you, a bitter old man who can only sit behind a keyboard and spout venom and everything hateful about the country. What have you done for your country Cain? What have you done to earn your rights? I have spent 20 years in the Army and will retiring this summer, so I have answered the call and shown a higher dignity, a higher calling, and an honorable profession to protect deadbeat loser keyboard hiding BS artists like yourself who sympathize with the enemy and spit on the service of others.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/14/08 - 05:50 am
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Look moron, I never

Look moron, I never sympathized with Saddam Hussein. I knew he was "The Butcher of Baghdad" in 1980. Yet, The Reagan administration which included Donald Rumsfeld dealt with him for the entire decade because he was our man against Iran. What I object to is this country getting itself into another anachronistic neo-colonial war of aggression like it did in Vietnam. Then it was "the communist menace". Saddam was a bad guy, but he was no threat to United States. Like Brookings Institute EXPERT Suzanne Maloney insinuated in her quote I posted at 6:26 am - the U.S. invaded and occupied Iraq not because of WMD, or because of Muslim extremism, or because of terrorism, or because Iraq attacked or threatened United States. It was an effort to make United States the pre-eminent power in the Persian Gulf. This is strictly a Big Power geo-strategic move to gain access and control over Iraq's oil, to use bases in Iraq to project U.S. power over the entire region, to reassert the dollar as the de facto word currency including in the pricing of oil, as a shield for Israel to remain the regional hegemon & to make the U.S. economic & political system dominant everywhere. NA GA HA PEN! We have reached the limits of empire. This is the end of American exceptionalism. The unipolar moment has passed. We live in a multipolar world. We have to cooperate instead of dominate. Fighting terrorism requires an international police effort not invading & occupying countries with our military. 300 million Americans cannot militarily dominate a world of 6.5 billion. Think about it!

SoonerorLater
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SoonerorLater 04/14/08 - 06:01 am
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Cain does not like what he

Cain does not like what he hears, does not answer questions about what he has done for his country, what he has done to earn the rights given to him (they were GIVEN to him by others) and has to resort to name calling. You seem to quote only those who see YOUR point of view and certainly do NOT want to hear anything that runs counter to your warped thinking. Granted, the US foreign policy has not been perfect across both parties, but the best decision is typically made with the best information at any given time. That information may prove to be wrong, but you decide with what you got, right or wrong sometimes. I answered your questions to a degree, I can only say so much. However, you have a tendency to NOT answer the hard questions unless someone asks you a "Larry King" type question. Cain you are a poor pitiful little man with a big chip on your shoulder about something this country has done. I am not a moron Cain, I probably have more education than you, I have seen much more of the world than you have, and certainly have encountered more diverse people than you, so you can respect my view, although you do not have to accept it, but name calling lowers your credibility.

SoonerorLater
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SoonerorLater 04/14/08 - 06:05 am
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OH YES, I forgot, posting

OH YES, I forgot, posting then re-editing his comments as well, that is a classic patented by Cain as well. Way to go Cain, way to go. Shows you do not think as you type, but only type with anger and bitterness.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/14/08 - 06:22 am
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I still think you are posting

I still think you are posting propaganda on behalf of the U.S. military. I think that is part of your job. Either that or you sit at a computer & have a lot of free time on your hands. Anybody who "works" 80 hours a week would not be on The Augusta Chronicle website as much as you are. You THINK you are smarter, better informed, more experienced, well traveled. This war as a huge MISTAKE to begin with & it continues to be a FIASCO. The surge did NOT work to stem violence & reconcile Iraqis. United States cannot drawdown below 140,000 troops & keep the lid on Iraq. That is not success. The war was born of deceit. Even you admit "mistakes were make". You admit that "after the fact". Even Bush admitted "I thought we were losing in 2006, but the CinC can never tell the troops who are fighting that they are dying in vain or that they are losing." This entire war is in vain. That assessment is NOT anti-American. I serve this country & sacrifice for my beliefs every bit a much as you do, RJH. But I don't go around claiming to be the next greatest thing to Jesus: "He died for your sins. The U.S. soldier dies for your freedom". You are a cog in a big war machine & not an objective observer.

SoonerorLater
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SoonerorLater 04/14/08 - 06:31 am
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How do you serve this country

How do you serve this country Cain, and what do you sacrifice? Have you been away from your family for a year at a time? Have you been called in at 3AM to fix something? Have you had to sleep on the ground or work in the cold, rain, snow, heat, or sandstorms? Have you ever had to assist a family with the remains of their loved ones, look them in the eye and help them deal with the pain? I am a common everyday soldier Cain, who is far from home and reaches out to keep in contact with what is close to home. I will be retiring soon and coming back to Augusta Cain, proudly, with my head held high. Have you ever had anyone stop you in the mall, grocery store, or gas station and thank you for what you do? I have, and it makes me proud for what I have done over the past 20 years, although at times it sucked more than you can imagine. Are you proud of what you do Cain, for what you have done? I can look myself in the mirror and know that I have served my nation, honorably, and can be proud of who I am, what I have done, and the importance of what my service has meant to my family, and my nation. Can you say the same thing Cain?

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