Petraeus report was so much snake oil

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America listened and hoped while Gen. David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker mouthed beautiful words in the recent congressional hearings, but in the end gave nothing to the people - nothing that shows we have a plan to end the occupation of Iraq.

In an astonishing admission, the ambassador admitted that the surge has not accomplished its goal to begin the political process to make Iraq a vibrant democracy. Instead, he pointed to Anbar province, a province with 2 percent of the population of Iraq, as a great success for tribal cooperation that he hoped will sweep through the country as a bottom-to-top miracle to put Iraq together again. What kind of snake oil is that?

Gen. Petraeus showed a chart illustrating how he was going to remove all the troops. The problem is that the chart had no timeline at all. His contribution was that 30,000 troops would be removed sometime next summer. When challenged that that would put us back to the 130,000 troops we had before the surge, he said this was progress because he could have ordered them to stay. What kind of smoke and mirrors is that?

The bottom line is that if Republicans and conservative Democrats vote for the upcoming $200 billion appropriation bill for the occupation, they will approve of our soldiers shedding their blood for years to come. Many in the congressional hearing challenged the president's men, and told them they would not buy the snake oil. Now it is time for all Americans to do the same and stop the bleeding of both blood and money.

If you go along with the president, we are looking at a plan of 10 more years of occupation and dying. This is what Gen. Petraeus really proposed.

Lowell M. Greenbaum, Augusta

(The writer is chairman of the Richmond County Democratic Party.)

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wildman
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wildman 09/13/07 - 04:00 am
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Greenbaum, Please just stop.

Greenbaum, Please just stop. Everybody is tired of you spewing the same message. What has the current Congress done? Let me answer for you, NOTHING

t of i
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t of i 09/13/07 - 04:12 am
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I think the chairman of the

I think the chairman of the Richmond County Democratic Party should be concentrating on his own territory, not expounding on national and international matters. Clean up your own home first.

CHIEF
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CHIEF 09/13/07 - 04:26 am
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another democratic idot. his

another democratic idot. his time has passed and his comments are not important. he makes our community ugly.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 09/13/07 - 04:36 am
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Politics. It's Mr Greenbaums

Politics. It's Mr Greenbaums job to spew the party line. National democrats were saying the exact same thing two weeks before Gen. Petraeus gave his report. They looked foolish and uninformed too.

The_Last_Word
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The_Last_Word 09/13/07 - 04:47 am
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Dear voters of the CSRA, This

Dear voters of the CSRA, This Fall you will be asked to once again choose your leaders for the next few years. You have a clear choice. Lowell Greenbaum represents the Democrat Party. Georgians have long voted Democrat for many reasons. Our Democrats were typically not the rabid liberals of the national Democrat Party, but, instead, were of the ilk of Zell Miller and Sam Nunn. But those days are long gone. The Democrat Party has been high-jacked by the radical, anti-war leftists who, like Lowell Greenbaum, disrespect a decorated war hero and leader of our Soldiers in a time of war. Mr. Greenbaum speaks for all Democrats of the CSRA - at all levels of government. You have a choice. Will you continue to support candidates who talk of strong defense while at home but in Washington vote to defund the troops or to set a timeline for withdrawal from Iraq? No, thanks to Mr. Greenbaum we have a clearer picture of what will happen if we select Democrat leaders this Fall. Vote Republican, vote your conscience, vote with patriotism, vote to support our troops and to give them what they need to finish the job and come home.

NoDem
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NoDem 09/13/07 - 05:01 am
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There is no surprise with

There is no surprise with Greenbaum for he is just another liberal who has fed at the public trough all his adult life. What is a surprise is that he did not rfer to the General in the same way as moveon.org, "General Betray Us." I'll bet Greenbaum has never served the country.

shivas
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shivas 09/13/07 - 05:58 am
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I have to admit I am somewhat

