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With so little of substance being offered up in presidential-candidate rhetoric, a lot of people are tuning candidates out.

But just look at the kinds of things they're saying on the campaign trail when people tune in .

In Iowa, Bill Richardson was touting his proposed national health care plan, and how he has made room in it for "holistic and spiritual medicine," according to The Wall Street Journal . He spoke to a small gathering in Des Moines:

"In my state, New Mexico, we've got more holistic healing than you do. I appreciate that kind of medical care. I appreciate dietary supplements. I appreciate oriental medicine. I think we have to open up health care delivery and access. You know how the doctors are. They want to keep it to themselves."

The issue of alternative medicine aside, think about those last two comments:

"You know how the doctors are. They want to keep it to themselves."

To him, physicians have some nerve, apparently. They barrel into the world of health care armed with years of professional training, just so they can treat ill patients and encourage healthier lifestyles. How dare they!

If some people think a particular branch of alternative medicine will improve their health, they should be free to choose that route if they wish. The government, however, shouldn't have to subsidize that quest.

Over at the Hillary Clinton campaign, the New York Daily News reported from New Hampshire, high oil prices will drop evidently at the mere sound of the senator's voice. Says the News:

"When the world hears her commitment at her inauguration about ending American dependence on foreign fuel, Clinton says, oil-pumping countries will lower prices to stifle America's incentive to develop alternative energy.

" 'I predict to you, the oil-producing countries will drop the price of oil,' Clinton said, speaking at the Manchester YWCA. 'They will once again assume, once the cost pressure is off, Americans and our political process will recede.' "

But that's not really how it works when it comes to oil. Countries themselves don't just "drop the price of oil."

When we see TV footage of all those burnoose-clad sheikhs gathering for an OPEC meeting, they're gathering not to set prices, but to set output. From there, the oil is sold in the free market. Supply and demand take it from there, among other economic factors. Oil-rich nations perhaps influence the price indirectly, but not to the point that the price can change at the drop of a "Hillary for President" campaign hat.

Are these kinds of remarks passing for sound reasoning these days on the campaign trail? No wonder groups of voters are throwing up their hands.

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patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 01/02/08 - 05:43 am
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We're starting the second

We're starting the second year of this campaign. If you let a politician talk long enough, he (or she) will say something too stupid to ignore. We have another year of it to hear. Only the ones offering "something for nothing" are being consistent with their core message. I'm afraid we're about to see how much the "American attitude" has deteriorated. Most uninformed voters find socialism to their liking. Shame on the media for misreporting the truth about it.

HTN007
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HTN007 01/02/08 - 07:03 am
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What about a "top 10" list

What about a "top 10" list for all the candidates such as the following:
1] Your plan for ending the War in Iraq?
2] Your plan to reestablishing oil output from Iraq?
3] Your plan to contain the ballooning debt and deficit related to 1 and 2?
4] Your plan for containing healthcare costs?
5] Your plan for getting healthcare for children that was supposed to be dealt with by the now vetoed SCHIP reauthorization bill?
6] Your plan for getting insurance coverage for the 50 million currently uninsureds?
7] Your plan to stave off the impending bankruptcy of Medicare?
8] Your plan to save social security?
9] Your plan for Pakistan that gets us something to show for our 10 billion thusfar invested without any results in clearing out the terror nests in the Hindu Kush region?
10] Your plan for securing our borders against illegal immigration?

If you guys in the media want answers from these candidates you need to confront them with the correct list of questions. Then, after responses are obtained, voters can see for themselves who is best.

DeborahElliott2
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DeborahElliott2 01/02/08 - 08:33 am
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They say that a president

They say that a president creates some crisis so as to fix it and win approval ratings, but now, even the candidates are having a hard time fixing this mess. Hahahahahahahahaha.

dani
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dani 01/02/08 - 08:54 am
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hypertension The answer that

hypertension The answer that would probably be forthcoming..: You can leave #1 off the list. The war is not much of a factor since the surge did it's job. And..#2 We don't get our oil output from Iraq. #3 More entitlements from the Dim's should help the growth immensely.#4.the socialized national health care without any input from the drug companies or medical community should fix this up. #5..Is no longer vetoed. This has been passed. Also see # 4. ...#6..See 4 & 5. ...#7..Would not dare touch this at election time. 8..See #7 #9..More of the same. Pakistan has the bomb... #10..Where would we get our maid and nannies?

mgroothand
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mgroothand 01/02/08 - 09:14 am
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An election is coming.

