Choice in November becoming clear

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Michael Bloomberg should've been an eye doctor.

He's helping a lot of people see more clearly today.

Certainly the presidential race may become clear on Tuesday, if Hillary Clinton loses to Barack Obama in Texas and Ohio and drops out. But the race has already been given great clarity by the announcement that New York Mayor Bloomberg won't be an independent candidate for the White House.

Bloomberg has the wherewithal of a Ross Perot without the flights of fancy, shall we say. And Bloomberg's candidacy, while intriguing, would have muddled the choices immensely.

Without him in it, and absent some other attractive independent candidate, the choice between the Republican and Democratic candidates will be stark.

Obama, the likely Democratic nominee at this point, talks about unity and reaching across party and ideological lines. And he seems to mean it, and might even do it if elected.

But if the past is prologue, he might not: His record is ultra-liberal -- more to the left of even Ted Kennedy -- and his record of bipartisanship is almost nil in his short time in politics.

That stands in deep contrast to John McCain's record, which is so bipartisan that he has alienated much of the Republican base.

More importantly, though, Obama and McCain would differ sharply on the danger from al-Qaida and what to do about it, including when and how to withdraw from Iraq.

In fact, the two candidates couldn't be further apart on the very premise of the Iraq War. Obama utterly rejects it, while McCain supports the war and the surge and would continue the policy of staying on the offense against terrorism.

The success of the surge, if it continues, will paint Obama into a bit of a corner -- preaching a defeatist message back home while the troops achieve victory. He'll be in the uncomfortable position of squaring that position with the facts.

As important as all these differences will be the candidates' philosophical approaches to government.

Conservatives bitterly recall McCain's teaming up with Democrat Russ Feingold -- the Wisconsin senator whom few politicians can pass on the left -- to restrict political spending. Or his teaming up with Kennedy on amnesty for illegal aliens. But McCain does have a lifetime rating of over 82 from the American Conservative Union.

Obama's rating is 8.

The other night at the Democratic debate, Obama said oil companies won't give up their profits easily. What? What makes him think the government has a right to make companies "give up" their profits in any manner?

Mrs. Clinton, too, talks about what she -- she! -- will do with those profits. How is that any different from Hugo Chavez, who is for all practical purposes a dictator?

Regardless of who the Democratic nominee is, the choice will be clear:

Either we will choose more government in our lives or less.

Comments

DrGunby68

I've seen better thematic consistency in 9th grade composition...an obviously desperate and feeble attempt to juxtapose Obama against every false choice, Hobson's choice and straw man of rt wing talking pts. Hear me good ACES...the country and its sentiments are moving to the center. You'll must represent the last 20 some odd percent of folk that still give Dub a favorable approval rating. It's cool though...these defiant words of yours resonate like the strains of Capt EJ Smith as he commanded the string quartet to play on while the Titanic that is the Repub party sinks. By 2016 as Pres. Obama finishes his second term, there will be a "political submersible" that finds the wreck of your party in some abyss. Its too coincidental that the Conservative death bell tolls for Buckley and his party in the same year...

DrGunby68

...a grain of salt people...it's late. But I'm not taking anything for granted. I remember going to bed as contented as ever on 11/7/2000 after Zogby told me Gore had won. Next morning...click on the TV and get the rest of the story...I stayed in bed the rest of the day unable to function. NEVER AGAIN !!

patriciathomas

DrGunby68, while President Bush is far from perfect in anyones book, like all presidents before him, he has been and is way better then anything B.O. or Hillary has offered. Sending billions to the UN and offering to destroy our medical industry while providing "free" cradle to the grave support for all Americans is not strong rhetoric....except to the masses that react instead of thinking. When national defense, a strong economy and civil rights don't come first on a presidents agenda, the American way of life will degenerate. None of these things are on B.O.s or Hillarys list of things to do. I agree with the comment on the article. The AC needs more editors.

patriciathomas

Gunby, saying you were sorry Gore wasn't president doesn't give any of the rest of your comments much credence.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain

The choice will be more govt whether McCain or Obama wins. We got more big govt programs under "compassionate conservative" George W. Bush than any President since LBJ. The Chronicle writes "The success of the surge, if it continues, will paint Obama into a bit of a corner ...". Hasn't McCain painted himself into a corner by saying he is prepared to keep U.S. troops in Iraq for 100 years? Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz puts the long terms costs of the Iraq war at $3 Trillion & they are likley to reach $5 - $7 Trillion WHICH IS MORE THAN THE INFLATION ADJUSTED COST OF WWII. In recent years it is Democrats who have been fiscally conservative. Bush has run up record deficits & the national debt has DOUBLED during his watch. The Bush-Cheney "administration" has borrowed more money THAN ALL THE FORMER U.S. PRESIDENTS COMBINED! The Chronicle wants to talk about "responsible" leadership and defend oil company profits? The Medicare prescription plan for seniors is another Bush boondoggle. Bush pushed that fiscal fiasco because it gave big pharmaceutical companies the right to charge the govt whatever they want for those "free" prescription drugs for seniors and left govt no right to negotiate the price the drug companies charge.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain

