Editorial's analogy doesn't hold up

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The March 8 editorial titled "In their defense" used the false analogy of an unprovoked North Augusta (Gaza) launching missiles against a peaceful Augusta (Israel) to defend Israel's siege of and incursions into Gaza.

Israel's harsh military occupation of Gaza has lasted more than 40 years, during which Israel deprived Gazans of their liberty and impoverished them by destroying their trade with the outside world through arbitrary border and port closings. While the Israeli withdrawal in 2005 eased some of these problems, Israel's continued border restrictions -- which amount to an actual siege, withholding of tax revenues due to the Palestinian Authority, reductions in water and fuel supplies, refusal to negotiate cease fire agreements and assassinations of political leaders with the inevitable "collateral damage" -- have denied Gazans their internationally recognized human rights, national rights of self-determination and even basic necessities of food, water, sewage treatment supplies and medicine.

These facts make the editorial's analogy of Israel to innocent Augustans ridiculous. The editorial exaggerates the number of missiles launched into Israeli territory and ignores the fact that Palestinian militias launch them in response to Israeli military incursions and air strikes that regularly kill scores of Palestinians. Between Feb. 28 and March 5, the Israeli military killed 110 Palestinians, including 51 civilians, and wounded 236, including 154 civilians. Children are being killed while playing soccer and tending livestock. Because of restrictions on movements of ambulances and paramedics, many wounded bleed to death.

Unconditional support of Israeli policies and ignoring the rights of the Palestinians are not the correct way to stop this cycle of violence. Instead, we must ask Israel to end its occupation, recognize the rights of Palestinians and stop impeding the establishment of a viable, contiguous Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank alongside Israel, as envisioned by President Bush.

Hossam E. Fadel, Augusta

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Former Augustan
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Former Augustan 03/24/08 - 12:41 am
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Why doesn't any supporter of

Why doesn't any supporter of the Palestinians ask why Israel responds as they do? Israel has been under almost constant attack for 60 years, and Hamas fires its rockets from residential areas, so there's no wonder that innocents are killed when Israel fires back to destroy the rocket launchers. But -- what is Israel to do? Ignore the rocket attacks? When Hamas and Fatah finally stop their attacks, recognize Israel's right to exist, they will quickly realize the rewards of peace. As long as they are hell-bent to destroy Israel, the Palestinian people will suffer. Can you imagine how different things would be for the Palestinian people had they and their leaders recognized Israel's right to exist 60 years ago, and lived in peace with them? Just think about how prosperous this whol area would now be.

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The_Last_Word 03/24/08 - 04:32 am
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Fadel, How many rockets fired

Fadel, How many rockets fired from Gaza are acceptable? You say Israel is exaggerating the number fired. How many are acceptable? If North Augusta were to fire ONE rocket at Augusta, the entire US federal system would be brought to bear on how this could have happened. If it persisted the entire city would be taken apart. But this is a civilized land - why is Gaza not civilized? Israel has been there since 1948 as a nation - the Palestinians calim to have been there much longer - where is the evidence of their civilization? They cannot run Gaza and cannot prevent terrorists from taking over neighborhoods. They should be occupied until they can run their own country. The only reason Israel intervenes (besides pure self defense) is because the cowardly UN will not. The safety of Israel dictates what they do. They do not attack other nations - they are attacked and then they respond. When Gaza or any of the so-called Palestinians can say the same thing then they will be worthy of negotiations - not until!

He_Who_Must_Not_Be_Named
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He_Who_Must_Not_Be_Named 03/24/08 - 04:46 am
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Last word and Former

Last word and Former Augustan, nice posts. I won't add anything yet. I'm sure "Dr" Gunby and the legendary JohnRandolphHardisonCain, will be on later with their idiotic rantings and cut and paste debating style. Maybe I'll humor them for a bit. Maybe not, it will be a busy day...I'll just say in advance....Cain, everything you have to say/paste on this issue is garbage.

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christian134 03/24/08 - 04:49 am
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Israel should always have the

Israel should always have the United States support no matter the circumstances. We can pray for them to ease up in some areas but we should never turn away from them. All around the world Isreal has been hated for no other reason than they are Jews..God's chosen..as such they will stand ready to defend their own as well as their land and will do so until Christ returns. They were sheep at one time and have sworn never to be led to the slaughter again.

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JohnCarllStrauss 03/24/08 - 04:55 am
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I wonder if Cain will pipe in

I wonder if Cain will pipe in again today and make a bigger fool of himself......if so here's the question he failed answer yesterday, and he will fail to answer today. How does posting questions every few days (which you largely ignore) and pointing out when you lie considered "attempting to sabotage on a daily basis?" I guess if your goal is to post disinformation then quesioning your lies would be sabotage.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 03/24/08 - 05:07 am
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Former President Jimmy Carter