An election is coming. Universal peace is declared and the foxes have a sincere interest in prolonging the lives of the poultry.
T. S. Eliot

critter
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critter 01/02/08 - 10:02 am
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While I do agree with the

While I do agree with the article about how oil prices are set, I do remember that Bush came out saying something about how we were going to decrease America's dependence on oil by 75%, then had to retract that statement due to the uproar it caused among the oil producers. If we did get really serious about finding a real alternative energy source, since we are the #1 consumer of oil, that would mean overall demand drops. If demand drops, supply prices will inevitably drop as well.

johnsmith
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johnsmith 01/02/08 - 10:35 am
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Critter, we are no longer the

Critter, we are no longer the #1 consumer of FOREIGN oil. Hypertension, here are my answers to 1 - 10, all based on what is CONSTITUTIONAL and FREE-MARKET: 1-Win 2-See #1 3-End all spending not justified by Constitutional responsibilities 4-Not the government's job 5-Not the government's job 6-Not the government's job 7-Not the government's job 8-Not the government's job 9-Take savings from #3-#8 and increase military aid to Pakistan 10-Build a big-[filtered word] fence (two of them). See how easy? Here's the problem: our gov't schools, which cannot even find the fortitude required to expel students who physically attack their teachers and principals, have failed so miserably, that most people cannot do the simple math required--nor have the readings skills needed--to demonstrate that your points #4-#8 are not only unconstitutional, but actually not possible for ANY government to address SATISFACTORILY. All govt can do as accumulate power, ration benefits, and deny citizens the right to seek their own satisfactory answers. Look at public education to see the future of public "health" and the like. You are asking the wrong questions, I'm afraid...

critter
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critter 01/02/08 - 10:36 am
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Really? Then 1 - who is the

Really? Then 1 - who is the #1 consumer of foreign oil, and 2 - how far down the list are we now?

johnsmith
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johnsmith 01/02/08 - 10:48 am
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raymond, how ASTONISHING that

raymond, how ASTONISHING that a conservative who believes in limited government (PT), would "cast aspersions" on attempts to "GIVE all Americans access to quality healthcare" (emphasis mine). Conservatives oppose Medicare and Medicaid because, like any entitlement service, they are programs that provide unfettered access and zero incentive for the consumer to economize. They are unconstitutional programs designed to buy votes. There is no justification for them and they do not work. Understand me: they "work" for my grandma, but like EVERY Ponzi scheme, they are destined to fail because they cannot sustain the unlimited growth in demand and zero pressure to conserve. It's so strange to me that socialists can see how this works with oil-and thus support higher taxes to raise prices and promote conservation-but don't think it matters for healthcare. Of course healthcare costs are up. Do you realize that, in a few months, there will be FOUR full-serve pharmacies, one on each corner, at the corner of Alexander and Washington? We USE a TREMENDOUSLY increased amount of "healthcare" now, enough to keep two of those pharmacies open 24/7...why would the cost not go up?