So now The "conservative" Chronicle is desperate to paint Obama as "inexperienced" and the Democrats as "big govt" LIBERALS who are weak on national defense. McCain will hit Obama high while right wing radio hits Obama low. Try listening to what is said about Obama by the likes of Bill Cunningham, Michael Savage, Mark Levin, Limbaugh, Hannity, Boortz, etc. They told us how dangerous it would be to elect Hillary as President. Now, they are claiming that Obama is worse. OMG! BTW, JFK didn't have much "experience" when he ran for President. The Chronicle pretends to take somewhat of a reasoned middle ground in this editorial but expect plenty of below the belt punches by Republicans in this Presidential campaign from hell. Josh Marshall of TPM pegs the truth about Republican strategy in the upcoming Presidential campaign: "The core is to drill a handful of key adjectives into the public mind about Barack Obama: Muslim, anti-American, BLACK, terrorist, Arab. Maybe a little hustler and shifty thrown in, but we'll have to see. The details and specific arguments are sort of beside the point."

patriciathomas

No entity needs to "paint" Democrats as big government liberals. That is their entire platform. That is all Democrats purport in their campaign speeches. Listen to what B.O. and Hillary say. More taxes, more government support for your difficulties in everyday life, no national defense outside of our borders and no intelligence gathering. Sounds like a lot of self painting to me.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain

Patricia, If you call a war that costs more than WWII, sombody HAS to pay for it! Borrowing from China makes us less secure, poorer, and mortgaged to the hilt. The U.S. dollar hit record lows against 6 foreign currencies in Asian trading early Monday morning. From Reuters at 6:32 pm EST Sun 02 Mar 2008: "The dollar's sharp slide deepened on Monday when it fell to a record low against a basket of major currencies as expectations for more aggressive Federal Reserve interest rate cuts ignited selling of the U.S. currency.// The dollar fell as low as 73.551 (.DXY) against a basket of six major currencies, taking it to the lowest since the dollar index was started in 1973.// The drop came as the dollar hit a three-year low against the yen at 103.06 yen, down 0.7 percent on the day, as a sell-off in Wall Street shares last Friday spurred an unwinding of carry trades. Asian markets were expected to track that fall."// PATRICIA, United States MUST get its own house in order. Profiteering is part of the problem. The rich and well connected have gotten MUCH richer under Bush and Republican leadership while the poor and middle class languish. It is time for change. It is time for honesty and fiscal responsibility. It is time for average Americans to count.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain

The price of food and gasoline are skyrocketing. College loans are harder to get and more expensive if students are able to get them. Banks and credit card companies are raising fees without disclosure. The price of health care is skyrocketing. There is a looming crisis in the municipal bond market. Inflation is skyrocketing. The U.S. dollar is collapsing. All this happened on Bush's watch, but The Chronicle wants to shift the blame to "LIBERAL, BIG GOVERNMENT, WEAK ON NATIONAL DEFENSE" DEMOCRATS. Anybody who buys this Chronicle canard ain't got a lick of sense!

patriciathomas

Cain, you repeat political spin real well. Congratulations. How will raising taxes and eliminating national defense change anything for the better? By the way, do you remember when Carter instituted your way of thinking? Interest rates were out of control and inflation spiraled out of control and depression was not only the economic stand, it was the national attitude. Please, don't project that situation on us again.

dani

Comparing costs of the 1940's to prices today is kind of reaching, I think.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain

Patricia, Nobody & certainly not I has said "eliminate national defense". That is YOUR pathetic attempt at spin. Inflation is ALREADY out of control under Bush unless you believe the "official" govt statistics. Guess what, Patricia? The effective national debt isn't $9 trillion (which doubled under Bush). It is effectively at least $67 trillion. That is why United States is headed toward being a second rate country - still a first rate military power but one which can't provide for it own people - sound familiar - remember the Soviet Union? A country of have & have-nots isn't stable or productive. "Socialist" European countries are eating our lunch. Have you taken a look at the strength of the British pound & euro lately? Jimmy Carter inherited the aftermath of the Vietnam war. War leads to deficits, debts, inflation & recession - Especially ONE THAT ISN'T PAID FOR. It is YOU, Patricia, who is foisting your fears on the rest of us. I know you think John Kerry was a socialist. No doubt Obama will be painted with the same broad brush. Nobody's buying "conservative" swiftboat propaganda anymore, Patricia, not from The Chronicle, not from rightwing talk radio & not from you.

