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Regarding "Petraeus report was so much snake oil" (Sept. 13): Lowell Greenbaum has struck again.

He is best qualified to spread his snake oil and garbage, equivalent to a PFC (Private Foul Citizen) criticizing an honorable, knowledgeable and effective four-star general.

Unfortunately but proudly, I am one of many veterans responsible for giving Dr. Greenbaum access to tooting his horn through freedom of speech. Can the good doctor claim the same responsibility and accomplishment? ...

The self-proclaimed military knowledge of Dr. Greenbaum is doubtfully infinite. Consequently, his expertise is best suited in Washington, D.C., advising my president, thereby joining his cohorts, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and the rest of those wanna-bes.

This doctor has bragged about bringing Slick Willie (a.k.a. President Clinton) up the Savannah River in 1992 on a pontoon boat, and claims affiliation with former Senate Majority Leader Charles Walker. I highly recommend the good doctor apply for a crash course on how to chose respectable, honest and loyal friends.

The Democrats' claim to fame is having started a downward domino effect beginning with President Carter's Panama Canal miscue, amplified by his inviting the draft resisters and deserters to return home - creating one of the biggest blunders in American history since President Truman relieved Gen. Douglas MacArthur. And let us not forget the Monica Lewinsky episode

Yes, the surge in Iraq is failing - with the help of Democrats aiding the enemy with despicable, blasphemous and erroneous propaganda. This jargon from Dr. Greenbaum is by far borderline sacrilege: to "cut and run" and duplicate our Vietnam fiasco, and further shrink our dollar worldwide (like the euro in Europe).

Dr. Greenbaum is unable to comprehend that his grandchildren eventually will suffer greatly in many ways for his determined falsehoods. God bless us all.

Leo Charette, Hephzibah

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jade
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jade 09/24/07 - 11:14 pm
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wow, a textbook example of

wow, a textbook example of the favored republican tactic of attacking the person rather than the issue at hand. greenbaum's friends have nothing to do with his views on iraq, nor does the fact that someone in his party received a bj from an intern. when charette is not busy personally attacking greenbaum, he makes absurd unsubstantiated claims about the war, such as the fact that the surge is failing (which his hero, patraeus, contradicts, btw) in part because of democrats. kpc, you should be all over this LTE for stating so many opinions as facts!

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 09/25/07 - 04:01 am
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As a leader of the local

As a leader of the local democrat party, Dr Greenbaum has a duty to belittle the country and the Republican party. It's part of the job. Only fools will be fooled by his rhetoric.

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_kpc_ 09/25/07 - 04:04 am
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I'll take the bait jade. I in

I'll take the bait jade. I in fact DO condem the presenting of opinions as facts, even when I agree with the opinions. You will never see such character from many on the left. I dare say you will see the return of the "one trick pony" today with his usual spinwords as well. Let's see you condem him like I do this writer.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 09/25/07 - 04:07 am
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Veteran Leo Charette exhibits

Veteran Leo Charette exhibits amazing vitriol. Here is another self-congratulatory veteran who thinks the only reason we have the right of free speech is due to military heros. Of course, he counts himself among the heros. So much for humility. Like jade, I found the contradictions is this piece of work fabulous. Leo Charette ADMITS THE SURGE IS A FAILURE. Who does he blame? Democrats of course! Because Democrats practice their right of free speech which Charette fought to give them. Charette also credits the power of words & democratic debate as reasons the surge is a failure. By objecting to the war in Iraq & by exercising our right of free speech, Democrats are aiding the enemy,Charette argues. Sounds like Charette favors censorship. Deficit spending, ballooning national debt & fiscal irresponsibility are killing the dollar. The Republic Party of endless wars has been in power for 6 years 8 months. Every cent for the war in Iraq has been borrowed. Like Vietnam, the war in Iraq is resulting in deficits, debt & inflation. The euro hit a new high against the dollar 2 days ago. Gen. David Petraeus has a track record of trumpeting rosy scenarios in Iraq. Petraeus = Westmoreland

GACopperhead
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GACopperhead 09/25/07 - 05:18 am
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JRHC, it would be nice for

JRHC, it would be nice for you to quit using the spin words. They make those of us who are against the war intelligently look like the rest of the 70's wannabes. Use documented facts, refrain from spin and debate this war as it should be. I disagree with the war, but see why we went there as being a moot point, now. We are there, and what is the best way to extricate ourselves from this quagmire? Iraq is allied with Iran, it's government supports and protects the corrupt, and has as a member an Iranian backed cleric who publicly advocates the killing of American soldiers and controls a militia that is responsible for thousands of sectarian killings. These are all legitimate, fact-based arguments for leaving Iraq. The big question, though, is do we want to leave and allow Iran to become Iraq's main ally? I don't see that as being a wise course of action any more than staying.