Former President Jimmy Carter wrote a book in which he compared the nature of Israeli relations with the Palestinians as a form of apartheid. Mr. Carter took abuse for his views including from the editorial staff of The Augusta Chronicle. Mr. Carter didn't even call for even handed treatment of & and the Palestinians. He only called for a "more balanced" approach. Recall that Andrew Young was fired from his job as U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. for merely talking to the PLO. If United States is to be an honest broker in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict it cannot unequivocally support everything that Israel's rightwing govt chooses to do. Respect for human rights must be the centerpiece of U.S. foreign policy. Resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the sine qua non for peace in the Middle East. George W. Bush's "road map for peace in the Middle East" has been long forgotten. Bush & Rice sat on the sidelines - actually expedited jet fuel & bombs to Israel - when Israel ravaged southern Lebanon & Beirut in summer of 2006. Israelis have come to realize they lost that war. It was a completely unnecessary war. Israel also paid a price for the Feb 28 to March 5 offensive in Gaza. The U.S. & Israel must recognize Hamas as the legitimately elected representative of the Palestinian people & negotiate with them in good faith. The time for stonewalling & hurling even bigger stones by a hegemonic regional Israel superpower is past.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 03/24/08 - 05:09 am
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Mr Fadel, only the "hate

Mr Fadel, only the "hate America left" agree with your point of view here in the states. I'm sure some will support your LTE, even in Augusta.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 03/24/08 - 05:11 am
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So many are confused by the

So many are confused by the "respect" concept. You have to give some to get some. When the "Palestinians" grasp that, their life will improve.

JohnCarllStrauss
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JohnCarllStrauss 03/24/08 - 05:12 am
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I figured he would still

I figured he would still ignore it since he was lying in the first place. But he DID polish off the old "human rights centerpiece" post that he has cut and pasted so many times before. What a clown.

SoonerorLater
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SoonerorLater 03/24/08 - 05:24 am
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Jimmy Carter is cut from the

Jimmy Carter is cut from the same anti America that you are Cain, and you dare quote from the worst president this generation has seen. One who gave us double digit inflation and interest rates, and who the Iranians made to look like a fool in front of the world for 444 days, until minutes into Reagans term they were set free. The world knows that the Dems are soft on Natlional Security. Negotiate with Hamas, certified terrorists, what an idiotic idea. In the late 90s the head terrorist Arafat had about 95% of what he wanted, and turned away from it all. The Isrealis live in a constant barrage of missiles and rockets, and you want to negotiate with Hamas in "good faith"? Not only is your head buried in the sand, but I would guess your whole body as well. Just using Jimmy Carter to support your arguement is laughable and shows just how challenged you are to support your points.

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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 03/24/08 - 05:29 am
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Notice the complete lack of

Notice the complete lack of nuance by the reactionary posters so far this morning. This is a black-white issue in their binary thinking. President Carter who helped negotiate a lasting peace between Israel & Egypt calls for a "more balanced" approach. He does not call for United States to abandon Israel or the "special relationship" that exists between the world's unitary superpower & the Middle East regional superpower. But what Israelis & the govt of Israel must realize is that they must give respect in order to get respect. Hamas was elected by an overwhelming majority of Palestinians in Jan 2006. Israel & United States responded by refusing to deal with Hamas, by isolating Hamas, by refusing to turn over tax dollars to the Hamas govt even though Hamas offered de facto recognition of Israel & an extended ceasefire. As Hossam Fadel noted Israel controls all of Gaza's border crossings and all of its ports. Israel determines with whom Gazans can trade. Israel is Gaza's only market & Palestinian producers must sell to Israelis at what whatever price Israelis buyers offer because that is their only market. American colonists would find that situation intolerable. Remember the Boston Tea Party & The American Revolution against the superpower & oppressor of that time.

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justus4 03/24/08 - 05:40 am
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The article has some merits,
Unpublished

The article has some merits, but getting both side to agree on Palestinian borders and their right to return is hard issues. But for those supporters of Israel who think they can do no wrong: What happened with the USS Liberty? Nothing but silence...

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 03/24/08 - 05:51 am
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Cain, adjust your meds. Your

Cain, adjust your meds. Your 5:29 post is pitiful, even for you.

bullet45cal
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bullet45cal 03/24/08 - 05:52 am
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His last name (Fadel) says it

His last name (Fadel) says it all!

Bizarro
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Bizarro 03/24/08 - 06:34 am
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A good start would be for the

A good start would be for the Palestinians to end their govt stand and policy to destroy Israel. How can you arbitrate peace with an entity sworn to destroy you?

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 03/24/08 - 06:49 am
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Every single Arab nation in

Every single Arab nation in the region objected to the establishment of the modern day Jewish state of Israel in Palestine in 1948. But they carried no weight at the U.N. The great powers in the U.N. pushed through the mandate to establish modern Israel largely to assuage European guilt over the Holocaust. Zionism did not start in 1948. Jews have been persecuted in Europe for centuries, and the modern Zionist movement began in the late 1800s. Before the advent of Zionism and the especially before the establishment of the modern day Jewish state of Israel, Muslims, Jews & Christians lived side by side in "The Holy Land". A two state solution seems to be an absolutely necessary intermediate step as Israeli writer, intellectual & humanitarian Amos Oz recognizes. But ultimately there must be a one state solution with Muslims, Jews, Christians & other religious & ethnic group living side by side in peace as they did before the advent of Zionism.

