Ethanol won't help, and will raise costs

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Barrons writer Curt Thacker reported recently that although consumers "will feel they're paying an arm and a leg for nearly all goods in 2008 due to rising commodity costs, the meat and poultry counter could hold some deals."

That is the good news, but the bad news is the increasing feed costs, as more corn is diverted to ethanol production. ...

Our politicians apparently never took Economics 101 or looked at the effects of using food such as corn to make ethanol. Ethanol should only be made from non-food material, to avoid inflation and reduced food supply to Third World countries. ...

They also do not understand that when full production is reached, ethanol will only replace 2 percent of the gasoline needed. They also did not consider the negative effects of ethanol, such as its corrosive effect on pipes and engines. It cannot be moved by pipeline, it requires transport by trucks we don't have, we lack storage facilities, and it must be trucked long distances from the Midwest to the users in the East.

Ethanol efficiency is 15 to 20 percent less than pure gasoline, and ethanol production requires more energy than it produces. I am waiting to hear something positive about ethanol to justify all the problems. I don't accept the claims that it will be a significant replacement for oil.

Corn prices have doubled in the past two years, which resulted in growers planting more corn at the expense of other grains. Congress, which brags about saving gasoline by promoting ethanol, is comprised primarily of lawyers instead of engineers, economists and history majors who are able to understand economics.

Perhaps that is the problem, which could be changed in November if only the voters can understand the cause of the insanity.

Robert E. Entwistle, Martinez

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mojo
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mojo 02/26/08 - 05:46 pm
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read this - the billions of

read this - the billions of dollars is dead on - in the last year the US has imported over 5 BILLION barrels of oil - that's the same oil that's trading at 100 dollars a barrel today - do your research! And yes i do have a boat and I'm aware of the concerns about ethanol leading to water in fuel.

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facts 02/27/08 - 08:04 am
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readthis-The link below is

readthis-The link below is another Ethanol consumer who sees the benefits of blending his own Gas/Ethanol mixture. He uses a blend up to 45% ethanol.

http://forestparkreview.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=38&Article...

read this
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read this 02/27/08 - 09:00 am
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MOJO-Where do you think this

MOJO-Where do you think this oil comes from? Most of our imported oil comes from Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela. And just because you are burning gasohol does not mean you will defer a drop of those imported barrels. It takes virtually the same amount of fossil fuels to make an equivalent volume of ethanol. The law of thermaldynamics and the conservation of energy are facts you can not ignore. Why do 'greenies' want so much to discover alternative silver bullets, when an adjustment in wasteful consumption would work immediately?

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read this 02/27/08 - 09:32 am
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I would be the last one to

I would be the last one to say that there are no other liquids that hold enough BTUs to convert into enough energy to move a car. THAT would be stupid. But, I will ask it again...what is the NET EFFECT? Show me some linear application that reduces imported oil that does not include consumption adjustments. I will promise you this. The government is going to make fuel much MORE expensive, which will change your lifestyle for you and consumption WILL go down.

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facts 02/27/08 - 09:51 am
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readthis-Saudi Arabia is the

readthis-Saudi Arabia is the second largest exporter of oil to the US.

Also-quoted from independent USDA ethanol study. See full report linked below.

"Corn ethanol is energy efficient, as
indicated by an energy ratio of 1.34; that is, for every
Btu dedicated to producing ethanol there is a 34-
percent energy gain. Furthermore, producing ethanol
from domestic corn stocks achieves a net gain in a
more desirable form of energy, which helps the United
States to reduce its dependence on imported oil.
Ethanol production utilizes abundant domestic energy
feedstocks, such as coal and natural gas, to convert
corn into a premium liquid fuel. Only about 17 percent
of the energy used to produce ethanol comes from
liquid fuels, such as gasoline and diesel fuel. For every
1 Btu of liquid fuel used to produce ethanol, there is a
6.34 btu gain."

http://www.transportation.anl.gov/pdfs/AF/265.pdf

Please study and learn the topic before attempting to teach and preach to others.

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facts 02/27/08 - 09:58 am
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readthis- Another link you

readthis-

Another link you may consider studying before you become an expert on Global Warming.

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/stateofknowledge.html

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facts 02/27/08 - 10:27 am
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More ethanol efficiency

More ethanol efficiency information from both sides of the issue

http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_energy.html

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read this 02/27/08 - 11:02 am
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Saudi Arabian crude goes to

Saudi Arabian crude goes to California for markets west of the Rockies. But the vast majority of imported oil is Canadian, Mexican, and Vensuelan. The energy gain you quote is impossible. If that were true, then there would be no argument. You will have become an energy god and we would bow down to you. Global Warming.....were you born and alive during the 1970s when the fear was Global Cooling? Please demonstrate how liberating carbon dioxide from oil will warm the earth. An atmospere that is 10 miles thick, a molecule that amounts to 0.03 percent of the atmospere, versus a sun that is about as static as the price of crude oil. Give me a break.

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facts 02/27/08 - 11:24 am
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readthis-Obviously you didn't

readthis-Obviously you didn't study the material from the links I provided.

The quotes were from:
http://www.transportation.anl.gov/pdfs/AF/265.pdf
http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_energy.html

Please educate yourself, I don't have the time to read it to you and explain the contents.

Oh! and only 34.84% of the crude oil imported from Saudi Arabia goes to California. Care to guess where the remaining Arab crude goes? Please research the question before answering.

http://www.energy.ca.gov/oil/statistics/2005_foreign_crude_sources.html

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read this 02/27/08 - 11:30 am
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Facts- look at this page

Facts- look at this page again. The Saudi crude represents 34% of the total imports to California not 34% of crude imported from Saudi Arabia. Get you facts straight...learn to read before you start telling me to educate myself.

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DonH 02/27/08 - 01:37 pm
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Alcohol is only a stop gap

Alcohol is only a stop gap fuel. A better answer is in hydrogen based fuel development, such as generating hydrogen on the move or in hydrogen compounds for fuel cells.

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read this 02/27/08 - 01:48 pm
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''All propaganda has to be

''All propaganda has to be popular and has to adapt its spiritual level to the perception of the least intelligent of those towards whom it intends to direct itself''. ''In the size of the lie there is always contained a certain factor of credibility, since the great masses of the people . . . will more easily fall victim to a great lie than a small one'' Guess the author.

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