Bizarro
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Bizarro 01/02/08 - 10:51 am
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Pres. Jonhnson signed into

Pres. Jonhnson signed into existence Medicare and Medicaid in 65. We have had 42 years of this and predictions for the future of medicare are bleak. Fraud in medicare makes it unworkable. Medicaid will consume over 20% of our states budget to help the poor. What happend to the rugged independent American? Now everyone expects government to solve their problems. As I see it government is creating more problems than they are solving.

johnsmith
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johnsmith 01/02/08 - 10:54 am
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In the same way, now, you

In the same way, now, you could argue that the gov't ought to subsidize everyone's information technology. After all, in the "good old days" to which you harken back in health care (back when, apparently, everybody had a personal physician who was sitting by the phone, waiting for a call from a patient, whom he was happy to treat in exchange for two shekels and a chicken), everyone's technology budget was close to zero dollars. They had a telephone (leased from Ma Bell) and a TV that represented a one-time expenditure, after which it got its signal for free. I'm not an old codger (yet), and that was my family's total expenditure on information technology until I was all grown up and out on my own. I now pay for cable ($80+/month), telephone ($30+ / month), cell phone for the missus and me ($90+ / month), Internet access ($50+ / month), have to buy a new computer every couple of years ($1000+, divided by 24 months = $40+ / month to amortize). That's $300 / month, and we don't even get HBO. I need government assistance if I'm going to be informed and in touch!

johnsmith
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johnsmith 01/02/08 - 10:59 am
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critter, China, which is now

critter, China, which is now setting up to drill in PRECISELY those sites in the Caribbean which the eco-nuts won't allow US businesses to drill. Gee, let's see, any law of unintended consequences there? We kept US companies (which have to abide by US labor laws) from drilling right off our own coast, thus preventing US workers from getting jobs, increasing our dependence on ME oil, allowing a Communist state that makes widespread use of slave labor to drill in those fields, taking oil that they can then ship back to China, where it will be burned without abiding by the high EPA standards enforced in the US, generating more pollution by a factor of about 10 than it would in the US, to power factories staffed by political prisoners, who make lead-contaminated, arsenic-laced toys and food that gets shipped to the US at prices that undercut our domestic industry and put it out of business. Woo-hoo, what a great business model. I can certainly see why people vote liberal and support Earth First and the like! We've all benefited so much from extending MFN status to China.

LaTwon
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LaTwon 01/02/08 - 11:07 am
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everyone of the problems

everyone of the problems listed, 1 thru 10, are unconstitutional
acts or programs. perhaps the founding fathers knew a little something, perhaps they knew their history. the constitution is not to govern us but to govern the government. who is more out of control? who is actually the real enemy of the republic? of freedom and liberty? of sound money? who is the real enemy of our constitution?

NotyourDadsBuick
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NotyourDadsBuick 01/02/08 - 11:23 am
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doctors are businessmen.

doctors are businessmen. some may do what they do for the greater good, but most are in it for the payola. i'm not familiar with bill richardson's statement other than what is represented here, but I can see where m.d.'s would not want to grant any of their turf to outsiders (chiropractors, holistic meds, etc.). it's all about the money, always has been, always will be.

critter
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critter 01/02/08 - 11:25 am
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Funny - looks to me like

Funny - looks to me like China's moving up, but we're still #1 in demand and importation of foreign sources. Regardless, are you saying that if we cut our demand drastically that the supply price would NOT drop?

KSL
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KSL 01/02/08 - 11:25 am
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Yes, johnsmith, and I bet a

Yes, johnsmith, and I bet a lot of those complaining they can't pay for health insurance are spending the same $300 per month on technology.

dani
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dani 01/02/08 - 11:35 am
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critter..Think back and you

critter..Think back and you will see that it might not be the fault of George W Bush this time. They was a loud cry from the left because Cheney met with the experts (oil producers) in regard to an energy program. This was never passed. There was no energy bill not because Bush didn't ty but because the Democrats would not even consider passing one under any conditions.
Remember Al Gore saying if he was elected presdent he would release the oil reserves, Clinton did, it did not help. There was a crises even then that many choose to ignore. They prefer to say "it's Bush's fault"

critter
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critter 01/02/08 - 11:42 am
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I'm not suggesting that it

I'm not suggesting that it was Bush's fault, I simply said that when Bush came out and said we're gonna reduce our demand by 75% there was such a hue and cry that he had to back off. I'm also saying that we are such a huge consumer of oil in world market that if we were to get really serious about reducing the amount we demand that prices from suppliers would have to go down as well - unless other countries stepped in and took up the amount of oil we were using.