I have to admit I am somewhat disappointed at how fellow democrats are handling themselves these days. Most Democrats, such as myself, believe in a measured strategy out of Iraq that holds the Iraqi Govt. acoountable, with time-frames. Attacking General Petraeus, and referring to him as a political puppet is just the same type of rhetoric spewed by the far-right when attacking Liberal positions. I would hope we can be more intelligent and thoughtful than that. I truly hate the rhetoric and the political posturing concerning this war. Democrats had an opportunity to gain control of all brancehes of govt., but as usual, we are shooting ourselves in the foot. Please do not take this as support of conservative positions or support for initially going into Iraq.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 09/13/07 - 06:19 am
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The moveon.org add in the NYT

The moveon.org add in the NYT is typical of the fringe left. The fact that not even democrat presidential candidates will speak out against this type of "free speach" says a lot about who accepted campaign contributions. Today's democrat party represents all of the worst parts of American politics.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 09/13/07 - 06:20 am
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A friend of mine who worked

A friend of mine who worked in a lab next to Greenbaum told me a story about him. He said there was an instrument in the hall between the labs that caught fire while a technician was repairing it. The thing caught fire and the technician ran for his life. Greenbaum ran out saw the fire grabbed a fire extinquisher and ran about two feet towards the fire then set the extinquisher down and ran for his life. My friend picked up the extinquisher and put out the fire with apparent great risk to his life. I know this to be a true story as he showed me the letter of accommodation from then President Tedescco for his heroic act. He laughed and said he knows of no one who would not have done the same. Well apparently not!!! Anyways that is anectdotal and I don't know if I would risk my life for the institution either. I guess I should add before this is cast as a criticism that my friend seemed to like Greenbaum and mentioned what a friendly, bright and productive gentleman he is, and how he respected him. I guess all things are relative.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 09/13/07 - 06:26 am
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That is so funny Patti and

That is so funny Patti and true. How many times have we heard Harry Reid get up and talk about the dishonest crooked Republicans, and yet it turns out his party is much the same. I agree with Jack Rafferty there should be term limits on Congress-serve one time and your outta there. All Americans should rally and vote out all incumbents and lets start with some new blood. I guess the Dems are playng shoot the messenger when it comes to Petraeus. Good post Shiva!!!

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Republicant 09/13/07 - 06:51 am
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I wish that more of you could

I wish that more of you could be as informed and centrist as Patricia and Chief. Much easier to control.

teharper428
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teharper428 09/13/07 - 07:05 am
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As you are, Shivas, I am sick

As you are, Shivas, I am sick of the political games played by both parties. Bush just wants to hang in so he can turn the occupation over to the next president and the democratic congress hopes that Bush hangs himself (and his party in the process) with his refusal to withdraw a significant number of troops out. Our U.S. troops are the pawns in the middle, having to serve longer (15 months instead of 12) and be on their 2nd or 3rd tour of duty to Iraq.
I think the main problem for both political parties is that no one knows for sure what to do to end the occupation.If troops are withdrawn and Iraq gets worse, it'll be perceived as the democrats fault and if troops remain and it gets worse it'll be perceived as the republicans fault.
I never thought we should invade Iraq. Now that we have occupied the country for almost 5 years, I certainly don't know the answer in getting the Iraqi to govern their own country.

Republicant
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Republicant 09/13/07 - 07:07 am
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Where's the article on the

Where's the article on the missing nuclear warhead? Been searching around and haven't found anything online. 150 megatons you say? Buy your silly Euros, they disintegrate as quickly as dollars do. I'm more worried about the fact that I wont be able to catch the Heroes season premiere if something happens. Maybe your Euros will save us!

Republicant
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Republicant 09/13/07 - 07:12 am
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Has something gone down

Has something gone down already? My credit cards and home phone are not working. I'm checking CNN & Fox's websites

WorriedAboutOurFuture
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WorriedAboutOurFuture 09/13/07 - 07:14 am
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I'll be interested to see

I'll be interested to see where we all are 10 years from now if the savior democrats take over completely and pull out before things can be handed off to the Iraqis. Very possibly we'll see things from the grave.

mojoinaugusta
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mojoinaugusta 09/13/07 - 07:20 am
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The problem with this letter

The problem with this letter is it both too much and not enough. At least you know with the conspiracy theorists they'll go all the way and mean it. This letter is just mean and inaccurate.

teharper428
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teharper428 09/13/07 - 07:22 am
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Worried - And how about the

Worried - And how about the other side of the coin, what if Iraq is still a mess with U.S. troops there in 10 years? If that's the case you may be seeing it up close and personal since a draft was instituted in 2012.