GACopperhead
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GACopperhead 09/25/07 - 05:25 am
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And I don't see Petraeus as

And I don't see Petraeus as being another Westmoreland, the dollar is dropping as much because of the greed in banking and real estate speculation and other things. There are many reasons for our ills, and we the American people are as responsible as any for them.
I say it's time to clean out Congress, which does nothing except put more money in it's own pockets, and don't elect one of the status quo politicians who are running. They are all crooks, and I don't believe one of them will actually do what they say they'll do. No such thing as a good politician or lawyer....hehe.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 09/25/07 - 05:38 am
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I'll use whatever words I see

I'll use whatever words I see fit to describe the situation in Iraq
whether you or anybody else likes it or not, GACopperhead. United
States illegally invaded a country that never attacked or threatened
this country. WE ARE THE AGGRESSORS! That is why this war is going
badly - not because of poor tactics or because of Iranian meddling.
UNITED STATES ILLEGALLY OCCUPIES IRAQ & AFGHANISTAN. 2,500 years of
Afghan history points to the fact that no foreign power has ever
subdued the Afghans. Not Alexander the Great, nor the Brits, not the
Soviets. Baghdad has been sacked at least 17 times in history - yet no
foreign occupier has ever been able to govern Mesopotamia. This is the
cradle of civilization. You think upstart Americans with a 231 year
history can govern a people with a 5000 year history? You think we
understand the languages, customs, history & political nuances of
Iraq, Iran, Kurdistan, Turkey, Syria, Saudi Arabia & Jordan? Look
at the refugee crisis. There are no spin words that overcharacterise
the DIASASTER, FIASCO, CLUSTER YOU KNOW WHAT, DEBACLE, MORASS,
QUAGMIRE, this godforsaken war is. IGNORANT, ARROGANT
AMERICANS DON'T HAVE A CLUE TO THE SUFFERING WE HAVE CAUSED.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 09/25/07 - 05:52 am
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Illegal war. Radical

Illegal war. Radical Islamists right, Americans wrong. National Defense=arrogant, ignorant Americans. War is hell. Good stuff O.Cain. And new. You must really be doing some heavy research, dude.

GACopperhead
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GACopperhead 09/25/07 - 05:56 am
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Well, now....have I hit a

Well, now....have I hit a nerve? Actually, though I hate to say it, the UN agreements sighned by Saddam gave us the right to legally invade Iraq, had he wanted to, he could have shown us that he had obeyed the rules set up after his illegal invasion of Kuwait. unwise? Certainly! Illegal? No. Afghanistan was the training and staging point for the 9/11 attacks, they had ample opportunity to stop, but they didn't. I see Iraq as a distraction from the war against Al Qaeda, we should still have major forces in Afghanistan, should be destroying their poppy fields whether they like it or not, as it provides majority funding for the Taliban and Al Qaeda. We should be boycotting Saudi oil, and not selling arms to Iraq , Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia. The only way we're going to stop them is to totally isolate them, especially financially. Any country that sells to or buys from them should be boycotted and/or sanctioned. Will this cause us hardship, hell yes, but there is a cost for everything.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 09/25/07 - 05:58 am
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More than 20 retired U.S.

More than 20 retired U.S. generals oppose the U.S. war in Iraq.
"Generals opposing Iraq war break with military tradition" by Mark
Sauer [San Diego Union-Tribune] September 23, 2007
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/iraq/20070923-9999-1n23generals...

NoDem
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NoDem 09/25/07 - 06:13 am
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Mr Charette attacked the

Mr Charette attacked the message of Dr. Greenbaum and rightfully so. Greenbaum has typlified the Dem's behavior and deserves his come-uppance. Too bad the Dem's did not learn from the experiences of WW II and work to unite the country and win rather than their current Surrender tactic. If the Dem's want to win elections, they need to get off their blame America first kick.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 09/25/07 - 06:52 am
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You are on your game today

You are on your game today GaCooperhead! I agree. The conflict in Iraq will be over in the next year. The Muslim "jesus" will soon arrive in Iraq and Islam will conguer the world, at least that is what I heard at Columbia Univ. yesterday.

Dedicated
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Dedicated 09/25/07 - 06:53 am
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Cain is an idiot!

Cain is an idiot!

Vulcan_Rider
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Vulcan_Rider 09/25/07 - 07:06 am
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I find the debate in here to

I find the debate in here to be really good, except for the attacks such as 'dork' calling someone an idiot. When I read things like that, it simply tells me that the writer can not defend his or her position and has to resort to name calling. As to Cain's first response to this, I disagree with most of his points, but he has the right to express them without the name calling. If you don't agree with someone here, why can't you argue the issue, not the person putting forth the idea?