KSL
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KSL 01/02/08 - 11:45 am
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Which they will.

Which they will.

critter
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critter 01/02/08 - 11:46 am
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And if they do, and we're

And if they do, and we're weaned off oil to a far greater degree than we are now, we're still less impacted by the price of oil.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 01/02/08 - 11:57 am
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Notyourdadsbuick there are a

Notyourdadsbuick there are a lot of easier ways to make a living than attending four years college, four years medical school, 2-6 years training and board certification, and an average debt of 130,000 dollars. Not every doctor makes a lot of money either-depends on your specialty. Nowadays doesn't matter what price the doctor sets anyways because they only get what insurance will offer. Of course there are "bad" doctors but there are "bad" every occupation. Some people are in it for the money-most all occupations.

LaTwon
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LaTwon 01/02/08 - 12:11 pm
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the price of oil is also a

the price of oil is also a result of the weakness of our currency.
gold is 855.00 today, up over 19 dollars. since oil is traded in dollars, as the dollar goes off a cliff, oil will rise. soon oil will be 200.

NotyourDadsBuick
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NotyourDadsBuick 01/02/08 - 02:06 pm
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everyone works for the money

everyone works for the money (except those who volunteer their time and services). but only doctors are held out in such high esteem by the public and are held out to be infallible. as for their debt, everyone is graduating with debt these days unless mommy and daddy are paying for college and grad school.

NotyourDadsBuick
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NotyourDadsBuick 01/02/08 - 02:08 pm
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Wasn't oil at $40 per barrel

Wasn't oil at $40 per barrel before we invaded Iraq? Is the steep increase per barrel due to Iraq's depletion in production, increased demand worldwide, something else, or all of the above?

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 01/02/08 - 02:29 pm
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The small amount of oil lost

The small amount of oil lost to the world market due to Iraq was more then made up for by a tiny increase in production by other middle east producers. The rapid increase of oil prices is due to the huge consumption of oil by China and India, both burgeoning economies.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 01/02/08 - 03:18 pm
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The day doctors were held in

The day doctors were held in high esteem is long gone. That was my father and grandfathers generation. Just read the post here and you will realize many think they know best and have no respect for physicians. Doctors have little say in todays world as they are held hostage by insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies. Most degrees are not 130,000 dollars worth. I have a number of advanced degrees but none equaled that amount-most graduate schools subsidize their students. I even went to medical school for a number of years before I realized that it was not my cup of tea. There are a lot easier ways to make money.

NotyourDadsBuick
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NotyourDadsBuick 01/02/08 - 03:29 pm
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Bizarro, I don't dispute any

Bizarro, I don't dispute any of what you've just stated. But I know that non-medical post grad degrees are a costly proposition these days and can easily set the student back at least six figures. Not sure if it makes sense to go that route (even if the pursuit of higher education is a worthwhile endeavor) when you can only recoup your costs in a handful of professions (doctors are one, lawyers at large firms are another). Frankly, I think people are better off as entrepreneurs and then selling the idea/business/whatever to a corporate behemoth, and then doing it all over again.

dani
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dani 01/02/08 - 03:42 pm
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Bizarro..I think it is called

Bizarro..I think it is called jealousy. The have-nots refuse to think well of anyone who is successful. Makes the under-achievers look bad.

Tall1
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Tall1 01/02/08 - 03:56 pm
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The 57% price increase of oil

The 57% price increase of oil last year is largely due to speculators and refineries not producing at full output. Demand from India and China are secondary factors. Until we start to harvest any and all oil reserves we find in the USA or wean ourselves of our oil habit, we'll be paying thru the nose.

Tall1
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Tall1 01/02/08 - 03:58 pm
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The increasing willingness of

The increasing willingness of the Federal Reserve to lower interest rates from inflation fear will continue to drive the value of our dollar to historic lows. It's high time we had a recession, if for no other reason than to allieve the fear of it. Until we do, prices will continue to spiral and our incomes will lose value like our houses.

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