Good consultant, bad adviser

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Karl Rove is more than the "witness to history" he called himself in his resignation announcement Monday.

He's every bit the architect of it that he's been called.

But while the longtime Bush family friend changed everything with his "strategery," the role of campaign consultant and White House adviser are nowhere near similar.

Rove was a brilliant consultant.

He was, by all appearances, a horrible adviser.

No one knows how much of the Bush administration's fecklessness has been a function of those around the president. Our own instincts tell us George W. Bush isn't the lackey critics depict; we seriously doubt he's been overly manipulated by either Rove or Vice President Dick Cheney.

But if Karl Rove is even a small part of the president's brain, the president has been poorly served.

Again, we don't know precisely everything that can be laid at Rove's feet. But we know he was in the Valerie Plame CIA leak case up to the top of his waders. We wonder how much he was involved in the disastrous Harriet Miers Supreme Court nomination, and the public relations nightmare surrounding Katrina. And Democrats - though beating a dead horse - are trying to find out the extent of Rove's participation in the U.S. attorneys firing.

The truth is, any Bush missteps pushed along by Rove have been greatly exaggerated by Democrats in Congress eager to bloody the administration as much as possible in advance of 2008 elections.

That's politics.

What bothers us is the policy.

What really rankles us about Karl Rove is how well he rounded up the conservative faithful come election time - then let conservative values twist in the wind under his friend, the president. Time and again, those conservatives who put Rove's boss in office were left without a president - on illegal immigration, on judicial nominees, on Social Security reform, on tax reform and, worst of all, on spending.

Rove may not have been the president, or even his brain, but if he didn't agree with what was going on, he knew where the portal was.

When the construction workers go astray, it's incumbent on the architect to speak up.

So, in essence, he built a fire among conservatives, then put it out. In the process, he damaged his party's long-term prospects for his friend's short-term gain.

You have to wonder about the wisdom of bringing your campaign consultant in to advise you once the ballots are counted.

Running a race and running a country are two different things, requiring two different skill sets.

They should probably involve two different people.

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JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 08/14/07 - 03:25 am
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Wait a minute. If anyone

Wait a minute. If anyone serves at the pleasure of the President it is
his chief of staff & chief political adviser. Until recently Karl
Rove was both. He gave up the chief of staff position awhile back. So,
why is The Chronicle making execuses for The President who allowed
himself to be ill served by his chief political adviser? Whose fault is
that? My instincts tell me that George W. Bush is a first rate flunky
who needed every handler he or his daddy's people could get their hands
on. Dr. Condoleezza Rice was brought in to tutor the disinterested
George W. Bush on basic world affairs. Curious George he wasn't. Bush
didn't know the difference between Kazakhstan and Kurgistan or the
difference between Sunni and Shiite. Rice, a Russia expert, no doubt
taught him about the former, but she knew little about the Middle East
or South Asia. President Bush didn't learn the difference between Sunni
and Shiite until the eve of the invasion of Iraq which he ordered. To
me, Bush's biggest failings come in the foreign policy arena. Karl Rove
had nothing to do with that. President Bush was poorly served by Dr.
Rice when she was his national security adviser, particularly with
regard to Iraq.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 08/14/07 - 05:12 am
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What a strange article. On

What a strange article. On more then one occasion you stated you didn't know what Rove did and then went on to indict him on several perceived misdeeds. Your opinion and instinct seem to be the total basis for your condemnations and you write as though that's enough. Well, the editorial page is also the opinion page and as far as articles go, this is sure fits.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 08/14/07 - 05:25 am
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Armchair quarterbacks always

Armchair quarterbacks always know the correct moves even though they are not there nor are even in the game.

Mrs Genevive Bait
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Mrs Genevive Bait 08/14/07 - 06:06 am
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Karl Rove is, to quote Fred

Karl Rove is, to quote Fred G. Sanford, a big dummy. Yes, yes, he is intelligent, but that doesn't mean he isn't a big dummy. From the very beginning of Bush's first term if you read about Rove he seemed too arrogant for his own good. Now look where he has led the president. He helped take one of the most popular presidents of all time and turn him into one of the least. No matter how much you support the president and his policies you have to admit that most people in the country do not. Call them crazy liberals if you want, but even the republican party is backing away from Bush because he's about to lead the Republicans into the outhouse. Rove must be held partly responsible for that.

Had he taken the responsible position of advising the president not to throw a large army onto the ground in a country like Iraq, where even neighbors can't get along, and instead pushed for arming all those shock and awe missiles with hydrogen bomb warheads we'd be a lot better off right now. He never had the courage of his convictions and because of that we now have a lot of dead soldiers and a war that is as unpopular as it is unwinnable. Thanks Karl, thanks for everything.

