Illegal immigration's effects being felt

Your points are taken and in context, they represent the smallest part of the problem (small employers). Those that propogate the continued employment of undocumented workers are large and corp entities. Swift, severe and certain punishment of companies hiring these workers is the only thing that will work. If your premise is correct that all these workers want is to work and not be citizens, then when the jobs dry up, they'll go home. Unfortunately, I believe that is where you are wrong. A comprehensive solution is required offering some type of path to citizenship from the end of the line. Why won't we punish these business owners...could it be that most are Repubs?

Dr Gunby..The first big time abuse of illegals being used was the large chicken packing plant, Tyson Foods in Arkansas, that Hillary was connected with. Nothing was done because they were friends of the Clintons. I hardly think these folks were Republicans but who knows, They have played both side of the fiddle before and they were making good money. I watched the debate last night and Obama said that the job situation should NOT be blamed on the immigrants. He and Hillary said they don't agree with those that want to send them home. Of course the Hispanic vote means more than our country's well being, but so be it.

DrG, jobs are not the smallest part of the problem, just the opposite. I have a good friend in the house-framing business and he's had to move north to find work because he's underbid every time in Augusta by Mexican crews. This is typical of all small time businesses using labor. No, they won't go home, that's why they have their children here. As far as the jobs drying up and them returning, thats wishful thinking also. You've been to Mexico Dr, where would you rather be unemployed??

As the candidates debated last night, the riight-wing only talks about the problem but offers no solution. The right-wing listens to others solutions and does n othing but criticize. Obama and Hillary did a great job last night of talking about the immigration issue and the steps they would take to address, including strengthening the border.

Yeah....the left wing is famous for offering good solutions. I guarentee that all they were doing is talking....that's all any of the politions do.

Yeah, shivas, increasing the government subsidy is a great way to deal with the immigration problem. The right always has a solution. Close the borders, end all government subsidy without proper documentation and prosecute law breakers. All solutions that fall within the law. How many of these do you suppose the left objects to?

Obama has the solution. Make all legal. Problem solved.

Some poster heard a different debate than the one I watched on CNN. It will be re-broadcast this morning on CNN. Watch it, You will NOt hear a tough stand on immigration. Obama believes in amnesty with a $3,000 fine. Where does he think these immigrants are going to get that kind of money. Obama said we should not blame our problems on immigration. I realize that they want the Hispanic vote, but my for Heavens sake.. Be honest.

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These politicians will say anything to get a vote. How could Obama not see that our Social Security, Health systems and Welfare systems are all threaten by the growing number of illegal immigrants. Close the borders, round up the illegals and deport them. Since American workers are being replaced with these illegals and most manufacturing jobs being replaced by workers in China, we are steadily loosing our base of taxpayers and soon will not have enough taxpayers to support this government's spending!!

shivas, your daily rants about how "the right wing never offers solutions" are just tiresome. The fact that you don't like the solutions offered, does not mean that they don't exist. To engage in the same ridiculous rhetorical strategy, I would say "Hillary doesn't have a health care plan." Now, a five-year-old on ecstasy could come up with a BETTER health care plan than Hillary's, but it's not right to say that she does not have one. So, shivas, here is the "right-wing" plan for immigration, as I see it in my capacity as local representative of the VRWC: 1) Build a big-[filtered word] fence. Two of them. 2) Find those who knowingly hire illegals and put them in jail while "taking their profits" (I'm acknowledging here that I've adopted a Hillary strategy of taking profits). 3) Greatly streamline the process of LEGAL immigration, and greatly increase the number of legal immigrants allowed in. 4) Deny all but basic emergency services to anyone who cannot demonstrate legal status. That is the "right-wing" position, shivas. Notice that we left out the concentration camps and the trucks and stuff that you all on the left seem to be so obsessed with...

At least Dani, you hear the Democrats telling the truth about what their plans are. Agree or disagree, they are giving you a choice. Choose Republican with your vote, and go support them, instead of constantly whining about Obama and Hillary. Taht goes for the rest of the right-wing as well.

Why are we getting an echo in here?

Uhhhh..was that ever in question Shivas??? If we didn't make that clear let me speak for my fellow conspirators now...we're not voting for a democrat.

oreo doublestuff for breakfast rules!!!!!!