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pofwe 09/13/07 - 07:28 am
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Gutless Greenbaum, spewing

Gutless Greenbaum, spewing his view, trying to tell others what to do, all the while without a clue. Hopefully no one will listen to you. Do-da!!

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timljohnson 09/13/07 - 07:28 am
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RIGHT ON GREENBAUM! The

RIGHT ON GREENBAUM! The Republicans have no strategy (they started the Iraq war but now want to blame everybody but themselves). The Democrats don't want to quit the war on terrorism - we just don't think Iraq is the center of it (this is an intelligence war more like the cold war).

Republicant
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Republicant 09/13/07 - 07:44 am
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There's an evil in this land

There's an evil in this land which expands across the continent
A man with no fans whose soul hosts a demon sponsorship
You offered your promise to be honest if elected to office
Obviously your honor is suspect, look at all the hostages!
In Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Damn!
Your job is to soothe, but the truth is you produce conflict
You're an unaccused convict, responsible for brainwashing
Innocence, sending them away to face certain death
Using graves as beds, growing size of blood shed
You're famous for knowing this fight is taking the lives of our countrymen
The news makes us all witness killings of innocent victims
Having to deal with revealed issues viewed on CNN
Lost women and children, the demise of family and friends
This is the cost of not being wise next time we elect a president
It's evident the leader of the free has no validity
It's scary to me, there's no guarantees we can believe anything
Admitting he has no concrete evidence for the weapons we seek
Heaven looks down on the devil who pedals thru the Middle East
Oil prices sky rocketing, meanwhile you're still pocketing
All of the profiting you hide brings problems to the economy
And if Congress thinks things are being handled properly
I challenge them to stop and see if we still manage a democracy
People seek to put a stop to these overbearing monopolies
No more money for the companies, no profit sharing shopping sprees
But obviously that's not going to halt any constant policies
We need to make the man behind the mask take an office leave
A vacancy so America can start to repair the mockery
From a deceptive defective president who caused a lot to bleed!

Republicant
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Republicant 09/13/07 - 07:44 am
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I found this in Chiefs diary!

I found this in Chiefs diary!

Republicant
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Republicant 09/13/07 - 07:47 am
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"In this post 9-11 world" I

"In this post 9-11 world"
I think it's time to retire this tired saying. File it next to "The information superhighway".

Republicant
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Republicant 09/13/07 - 07:55 am
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I know that the attention

I know that the attention span of most neocons is limited to sound bites from Hannity and Limbaugh but see if you can read through this to the end.

Bush-Bin Laden Symbiosis Reborn By Robert Parry Consortium News Saturday 08 September 2007

Just as Sylvester and Tweety Bird achieved lasting Hollywood fame from their comical cartoon chases, the less amusing duo of George W. Bush and Osama bin Laden continue to benefit each other by reviving their long-distance rivalry, one posturing against the other in a way that helps them both.

In a new video, al-Qaeda leader bin Laden again taunts Bush, the United States - and then the Democrats for not forcing an American withdrawal from Iraq, which should help guarantee that the Democrats won't dare press for a withdrawal from Iraq.

At a summit of Pacific Rim leaders in Sydney, Australia, President Bush then did his part, highlighting bin Laden's Iraq comments:

"I found it interested that on the tape Iraq was mentioned, which is a reminder that Iraq is part of the war against extremists. If al-Qaeda bothers to mention Iraq, it's because they want to achieve their objectives in Iraq, which is to drive us out."

Except that U.S. intelligence has long concluded that al-Qaeda really wants the opposite: to bog the United States down in a hopeless, bloody war in Iraq that has been a boon for recruiting young jihadists, raising money and protecting al-Qaeda's leadership holed up in base camps inside Pakistan.

Bin Laden continues to play the role of another cartoon character, Walt Disney's Brer Rabbit, who escaped one famously tight spot by begging not to be thrown into the briar patch when that was exactly where he wanted to go. [For more details on this Bush-bin Laden symbiosis, see Neck Deep: The Disastrous Presidency of George W. Bush.]