Mrs Genevive Bait
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Mrs Genevive Bait 08/14/07 - 06:07 am
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Oh, and hello Ms. Democratic

Oh, and hello Ms. Democratic Party President. You have Karl Rove to thank for your election.

Dedicated
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Dedicated 08/14/07 - 06:32 am
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Cain...You haven't got a

Cain...You haven't got a clue!

The_Last_Word
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The_Last_Word 08/14/07 - 06:33 am
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"But we know he was in the

"But we know he was in the Valerie Plame CIA leak case up to the top of his waders." There was NO leak - except by Richard Armitage. "We wonder how much he was involved in the disastrous Harriet Miers Supreme Court nomination," - yes, if he was involved with that, he should be indicted! "and the public relations nightmare surrounding Katrina." - The response to Katrina was as good as nay President could do - the main problem was the local offocials who did not prepare and played politics even after it hit. "trying to find out the extent of Rove's participation in the U.S. attorneys firing." - Utter nonsense - President Bush can fire whoever he wants for whatever reason he wants. This was a media/Democrat-driven story (as were all the others - save Miers) that was designed to create an issue against President Bush. The problem with the article is that is relies too much on the media propaganda and not enough on Rove's actual behavior (which, the writer insists they do not know). Karl Rove was a genius and was very effective - THAT is why the media and Democrats demonized him. The President did well on everything except social security reform, spending, and illegal immigration.

giveitsomethought
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giveitsomethought 08/14/07 - 08:09 am
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Augusta Chronicle Editorial

Augusta Chronicle Editorial Staff Tuesday, August 14, 2007; You not only print using hog wash for ink, you speak hog wash. please read before setting the print. PH yours was one for the books. I was surprised at your comment about the Editorial. Cain yours proof that you have been reading and have a good understanding of what is most likely the truth. TLW take the rose colored glasses off, clear your sinuses and smell the BS.

johnsmith
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johnsmith 08/14/07 - 09:03 am
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Cain, you can't even read?

Cain, you can't even read? The whole thrust of the editorial is that Bush was poorly served by Rove, and that Bush should have known better--that Bush's own mistakes as a president should have been balanced by a policy adviser looking out for good policy, not a political adviser looking at what would look good. In other words, Bush did a stupid thing, compounded by the other stupid thing, which was not having anyone in place to tell him that he was doing a stupid thing. Dang, Cain, you can't even bring yourself to say a conservative is right when he agrees with you...

sjgraci
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sjgraci 08/14/07 - 09:37 am
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Good riddance! America is

Good riddance! America is better off without him. In less than 18 months America will be rejoicing when we get rid of the rest of this failure of an administration. The. Worst. President. Ever.

Georgiais1
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Georgiais1 08/14/07 - 09:53 am
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Sigraci...Your statements are

Sigraci...Your statements are the the same as most Americans claimed when Bill Clinton left office. The worst president "ever", not to mention a disgrace.

Bizarro
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Bizarro 08/14/07 - 10:40 am
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I don't know where people get

I don't know where people get the impression Rove is supposed to be brilliant. Rove didn't graduate from college and he attended several. He was given an honorary degree from Falwell's University I believe. Rove has always been a snicky little [filtered word].

sjgraci
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sjgraci 08/14/07 - 10:54 am
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He is also a hawk who used

He is also a hawk who used student deferments to avoid going to Vietnam. A Chickenhawk.

TrulyBlessed
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TrulyBlessed 08/14/07 - 10:56 am
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So Rove reeled in the

So Rove reeled in the gullible conservatives to get his boy elected - twice. Fool me once, shame on you. Foole me twice . . .

charles yonce
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charles yonce 08/14/07 - 11:00 am
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bush is simply a buffoon

bush is simply a buffoon surrounded by retread criminals.his goofy dad had already fired rove once for his unethical procedures.41 told him not to hire rummy,look what happened.he knew cheney was an evil pos,who has done absolutely nothing to help his retarded son out.rove thinks sneaking out now will save him, i doubt it. 41 told jr not to go into iraq,but the failure from crawford was determined to show dad that he wasn't a loser,just because he was a lush until in his 40's. now look at boy wonder wrong again! still a loser! i don't think rove wants to see how this administration will be judged, it will only get worse as the truth comes out.rove spread lies to get this guy elected governor,it took the supreme court to give him the election when most of us know as did the networks did that gore won,then diebold and ken blackmon made sure he got ohio just as blackmon said he would.poor old blackmon got shafted as did katherine harris in fla. you help this criminal family and get lost fool! robert, clinton's ratings were in the high 60's when he left office.he is more popular than bush now and always will be.what is bush still in the 30's for years? what a disaster!

sjgraci
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sjgraci 08/14/07 - 11:08 am
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Nice try Robert50, but it

