Were abortion numbers accurate?

Thank you Gail Sikes for your article. God bless you for taking a stand for what is right. Legal by man's law not legal under God's law. Murder is murder no matter what spin happens to be pinned on it.

Well, technically, it is not illegal so it is not murder-just killing. I still say it should be legally available just little availed. Killing people is probably always a bad idea but sometimes we see necessity in war, etc. Although I would argue that killing is not a solution and there is always some price to pay.

Gee, if there were an all-powerful God, don't you think he'd stop this if he didn't like it? I mean, does free-will apply to fetuses too? Cells are not babies, not children. People need to get out of fairy land.

So Grouse is now telling God how and what He should do and how He should run things? That's pretty arrogant, don't you think?

Which of us can really say when "life" starts? If you check a biology book, life is defined as the capacity to metabolize food and generate energy, to respond to stimuli, and the ability to grow. Even individual cells exhibit these properties. Cells are alive. When do enough of these cells come together to be considered a baby? I can't say. Grouse can't say. Again, it is very arrogant to make sweeping statements based only upon opinion or conjecture. That is fairy land. If only God can truly answer the question about when Life and Personhood truly begin, maybe we'd better leave that determination up to a higher authority and not run the risk of killing an innocent person?

The real issue is, why am I having to pay for someone else to get sex education the hard way when they clearly ignore what has all ready been taught to them in the first place? Why are they allowed to waste my tax dollars for something like getting pregnant when it is THEIR duty to care for that kid? Oh, then this isn't about abortion, it is about MONEY. So why am I paying their bills again when they get to live off welfare?

DE2, I suppose we pay because we are supposed to be a compassionate, largely Christian nation. Therefore, we take measures to provide for those who cannot provide for themselves. What would Jesus do, right? Feeding the homeless and hungry is a full-time mission for many people, and it's a great thing. But, those who are very quick to quote the Bible in support of feeding the hungry seldom remember that the New Testament also states very plainly that: "If a man refuses to work, then he shall not eat." Maybe we need to keep that in the back of our minds when considering welfare and entitlements as well? If you care to base a decision upon Christian principles, best to remember all the principles that pertain to that specific issue, rather than just a selected few. Just food for thought....

The Guttmacher Institute is no longer affiliated with Planned Parenthood. They ended that association and became independent in 1977, as I looked up this past weekend on Wikipedia. As for Guttmacher's numbers: they are about as accurate as can be. Pretty interesting, huh? We have abortion numbers at their lowest since 1973, and childbirth deaths at their highest numbers since 1972. So, yes I see a direct correlation between the two, unlike the CDC, which is the arm of anti-choice groups.

I used to work at the CDC. Believe me, it is NOT the "arm of anti-choice groups". Once again, your rhetoric is inflammatory and inaccurate.

WILLISTON: Here is the best answer I could ever possibly give to you and those who, like you, think an innocent human being is nothing more than a piece of trash to be discarded whenever you like. Here is a REAL CHOICE by a REAL Woman: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,325458,00.html

people like grouse have bought into the idea that there is no baby until after the delivery. How can you argue with that level of intelligence?

With continued advances in neonatal medicine, the survivability of a baby keeps getting pushed back earlier and earlier into gestation. Abortionists are on an increasingly slippery slope when it comes to "when" we become a person -- if such an argument is valid at all. Ironic, isn't it, that advances in medical science made abortion possible, but now these same advances are making abortions increasingly obsolete. The more we learn and advance in our medicine, the stronger the identification of abortion as cold-blooded murder becomes.

Just think that is another welfare baby you republicans don't have to worry about supporting.

I'm not a Republican. Interesting that you bring that up, though. I have heard that a large majority of aborted babies are African American. Therefore, that makes abortion the closest thing to genocide that this country has ever known. Just another sad commentary on this dubious practice.

reddog, as ugly as that statement was meant to be, it's more accurate then you may know. The foundation members of Planned Parenthood were profound racists and felt that abortions would be the easy way to commit genocide at government expense. Look at the large percentage of black babies aborted. One of the reasons there not more objections is because of race.

Patriciathomas, I imagine this was your agenda this morning: 1. Insult all African Americans who supported the Clintons by telling them that is just a slave mentality to the "massah," 2. Brush my teeth, 3. Make-up something evil about planned parenthood, and then make an outrageous accusation that I know is a lie. Sometimes it's hard to debate a position when facts are just pulled out of the air no matter how ignorant. The right-wing hate machine is in high gear today.