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shivas 03/24/08 - 06:58 am
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I would just hope the rocket

I would just hope the rocket lands in South Augusta and we could start a reclamation project. Only the hate American far-right agrees unconditionally with Israel.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 03/24/08 - 07:03 am
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Hate American far-right? Is

Hate American far-right? Is that like really dry water? In the great circle of life, if you go far enough to the right you get left.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 03/24/08 - 07:18 am
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It is clear the Palestians

It is clear the Palestians won't stop till there is no state of Israel and every jew is dead. That is the crux of their society as they indoctrinate their children to hate Israel and teach it is their civic duty to kill all jews. Once the palestinians agree to allow a state of Israel perhaps then a two state solution will arise. As Cain points out the Arab world has been against the state of Israel since its inception, and that underdog status has some general appeal to many Americans.

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Little Lamb 03/24/08 - 07:48 am
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The main trouble is that the

The main trouble is that the Palestinians say they want their own "state" but they also claim the "right" to plunder Israel's treasury. How? The Palestinians demand the Israelis supply water, power, diesel fuel, gasoline, health care, food, welfare payments for not working. The Palestinians have learned well from us Americans. Demand, demand, demand. And produce nothing and give nothing in return.

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johnsmith 03/24/08 - 08:18 am
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Gee...why was it that Israel

Gee...why was it that Israel occupied Gaza? Lemmee think...were those pesky palestinian milk truck drivers running late? I know! it's 'cause somebody across the border mooned an Israeli soldier, which as we well know, is an invadable offense. I mean, it clearly had nothing to do with all those arab / muslim armies massed on Israel's borders, and the attacks on Israel's very right to existence. So, we have a little war and a loooong occupation. And the people in the occupied region cast themselves as the VICTIMS, as pawns in a regional game of military and political power. Ok, so after 40 years (as noted in the LTE), the vicious, brutal Israelis FINALLY decide to listen, to be convinced, to lighten up. They abandon Gaza, remove all Israeli settlements. The reaction of those who live in Gaza? Well, first, given the OBVIOUS weakness of the Israelis (why were we EVER afraid of THEM?!), they elect a ruling party committed to the death of every Israeli, and they increase rocket attacks into Israel. Now, I know I'm just a poor, stupid conservative, but if I got punched in the mouth every time I did a good deed, you'd see a lot fewer good deeds from me. Even I can figure that out...

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S.C. Dawg 03/24/08 - 08:35 am
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Fadel, take your camel, go to

Fadel, take your camel, go to Gaza, and wait patiently for the next missile to arrive. And take Cain with you if your camel is a two seater.

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curly123053 03/24/08 - 08:37 am
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According to the

According to the Bible.....Isreal is God's chosen people and they will continue to fight until they have possession of all they have been promised by the Father of Creation. No politically correctness will alter the outcome the Bible speaks about. It really is a sticky situation over there when you take into account that they were given the land they are fighting to get back.

christian134
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christian134 03/24/08 - 08:42 am
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amen curly123053

amen curly123053

Bizarro
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Bizarro 03/24/08 - 08:52 am
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When Obama becomes President

When Obama becomes President and then converts to Islam, he will negotiate a peace in the Middle East. Don't forget he is the anti-Christ. How else could a nobody become Prez without the powers of Satan at his bidding. Of course the Whore of Babylon-Hillary will be his Vice. A new conspiracy theory. Pastor Hagee of the Christian Zionist Group personally told me it was a "fact". This was substantiated by General Petraeus. Bill Clinton confirmed that Hillary is a ho, and he knows his ho's. Now to get the bloggers to pick up on the story.

shivas
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shivas 03/24/08 - 08:53 am
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That's the problem with Ms.

That's the problem with Ms. Thomas. She thinks anyone who disagrees with the far-right hates America. Yet the far-right is the group that is slowly taking freedoms away from Americans, and labeling it as the Patriot Act. Disagree, and you'll be put on a terriorists synpathizer list, have your phone calls monitored, bank accounts scrutinized and medical information perused. I would say that qualifies as hate America philosophy.

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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 03/24/08 - 08:57 am
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curly123053, According to the

curly123053, According to the Jewish bible - Israel is God's chosen people. Duh! Got news for you. The bible was written by men not by God. Same with the Koran, The New Testament, the Vedic literature, the Popol Vuh, the Book of Mormon, and all religious treatises. They are works of humans trying to understand the divine and the infinite.

curly123053
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curly123053 03/24/08 - 09:04 am
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I said Israel was God's

I said Israel was God's chosen people. God is our Father of Creation!
And the Bible was written by his chosen disciples by inspiration of the Holy Spirit. It does not matter how many different books of faith are out there, we are all going to be judged by only one of them.....The Holy Bible....which is the true Word of God!

christian134
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christian134 03/24/08 - 09:08 am
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Got news for you Cain...The

Got news for you Cain...The ones who wrote the Bible were inspired by the living God...That is one truth that cannot be altered to suit your way of thinking....

curly123053
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curly123053 03/24/08 - 09:11 am
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AMEN christian134 !

AMEN christian134 !

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