Nice try Robert50, but it just proves how delusional you are. Bill Clinton went out of office with a higher approval rating than Ronald Reagan at 67%. I'll bet you 100 bucks W does not even make it back half-way to 50% approval let alone "most". He'll be lucky to hit 40%. He will be regarded in history as worse and more damaging to the country than Nixon. A president that held a 90% approval rating and high world opinion squandered it. He now enjoys 27% approval ratings. What a sorry excuse for a leader. The. Worst. President. Ever.

johnsmith
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johnsmith 08/14/07 - 12:45 pm
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Wow, like, I'm so bummed

Wow, like, I'm so bummed about not being like popular anymore... Good night, sjgraci, you don't REALLY base your opinion of someone's policies and actions on how popular they are, do you? 'Cause if so, I have to ask: was Bush a great, wonderful, brilliant, Best. President. Ever. when his approval rating was at 90%? I have to say, I felt much the same about him them as I do now: he's a spineless weasel in almost every area of his responsibility. He sells out to the liberal nutcases time and time again (No Child Left Behind, Soc Sec, Immigration, Medicare D, etc., etc., etc.) in a desperate attempt to get Kennedy/Reid/Pelosi/Clinton/et al. to "like" him, meanwhile accomplishing nothing of the sort and abandoning those who elected him. The only arena in which he has had the right goals (albeit with some very poor execution, at times) is in the one area you all disagree with him on--the war on terror. If he had offered therapy and negotiations to UBL, I would think that you all would be celebrating the first Democrat-elected-as-a-Republican president, ever...

sjgraci
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sjgraci 08/14/07 - 02:57 pm
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Let's hear it for Lt

Let's hear it for Lt johnsmith commander of Augusta's 101st Fighting Chickenhawk Keyboard Commandos. A true coward who never wore his country's uniform yet has no qualms denegrating those that did. A true disciple of the lying Karl Rove. They are JOB APPROVAL RATINGS you lying idiot. Nearly all Americans were solidly behind this president after 9/11. They gave him the benefit of doubt and put politics aside, liberals, moderates, conservatives alike. Still, this president, who had less of a "popular" vote than Al Gore, under the direction of Karl Rove and Dick Cheney, took this country to the hard right with his flawed idealogical agenda. He and they were not solidly behind all Americans. They did everything for themselves and the Republican party and not America. They failed at their JOBS and that is why he will go down in history as The. Worst. President. Ever. Everyone from the left to just right of center knows this. History will know this and judge him far worse than Clinton who did govern from the center. Now you, a true "spineless weasel", have jumped ship and say he did not go far enough right. Pretty soon I'm sure you will be using another Rove trick and calling W a liberal

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 08/14/07 - 03:15 pm
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The reviews from major

The reviews from major newspapers give Rove a thumbs down. Seems The Chronicle is among them. But I can't let Karl Rove be used as a scapegoat for George W. Bush. It is time for The Chronicle and other newspapers to state what an unequivocal failure the Bush-Cheney administration has been. The responsibility for that lies with two men: Richard Bruce Cheney and George Walker Bush. If The Chronicle wants to argue that Bush has been ill-served by Cheney, I can't disagree, but I again ask, whose fault is that?

johnsmith
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johnsmith 08/14/07 - 03:48 pm
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sjgraci, you are what's wrong

sjgraci, you are what's wrong with online forums like this one. A) You have no idea what I have or have not done for my country, what uniform I have or have not worn, so you make up facts and present them as reality. B) A "job approval rating" is nothing more than how some percentage of respondents answered the question "How's (name) doing?" Bush is NOT a great president, but there have been TRULY great presidents with lousy job approval ratings, primarily because numskulls like you get to respond to the polls. C) Bush is not the first, and will not be the last president to be elected with a lower popular vote but higher electoral college votes. SO WHAT? He got a higher percentage of the vote (2000-47.9%; 2004-50.7%), BOTH times, than Clinton did (1992-43%;1996-49.2%)-just compare 1st term to 1st & 2nd to 2nd. D) "They did everything for themselves and the Republican party and not America." What a ridiculous statement, oozing with liberal "feeling" and not an iota of fact or evidence. Beneath comment. E) Domestically, Bush has been more liberal than Clinton. That's not a "Rove trick," that's fact, but then we've established that you're not comfortable with messy ol' facts...

johnsmith
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johnsmith 08/14/07 - 03:52 pm
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Cain, again, you can't READ?

Cain, again, you can't READ? This editorial does nothing but blame Bush for failing to choose better advisers, for creating the "echo chamber" you all have been howling about. I swear, if Bush were impeached, found guilty of war crimes, sentenced to die by firing squad, you liberal nutjobs would complain that we wasn't executed by the right caliber bullet. Your comments today show what thinking people have been saying about you all along--that your blind hatred of George W. Bush says more about you than it does about him, inasmuch as it has deprived you of the ability to think clearly or express yourselves rationally. It's too bad, because it's clear that a good education was, at one point, wasted on you...