Well, whether the founders of Planned Parenthood intended it or not, fact is that the fruit of their labor has become quite akin to genocide. That's just how it worked out. No spin. Just fact.

Genocide would refer to a race of people being systematically wiped-out. African american race continues to expand. Also, please tell me the racial break-downs on who gets abortions, as I believe you are overstating the African-American involvement. Please tell me because I have a feeling the truth is that it is caucasions who are the highest users of abortion.

Shivas, read about Margret Sanger sometime. An autobiography doesn't count. Over the past several (10) years, various government agencies have dropped the number of abortions from the reports, except where they think it will increase their fundings. However, if you check, you'll be able to find the number of abortions and what race they were back in the '90's. Try New Jersey for a nice, middle of the road, state. You'll be stunned.

I believe those abortion numbers are skewed again. Election year, I've been to an abortion clininc twice in the past 5 years and the majority of the patients were teenage white girls with their mothers' in attendance. I actually counted 21 white girls, 5 black girls and 4 latinos. I know this isn't an accurate sampling but this is what i seen and counted. Stop blaming everything on black americans. Welfare recipients are at thier lowest and I still haven't received a tax break and if, the welfare recipients were all gone and all of the social programs were gone, I still wouldn't get a tax break. So, regardless of your party affiliation or income status, we are not going to get a tax break. Why? GAs, lodging, interest rates, food, childrens public and private education and all of the other expensive items and services we need.

PT: I said welfare babies; no where in my statement did I say Black babies! That is how your mind works--welfare equals blacks! The real ugly thing about my statement is that hypocrites that protest in front of abortion clinics, and cry out for the right to life side are the first to cry about how much taxes they have to pay to feed, educate and incarcerate these unwanted children.

Statistics show that roughly 60% of all abortions are by white women, so shivas, you are correct that the majority of abortions are by caucasions. However, caucasions, being the majority of residents would naturally have a majority of abortions....all other things being equal. What you don't seem to understand is that the RATE of abortion for African American women is roughly 3 times that of caucasions. I'm not sure what the point of that argument is, but those are the statistical facts of it.

Gail unless you are prepared to pay for another woman's unborn child keep your opinions to yourself. Who cares what race these people are? The more abortions the less goverment money s spent raising these poor children in a miserable enviroment.

You're right, of course, sherryn, but the harshness of the method just doesn't set right with my sensibilities. It seems a more responsible approach would be to prevent the pregnancy instead of ending the life so early. Redefining the beginning of life sure doesn't seem to be the right answer.

Abortion is the BIGGEST political issue to me. Unfortunately I am male and have been told my opinion is invalid because of that. So I'll just keep it to myself.

Gail, thanks for your great letter to the editor. God bless you for all the great work you do. Sherry, sadly I used to share your opinion on this issue. I've since come to see that even though I'd prefer not to pay for someone else's child that doesn't justify letting them be killed. If I told you there was a place people were taking their 10 year olds to be murdered and that on a given Saturday twenty would be killed, there would be a mob of armed citizens knocking down the door. How people can view this any differently is beyond me. Even the most liberal (including Pelosi) agree that children surviving a partial birth abortion should be given medical treatment.

I agree preventing pregnancy is the way to go, but abortion is not the same thing as murdering 10 yr olds when a body isn't even formed yet how is that the same thing?

Are you telling me if an innocent female is brutally attacked and raped by complete strangers and gets pregnant she should be forced to give birth to a baby after going through that tragedy

I agree preventing pregnancy is the way to go, but abortion is not the same thing as murdering 10 yr olds when a body isn't even formed yet how is that the same thing?

Are you telling me if an innocent female is brutally attacked and raped by complete strangers and gets pregnant she should be forced to give birth to a baby after going through that tragedy

There are extremes at both end of the spectrum, sherryn. I guess when I think of abortion, I still think of 2nd and 3rd trimester.

I had five, yes five abortions between 1959 and 1965.In between those abortions I had four children, a nurse did the abortions with a clotheshanger!!!! I might burn in hell, but at least my husband and I was able to raise those four, send them to collage, and in return for that there are four productuve people that are not a burden to society, and niether was I. And for all the CHRIST-LIKE people who want to comment, until you have walked in the women:s shoes that choose to have an abortion don;t judge!!!! To those who consider abortion the greatest sin of all, how many children have you adopted, how many of you wan;t the welfare system to shut down? Just mak sure you and your daughters don:t have to make a choice. The rest of us will continue to make OUR CHOICE!!!!!!!!