We haven't abandoned King's dream

Well said, Tony Littles. For every group or person trying to make the dream come true, there is a group or person trying to continue the attitude of racism, discrimination, and reparations. I think the good guys are winning. Not fast enough for most of us, but progress is being made.

I believe that we are actually doing a good job of not judging by race and judging by content of character. We are disillusioned with the shiftless, the law-breaking, the citizens of any color who lack the moral qualities necessary. When we show our displeasure it sounds better to some to call it racist...

PT: I hope you are not counting yourself as part of the good guys. You just made a nasty comment about Liberals being immoral and now you are alll Kumba Ya--. Liberals have their opinions just as you have yours.

We need a white MLKjr to remind us that hopefully one day white people won't be judged by the color of their skin but by their character.

I think PT doesn't mean liberals are immoral but they are sinful. Morality is relative but sin isn't. But why would a liberal who was an atheist care if it is sinful since they don't believe in sin. You can set your moral compass anyways you want on any given issue.

So Bizarro, good republicans like Larry Craig, Ted Haggard, Mark Foley, Duke Cunningham...etc, etc, etc, AREN'T sinful or immoral? And are you under some assumption that just because a person holds liberal views that makes them an atheist? I would propose to you that Jesus was the first liberal. Look at his life and you tell me who he closer resembles..the wealthy conservative republicans who don't want a dime of their money helping the poor yet don't mind spending billions supporting a war, or the liberal democrats who support programs for the poor and are against war. I think it's hilarious that a whole religion who bases their belief on Jesus Christ - the son of God, a simple poor man who preached of peace, love, tolerance and charity, somehow thinks liberals, who preach that same message, are immoral. Go figure!

What do you mean King would be disappointed? Every dream he dreamed has been realized. The Civil Rights movement is history and these old geezers who marched in the 1960's can't make it to the 21st century where a black man just won in a former Confederate State and carried 25% of the white vote. Obama won in Iowa, an almost all white state, and he almost beat a white woman in New Hampshire coming in a close second. Those who cry racism today are crying "wolf" and haven't woke up from their 1960's slumber. Watch Obama take the old Confederate southern states in the primary and put the white Clinton's out of the political business forever. We have a black Secretary of State, a black coach won the Super Bowl last year, a black is on the Supreme Court, a black has been elected governor of a Confederate state (Wilder in Virginia). The civil rights victory has been won and the dream realized. Instead of singing "We Shall Overcome," somebody needs to write new verses to "We Overcame!"

As long as there are African Americans that think American Americans owe them something because they wouldn't be here if their ancestors weren't slaves the dream will remain a nightmare. Also look how dark it was in South Carolina Saturday. Looks like they would have voted for Edwards seeing how he's from the Carolinas.

The people that had Jesus crucified was Conservatives? I don't think so. The Roman Emporer ruler had Him crucified. He was no conservative and no liberal either. Thank goodnes that era is far behind us.

You don't read well or comprehend well Gagirl. I said everybody sins so no one has moral high ground. I was just making a distinction between morality (which is relative) and the religious belief in sin. I was also just making a typical characterization of liberals being atheist, which I don't know is factual or not-I haven't seen studies or polls. The fact is I don't recognize liberal or conservative because there idiotic stereotypes. I would assume most vote their convictions per issue, which generally runs the gambit. I think politicians have the least ground to breathe the word Moral independent of party. Oops I said it on another post.

Gagirl I think your note of humor would be drowned by the majority of the people on the planet. Over 90% of earth is inhabited by people of faith-of course only a third is Christian. Those without faith are a biological mutation, because without doubt religions are evolutionary memes and serve some biological and evolutionary role. I was a mutant till 45 then some latent gene was activated and I transformed into a Christian. There are a significant number of christians who don't believe God is real but concede faith is a biological reality so the believe-odd mentality for sure. Anyways why do feel compelled to belittle others belief in Christianity. Do you feel the same about Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, Jews, etc. or is it just Christians? When I was an atheist I could have cared less what faith people had and I thought it was hilarious too.