Bizarro
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Bizarro 09/25/07 - 07:06 am
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"He's back again, spewing

"He's back again, spewing falsehoods" that should be the title of the LTE retorts. Why respect twenty retired generals then trash numerous active generals. That is a weak stance. What about the IGNORANT, ARROGANT Terrorist DON'T HAVE A CLUE TO THE SUFFERING they HAVE CAUSED. I agree with Cooperhead the spin words make Cain sound like Bill O'Reilly. Patricia sees the spin of Greenbaum and the LTE. Cain I hope you realize that IGNORANT, ARROGANT AMERICANS DON'T HAVE A CLUE TO THE SUFFERING WE HAVE CAUSED, also applies to you as an American. Vulcan this is not a debate-get real! I do have to agree with Cain that leaving the area and lets see what precipitate may be the best course. If we have to go back militarily then it won't be a police action but a full blown war. Ahmadinejhad has made it perfectly clear he wants war and chaos numerous times.

mojoinaugusta
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mojoinaugusta 09/25/07 - 07:35 am
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Cain - you need to fact check

Cain - you need to fact check your budget assertions - the reason our government is waist deep in deficit spending is entitlements - which are used bt the dems buy votes.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 09/25/07 - 08:11 am
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All lands are illegally

All lands are illegally acquired and inhabitated through time as cultures spread and change-that is just history and is neutral because no one is ever right or wrong just victorious. We took this land from the indigenous indians who took it from a more ancient culture. Looking through the lens of history that statement means nothing least we just kill everybody for being wrong. Why demonize America when I have yet to see any country filled with saints.

WW1949
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WW1949 09/25/07 - 08:15 am
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RSR you are right. Check out

RSR you are right. Check out the percentage spent on entitlements and you will see it is the highest percentage of out tax dollar spent. My feeling is the government should let the soldiers get tougher and clean out the country.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 09/25/07 - 08:26 am
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While I have argued to stay

While I have argued to stay only because al Qaeda is present. It seems this police action maynot be productive. If we pull completely out then likely things will escalate and we will be back but not a occupiers just destroyers. As destroyers we would succeed without reservation. We have weak diplomatic ground to stand, but very strong humanitarian and destructive capacity as paradoxical as that sounds. We need to be making deals with Canada for their oil rather than kissing up to the Sauds. Canada has just as big of reserves as Saudia Arabia, and we wouldn't have to make all the concessions. Without oil our country would cease to function.

LaTwon
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LaTwon 09/25/07 - 08:37 am
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here is a good read about the

here is a good read about the death of our republic/empire. you cannot be a republic and an empire. this is a book review .
http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory147.html

stillamazed
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stillamazed 09/25/07 - 09:04 am
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What the radical Islams in

What the radical Islams in the Middle East have that we don't have is passion... a passion to survive and a passion to destroy the United States. Prior to 9/11 we had been safe and comfortable but the safe and comfort days are over. The radical Islams want us all dead....Wake up America, someone has to have the balls to stand up and let them know that we aren't standing for it. This isn't a Republican or Democrat issue, this is an American issue.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 09/25/07 - 09:09 am
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I wouldn't say America is an

I wouldn't say America is an empire. Great Britain and the USSR are the last two major imperialist empire builders. We tend to give lands back rather than occupy for eternity, although we still have some territories most of our presence is just presence. Germany, S. Korea, etc. we are just there and not active in government or decisions. I hope that it is not the death of our country but a time for a change to better country. Many seem to hate America and seem to want to punish America which seems self destructive. I agree there have been mistakes and room for improvements but I hope for something better for my kids and grandkids not oppression by some new regime. Let us put an end to the tyrannical Rep and Dem regimes and bring independence back to our country.Vote for independents or against incumbents. That is a good start for a change.

jack
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jack 09/25/07 - 09:12 am
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Amazing how Cain can try and

Amazing how Cain can try and denigrate a veteran, calling them "self proclaimed heros". This from a Vietnam era draft dodger who admits he would have run off to Canada had he been drafted. Cain really shows his ignorance and arrogance when he equates Gen Westmoreland to Gen Petreus, as Westmoreland had his hands tied by LBJ and his sycophant SECDEF McNamara. Petreus on the other hand, does not have such constraints and is accomplishing the mission he has been given. As for the comment that Gen Petreus "has a track record of trumpeting rosy scenarios in Iraq". Cain, disprove anything that Gen Petreus has reported to Congress this time or any other time. BTW, it's about time you realized that any thing that a draft dodging coward has to say about the military has absolutely NO credibility, espcially a Vietnam era draft dodger talking about Vietnam (or anything else).

jack
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jack 09/25/07 - 09:20 am
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Cain. let me remind you one