He_Who, so McCain loses the Republican votes, eh? he he he

Amnesty and Open Borders - - - the platform of Bush, H. Clinton, McCain, and Obama.

For anyone left that thinks immigration is just fine the way it is and no wall is necessary..I urge you to spend some time in Brownsville, TX. It's right on the border..southernmost city in Texas. I lived there for 8 months. There are no mathematicians that can calculate the number of times I had to ask for someone who knew how to speak English at restaurants,the library,and grocery stores. There is an accountant still cruching the numbers on the amount of times I heard the phrase "we didn't cross the border,the border crossed us". I didn't have the heart to tell them that was in 1848...a little before their time. I was known as "the white guy" and yes even "eminem". I wonder what they would call our African Ameican posters.....well I wouldn't know because there weren't any there. So give it a try sometime..let me know how it turns out and what you think of illegal immigraton then.

lo..yeah smith...I think Kathysue talked me into it last night.

Pray for Romney..accept McCain

If you want to solve this problem you can solve it in 10 minutes. Just outlaw Hispanic people owning hammers. You can't drive nails all day with a brick, and pretty soon they'll just have to give up. If you want to get them out of the landscaping business you could outlaw shovels, too.

The explosion of the illegal alien population has caused many problems which affect the poor and middle class more --loss of jobs (its a myth that they work jobs that American workers won't work - its that they work for less pay), higher local taxes (because this is the only country in the world that would require its school system to provide instruction in english and spanish), overburdening the county hospitals like Grady Hospital in Atlanta (another property tax issue), the increase in crime (another property tax issue), and the abuse of the 14th amendment by having "anchor babies" The only parties who benefit from illegal immigration are the illegals and the businesses who hire them. Most supporters of amnesty always point to the costs of deportation -- the government should assess a tax on all industries that are notorious for hiring illegal aliens -- and all employers should have to pay a fine that covers the cost to deport any illegal alien they have employed. We should all be outraged that our government not only did not do anything to stop illegal immigration, but their policy of not enforcing the laws on the book encouraged illegal immigration.

When I call to discuss my telephone account or a credit card statement and I speak to someone in India I am greatly disgruntle. My point is that in my opinion, in 10 years we will look back at the effects of outsourcing on the United States and it will be obvious that it did great harm to the economics of the woking class citizen. I don't undrstand how our government can allow this. If our service industries are outsorced and we no longer produce anything hwo and where is our gnp going to come from? I have no problem with illegal immigrants. Their money largely stays here. I am not Mexican and I am a citizen of the U.S. and I would like to say that Mexican workers are some of the hardest working people I have ever encountered. The fact that this can be said about an ethnic group of folks and be objectively true says a great deal. My .02

getalife get a clue.these illegals are not coming here and working for the us gov't. they are working for private citizens and companies, your neighbors and mine.it is their responsibility to deduct all taxes and pay them to the gov't.the illegals are then entitled to benefits.the greedy employers are not doing this and no one wants to admit it.we taxpayers then subsidize all their needs while your rich neighbor goes to vegas 44 times a year.

I agree they are hard working people, but they contribute nothing to our social service systems, ie Social Security, income taxes or local property taxes. Their only contribution comes from sales tax. They also send a large part of their money back to Mexico. Their money does not stay here, only a small part. Illegal immigration is a major issue for this country and has the potential of bankrupting our social services and health systems. Our so-called Presidential candidates need to wake up.

OK Charlie genius, with no ss number or registration of any kind (since they are here illegally) how do your propose the gov't account for the money the greedy employees send them.

I recently put a major remodeling job out for bid. One of my stipulations was that no illegal aliens were allowed to work on the project. The contractors I hired all complied. It was a pleasure to see American men (some black, some white) framing, roofing, painting and flooring my house, delivering appliances, building fences, etc. Unlike what we've been told, there are no jobs Americans won't do if they are paid a fair wage. American personal and corporate greed is at the root of the illegal immigration problem.

Charlieyonce, Your response brings to mind, "Light travels faster than sound, that is why some folks appear brighter until you hear them speak". You evidentially don't understand the whole issue with illegal immigration!! No citizenship, no social security number, they are evading all of our laws, they are here illegally, they are criminals, the people that hire them do not want to pay or have to pay their taxes, we the taxpayers are paying for their health care, child's schooling, and welfare!!