Bizarro, conservatives have no problem saying they're conservative, however, since the revolution of the conservative media, the word "liberal" is now thought to be a dirty word, so now most liberals claim to be "progressives". Makes no difference to me if you call me liberal or progressive, I wear the title proudly! Oh and by the way, there are hundreds of millions of liberals in church every Saturday and Sunday, so no, all liberals aren't atheists. Are all atheists liberals? Who knows, but we have definitely seen a lot of conservatives lately who claim to be good Christians, who can't claim any moral high ground themselves, haven't we?

When did I belittle Christians? I stated that Jesus was a peace loving, tolerant, charitable man, and yet conservatives who claim to be Christians mock liberals for having those very same characteristics. It's true. Gary Bauer said, "Our culture embraces all sorts of bad ideas in the name of "tolerance" or
unrestrained liberty." Liberals are in fact peace loving. We are tolerant. We would rather our tax dollars be used to help needy Americans rather than spent killing foreigners and American soldiers. And oh by the way, I am not an atheist, but I don't think people who don't have or know faith are "a biological mutation". I think they are either uninformed or have their own beliefs. Many people are spiritual, in that they believe in some kind of higher power, but don't fit neatly into any religious category, and that's fine for them. I personally choose to believe in God, the God of Christianity because that's all I know. But if I didn't know Him, I wouldn't be a biological mutation either. Those are pretty harsh words coming from a supposed Christian, by the way. But I guess my idea of Christianity is different than yours. To each his own.

Gagirl, I don't mean for mutant to sound harsh. I apologize if that is how is sounds. It is actually my thinking before I became a Christian. I see behaviors more like a neuroethologist and geneticist so it is just a biological evaluation. There is no God gene (nor a homosexual gene or biological substrate), although there are a number of studies on the belief of belief. Oddly enough there are a number of genetic mutations that do correlate with human behaviors. Like I say I was giving a generalization about liberals that many seem to evoke. I would call myself a conservative liberal or perhaps a liberal conservative-hee, hee. Sorry if I misread your comments as harsh. I too am an odd Christian. I don't believe in an eternal hell-just a lake of fire and the second death. I don't like the idea of threatening people into belief by fear of "your going to hell". Christianity is not a faith or a religion but a relationship with God. Experiencing God and his universe. I have a difficult time with the word "spiritual". I see a lot of paradox with Christian doctrine also. God introduced himself to me and then I searched Hindism, Islam, Judaism, and then Christianity hit a chord.

Some people come to their "religious" or "spiritual" beliefs on their own. They haven't grown up going to church or reading the bible. They come to a decision on their own by thinking and wondering "what is next, where did we come from and is there something else out there"? Just as we all have done in our lives. Some of us take our earlier teachings of Christ as fact and don't ask questions. Others of us ask questions. But in the end, we all make our own decisions. Some grapple with the idea, and since nothing can be proven definitively about God, yet they feel in their heart there is something greater, they can only claim the feeling they have as being "spiritual". I understand it completely.

Gagirl, hi, me again. How do you think your liberal Jesus would come down on abortion, gay marrage, social programs involving the govt' vs charities, and the death penality.

I don't think Jesus would approve of people taking advantage of the working class by refusing to work and living off charity. The poor today is not the same poor Jesus spoke of. It was a difficult time and the emporers and kings were beheading the poor and anyone who refused to follow their orders. Thank goodness, God created us equal but he gave us the brains to better ourselves. ** He said "Any man who won't care for his own is worse than an Infidel". I think he meant not to make others feed your family while you shirk your duties. This posting is my opinion only with one quote from the Bible.

reddog,liberal is't a skin color but rather an indication of our character and ideals. I would say judging you on that is exactly what Dr King was talking about but I won't try to put words in his mouth....I'll just say that's my opinion.

Greenjacket' I agree. We have overcame!!! We are not where we were. and if it was so bad between the races that some would want us to belive, we would be asking what race are you before we post to each other. I think the ones that make racist comments just want to see how many people they can get a rise out of!! I have been back in GA. for sixteen years , not one racist person have I came in contact with! So if they say goodmorning, hold the door for me with a smile, then they are not showing it in public, and that;s a good thing. We have overcame a lot and I am glad to see it happening!!!!!!!!!!!

OH yes you have!

Remember. a hand up, now a hand out!