Cain. let me remind you one more time. Just because YOU say the invasion of Iraq and Afghaistan are illegal, just don't make it so. So much hot air and usual bloviating by you is just that and nothing more. Yes, you can use any words here you please because I, Charette and hundreds of thousands just like us served and gave that right to you, as are our men and women today. However, when are you willing to say your crap to a military or other forum (other than moveon.org or the dailykook)? You were once offered to speak to the Signal Corps Sergeants Major Academy, but didn't have the gonads to spew your crap to those you would spew so freely about. Not unusual for a coward.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 09/25/07 - 09:24 am
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I disagree jack, Cain has a

I disagree jack, Cain has a right to an opinion. I would say he hates America and wants America punished, which by definition is unAmerican. So he is an unAmerican American who wants to leave Iraq. There are plenty of American Americans who also want to leave Iraq. I would rather focus on where we agree than disagree. I agree with Cain American has been in error in many ways, but I just don't want to be self-destructive. He probably doesn't either it just comes across that way. I like his passion for the subject.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 09/25/07 - 10:25 am
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Jack, Gen. Petraeus' model

Jack, Gen. Petraeus' model program in Tal Afar has fallen apart. You can look up Petraeus' triumpalist statements about progress being made in Iraq going back to 2004. Heck, Gen. Petraeus wrote an op-ed in 2004 that helped Bush get re-elected. YOU do the research, lazy addled Jack. The surge is NOT working. Cooking the numbers is EXACTLY what Westmorland did in Vietnam with body counts. Petreaus did the same thing in his presentation - claiming the surge is working. The AP, Reuters, the GAO, Gen. James Jones' group, McClatchy, Atrios & others have documented that civilian deaths have NOT decreased in Iraq. Petraeus helped escalate this war just like Westmorland did in Vietnam. And for those who pay attention - Petraeus has said it takes a decade or more to win a counterinsurgency war - and there have been damn few examples in history! Thanks for the backhand compliment, bizarro. Defending this country is one thing. Waging a neocolonial war of aggression in Iraq with oil as a prime reason (as Alan Greenspan admits) is another thing. UNITED STATES WILL LOSE THIS WAR WHETHER WE FIGHT ON FOR ANOTHER 10, 20, OR 50 YEARS. Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan will be pacified by U.S. occupiers.

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sjgraci 09/25/07 - 10:45 am
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A Pentagon report is also

A Pentagon report is also showing Petraeus cooked the books! He betrayed us! It is not unusual for this C in C to hide behind a general just like he did when Colin Powell cooked the books before the world at the UN. This surge/escalation was Bush's last chance to claim some success in Iraq. This whole mess is due to a failure of leadership on part of the C in C. Had Bush listened to the world in the first place, we would not be in this mess. Still, had he listened to Shinseki, we would not be spending billions and wasting lives some FIVE years later. Had he shown some leadership, America would be fighting the war on terrorism and not just America's military. The "Surge" as one Infantry CSM has told me, "is too little, too late". He knows it, his men know it, and Patraeus and Bush know it. It is the rubes in this country who have been wrong since day one that don't.

sjgraci
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sjgraci 09/25/07 - 11:06 am
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Cain has far more courage

Cain has far more courage stating publicly his opposition to fight a misguided war of his generation and willingness to evade it than those in this administration who supported it vocally yet avoided it just the same. They are the Chickenhawks. The true cowards. Not Cain. Standing up for your beliefs and fighting an injustice is a great American trait. Verbally attacking those opposed to a war while hiding behind the military or flag and never serving oneself is not. Those that do are the cowards all to willing to shed the blood of others while not risking their own. There are are far too many commentors on this board to which this applies.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 09/25/07 - 11:23 am
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Cain I am just seeing if your

Cain I am just seeing if your listening. You tend to ignore me so I goaded you some-I'm sorry. I don't believe your unAmerican, but I do think some people tend to read your posts in that manner. I agree with sjgraci that standing up for your beliefs and fighting injustice is a great American trait. We should all be doing the same for local and national issues. To be honest, you have made me aware of info I was completely unaware. It makes you think how poor journalism is becoming that you have to doggedly hunt for the truth and filter through all the crap. Keep it up. If you note most people just rant at you rather than deal with your posits. Now that is sincere. If this country were occupied by a foreign presence then hell would know no greater fury. Look how people react to illegal immigration.

LaTwon
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LaTwon 09/25/07 - 11:45 am
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since we are so into regime

since we are so into regime change, the most cost effective way would have been to capture amehnijad yesterday and saw his head off. however that is not the most profitable way for the MIC
and stockholders thereof and it would be over too soon and we wouldnt get to burn any innocents alive. collateral damage rocks.
lets show them what free people of values can do to their punk country and make sure they know chimp flightsuit is leader of the world. how dare them think they can self determine anything.
in the name of the prince of peace, lets kill them all...............
yeeee haaawwwwww

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