patriciathomas

After enjoying years of economic growth, record setting employment and very happy 401ks, we felt comfortable electing democrats. Since then, all we've read is doom and gloom and the constant promise of huge tax hikes has sent the market into wild swings. Green protectionist laws, along with huge demands from China and India for oil products, have caused rises in gas prices and this with the "ethanol" scam is driving food prices up. The current dip in the housing market is a result of the "community building" laws foisted on us by Carter in the '70s, but even that will straighten out by spring. The constant carping about the economy (as a political ploy) is causing unrest, but not much damage. When the Democrats get in office, THEN we'll see economic problems. Huge tax increases always cause recessions. "Taking care of the citizens" is so Democratic.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain

Dani, I wrote "inflation adjusted costs". It is certainly possible to compare 1940s prices and prices today. Joseph Stiglitz's book "The Three Trillion Dollar War" (W.W. Norton) is due to be published today. From a Reuters news report: "Stiglitz and Bilmes argue the true costs are at least $3 trillion under what they call an ultraconservative estimate, and could surpass the cost of World War Two, which they put at $5 trillion after adjusting for inflation."// Joseph Stiglitz is a Nobel prize winning economist. Coauthor Linda Bilmes is a former assistant secretary and chief financial officer of the U.S. Customs Department. I'm sure they know how to do cost comparisons, dani

JohnRandolphHardisonCain

Patricia, face the truth. President Bush along with "conservative" Republicans and compliant Democrats in Congress have driven this country into a ditch. The sine quo non for restoring financial stability, diplomatic integrity, and United States' international reputation is ENDING THE WARS IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN.

patriciathomas

I'm certain they know how to do good cost comparisons when they appear to reflect poorly on the candidate they wish to cast shadows on..

patriciathomas

Cain, don't face the truth. You obviously can't handle it. Besides, your rants are entertaining if inaccurate. Please don't let me discourage you from posting.

adam

You all are so funny. it's obvious to me that the fix is in.No matter what candidate or party wins,Socialism has been decided for us,enjoy....

dashiel

Will one of you oracles please explain the difference between tax-and-spend Democrats and borrow-and-spend Republicans?

Da Voice Inside Your Head

I hate to reply to Cains demented posts because doing so gives them some substance. But I figure he needs time to wipe the slobber from his keyboard where he foamed at the mouth and it ran down. PLEASE CAIN READ THIS. REPEATING THE SAME LIES OVER AND OVER AGAIN DOES NOT MAKE IT THE TRUTH.You post the same left wing cr*p everytime, 90% of which is just short of COMMUNIST propaganda.When I took Economices in the 80's 5% unemployment was considered FULL employment. The market always goes through periods of adjustment. WHY? Because people control the market and people are always changing as do situitations. I'm sure you are probally some college professor or something but you have a short memory. I remember sitting in gas lines that were a mile long.I remember double digit inflation and large amount of people out of work under the Economic policies that you now embrace. Just take a real deep breath and open your closed mind and do some real research on non left wing pinko sites. Maybe just maybe you'll understand. Maybe.

mojo

Cain - your long winded rants ignore the fact that given the chance Obama will spend so much on foriegn aide (through the UN) that the cost of Iraq will look like change dropped in the Salvation Army bucket at Christmas. Then he'll go on to convert Social Security into a welfare program thereby robbing millions of people of their contributions. And then we get to his "Partriot Act" where he cripples American corporations overseas with crushing taxes. Yes We need a change, but not Obama - we can't afford Obama.

jack

Well, I see that Cain has moved his spam from the forums to the editorials. Best way to get rid of him is to ignore him.

constitutionnow

Hey Da Voice, you're wrong. JRHC and the rest of the liberals tell thier lies over and over for good reason. Hilter said if you tell a lie loud enough and long enough, people will begin to believe it, or words to that effect. Look at what liberal lying in our classroom has done to our schools. We've progressed from the chewing gum in class being the chief concern of the 1950s teacher to being murdered in the new millineum. It really makes no difference which major party you belong to, neither adhere to the constitution they've sworn to uphold. I say get rid of the bums and let's start over!

convertedsoutherner

but what do we start over with?

grouse

Patricia, re: your first note: what planet do you live on?

reddog

I want to thank the Bush Administration for the depreciation of my portifolio. Effective today I am liquidating all of my portifolio; except my 401K plan. I just can't bear another investment report that shows a decline. Somebody keep me away from tall buildings!

accuracyplease

The February 2008 issue of Scientific American has an article Getting Duped: How the Media Messes with Your Mind. http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=getting-duped It discusses 2 fallacies commonly utilized by the media, and how to recognize them to sort out fact from fiction. Ad hominem, a fallacy and fault in logic, is the choice of many here, because they don't have any factual basis to support their arguments. In a debate those who choose to attack the person rather than the argument are truly lightweights whose own comments immediately invalidate them. Back your arguments with facts.

DrGunby68

AccPlease, check the first post in this thread...I usually am where you are in these discussions, but alas it is to no avail most of the time...I'm wondering why I do it sometimes...

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