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 08/14/07 - 04:47 pm
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The editorial, johnsmith, is

The editorial, johnsmith, is about KARL ROVE! It states that Rove did
not just witness history but MADE history. Karl Rove was an ARCHITECT
of history The Chronicle writes. Next the editorial says Rove was a
brilliant consult but a lousy adviser. Then The Chronicle discredits
the notion that Bush is an idiot & sock puppet for Rove &
Cheney. I say au contraire! Bush IS a firstclass idiot par excellence!
Junior needed every bit of coaching & handling his daddy could
muster for him. Does anyone seriously think that George W. Bush would
be POTUS if poppy wasn't there to prep the way for him? My favorite
bumper sticker is: YOU ELECTED HIM. YOU DESERVE HIM. Now that Rove is
leaving The Chronicle is trying to pin responsibility for the Valerie
Plame leak inside the White House on Rove not on Cheney where it
definitely belongs & possibly on Bush as well. The Chronicle
attempts to use Rove as Bush's scapegoat for every domestic policy
failure. I'm not having it! The buck stops at the top. The Chronicle
says the Rove did Bush a disservice by not leaving earlier. The
Chronicle never states that BUSH could have shown Rove the door at any
time. Is it Alberto Gonzales' fault that he stays as AG?

_kpc_
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_kpc_ 08/14/07 - 04:56 pm
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sjgraci, Mr Cain who you

sjgraci, Mr Cain who you usually praise fits your Chickenhawk definition perfectly. He got a deferment to keep from going to Vietnam. Why don't you condem him as well?

sjgraci
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sjgraci 08/14/07 - 05:00 pm
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js- In the past you have made

js- In the past you have made insinuations towards me and others of treason, anti-Americanism, and wishing harm upon the military and country. I resent that greatly and will not let it go unchallenged especially from those that like to talk tough but never served. I asked you what gives you that right what did you do to serve the country. In your replies to my responses you failed to give an answer as you did once again ("spineless weasel"). So, one more time, what branch of military did you serve in and what was your duty. Answer those simple questions and I will retract my previous statements. Until then you are a chickenhawk and a coward and I am through with you.

_kpc_
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_kpc_ 08/14/07 - 05:10 pm
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sjgraci....what gives

sjgraci....what gives johnsmith the right? The same thing that gives you the right to call people chickenhawks and cowards. It's a thing called Article 1 of the U.S. Constitution. Maybe you should look into it sometime. It's the same thing that gives JRHC the right to criticize our elected leaders or even present his opinions as if they are facts, without ever having served in the millitary. I served in the millitary, but even I know that the constitution does not only apply to those who served.

sjgraci
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sjgraci 08/14/07 - 05:10 pm
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Who Karl Rove? He is a

Who Karl Rove? He is a Chickenhawk. He likes to talk tough, advocate war, accuse others of anti-Americanism, treason, and being with the enemy but during his time to serve in the military and fight when he was a young hawk he chose not to and let others go in his place. The true definition of a Chickenhawk.

_kpc_
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_kpc_ 08/14/07 - 05:15 pm
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Actually a TRUE definition of

Actually a TRUE definition of Chickenhawk is "Any of various hawks that prey on or have the reputation of preying on chickens." A SLANG definition of Chickenhawk is "A person who favors military force or action to carry out a foreign policy but has never served in the military."

sjgraci
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sjgraci 08/14/07 - 05:25 pm
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Being a card carrying member

Being a card carrying member of the ACLU, I'm very familiar with the Constitution and First Amendment (which I'm sure you meant and not "Article One" which established the legislative branch of the government. Maybe you should actually read the Constitution sometime.) That clarified, he has the freedom of speech to make such assinine statements but never serving your country and leveling such charges on those that did make him a shameless, spineless weasel, coward of a Chickenhawk.

sjgraci
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sjgraci 08/14/07 - 05:40 pm
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No kpc, wrong again. The

No kpc, wrong again. The SLANG term of Chickenhawk is for gay older males that prey on younger males. Are you suggesting Karl Rove is a gay predator? The context of our definition is not "SLANG" but a political epithet and fits Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, Ted Nugent, Paul Wolfowitz, Bill O'Reilley and countless others, mostly on the right. I guess that is why you are so sensitive of the term. But lucky for you, you don't meet that definition (at least for the epithet) since you served your country in uniform and we all are greatful for it.

_kpc_
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_kpc_ 08/14/07 - 06:08 pm
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I stand corrected about the

I stand corrected about the article one part, but there are hundreds of dictionaries out there, and the one I quoted was word for word. I'm looking at it as we speak, so it seems that you too are wrong.

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