Cole Attack

At least since the attack on the USS Cole in October 2000, al-Qaeda's strategy has been to draw the United States militarily into the Middle East as a way both to enhance al-Qaeda's status in the Muslim world and to weaken the Americans by draining their resources and damaging their army.

However, the Clinton administration couldn't verify that al-Qaeda was behind the Cole attack until January 2001 and then turned over the evidence to the incoming Bush team, which didn't act because it had other priorities.

By summer 2001, U.S. intelligence was picking up chatter indicating that al-Qaeda was disappointed by the lack of a response to the Cole provocation but was confident that the next blow would force Washington's hand.

That next attack on Sept. 11, 2001, did compel an American military reaction, but al-Qaeda may have miscalculated as an effective U.S. counter-attack ousted al-Qaeda's Taliban allies in Afghanistan and cornered bin Laden and other top leaders at Tora Bora.

At that crucial point, however, Bush failed to dispatch sufficient U.S. troops to seal off bin Laden's escape routes, allowing many of al-Qaeda's top leaders to flee into the rugged tribal region of Pakistan.

To al-Qaeda's relief and amazement, Bush also began diverting key U.S. military resources away from Afghanistan toward Iraq, whose secular Sunni leader Saddam Hussein was an enemy of al-Qaeda's Sunni fundamentalists.

Bush's invasion of Iraq not only eliminated a key Sunni rival in Hussein but rallied thousands of angry Muslims to al-Qaeda's banner. Soon, al-Qaeda even had an affiliate in Iraq led by Jordanian terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

As al-Qaeda gained strength in the Islamic world, bin Laden came to see Bush as something of a strategic ally. When Bush found himself in a tight battle with Democratic Sen. John Kerry, bin Laden issued a videotape denouncing Bush on the Friday before Election 2004.

The tape had the predictable effect of giving Bush a last-minute boost in the polls, which CIA analysts concluded was precisely bin Laden's intent. Bin Laden wanted to keep Bush around as a foil for another four years. [See Neck Deep for details.]

Prolonged War

Also, contrary to Bush's repeated assertions that al-Qaeda wants U.S. troops to leave Iraq so it can establish a safe haven there, the terrorist group's internal messages, which have been intercepted by U.S. intelligence, reveal that al-Qaeda fears most the impact of a sudden American withdrawal.

A July 9, 2005, letter attributed to al-Qaeda's second-in-command Ayman al-Zawahiri warned that a rapid U.S. pullout could cause al-Qaeda's new recruits, who traveled to Iraq to wage war on the Americans, to simply give up the fight and go home.

Republicant
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Republicant 09/13/07 - 08:01 am
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more to come....

more to come....

Republicant
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Republicant 09/13/07 - 08:07 am
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That being said, chief is

That being said, chief is insane.
And a drug addict.

NotyourDadsBuick
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NotyourDadsBuick 09/13/07 - 08:11 am
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blah blah blah, Republicant.

blah blah blah, Republicant. You're another nut job just like Cain.

Daddyrabbit
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Daddyrabbit 09/13/07 - 08:22 am
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Greenbaum will say ANYTHING

Greenbaum will say ANYTHING to discredit his opposing party. But I guess the opposing party will do the same. Problem is, if they military is not allowed to finish it's job over there EVERYTHING SPENT AN EVERY LIFE IS WASTED! But, that what our vote scaraed politicians are good at. Look at Vietnam. When I left we were winning.

Daddyrabbit
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Daddyrabbit 09/13/07 - 08:23 am
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Please excuse my spelling,

Please excuse my spelling, sometimes my fingers don't want to hit the keys I tell them to when I get excited.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 09/13/07 - 08:26 am
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Republicant has to be a

Republicant has to be a Chronicle employee plant or an administrator, or it is Cains answer to Bizarro Cain. We should complain to have him banned for abusing the word limit. It is not fair and is discriminatory against a similar rebuttal. In any case his diatribe exposes his huge ego and mental incapacity. A true spin meister in the vein of Bill O'Reilly.

mojoinaugusta
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mojoinaugusta 09/13/07 - 08:27 am
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Republicant - how did you

Republicant - how did you post that?

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